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The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Can't follow the arguement? well that explains a lot.

Let me spell it out for you so you can understand...

WE ARE SICK OF THESE THIEVES STEALING OUR MONEY WHILE LETTING EVERYTHING GO TO SH*T.

THE LAST 60 YEARS HAVE BROUGHT US TO OUR BREAKING POINT!! The tea party is the result.
Now do you understand? I'm sure you do, but you'd rather make fun of people that love their country and want to stop the goverment from stealing from future generations.




posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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I am going to go with a one liner here.
Hasn't this topic been debunked and moved to skunks works yet?



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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I notice when I ask you a direct question or make a direct point about the 'tea party' that you descend into madness, accusing me of being in collusion with various 'liberal' entities that I have never even began to offer alignment with.

Is it possible that you havent the ability to answer my very simple questions?



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Undertough

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

You libs really must resort to this kind of nonsense.


What exactly makes me a lib? Not being a teabagger?


What kind of argument is this? Everybody I know in the Tea Party sacrifices their free time away from their jobs to get involved. What are you doing? Playing golf like Obama? Oh wait you were at the SEIU counter protests right?


I do not know. It was your argument. You responded that the teabaggers had been absent for 60 years because they were busy with all those things. So the only logical conclusion to their current existence based on your argument is that they are no longer burdened with those things. I am not sure why you made that argument either. Glad we agree it made no sense.


And frankly, I am finding out that many people were observing what was happening, but it took a change agent like Obama to bring people to the point where we were not going to take it any longer. It just became so obvious that Obama represents Marxism and not We The People.
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So that list of reasons why the teabaggers were not around was a red herring then because you are not trying to tell me that had nothing to do with it, it was just Obama getting elected that pissed you all off?
That is kind of what I thought. So what is with that list?

I actually wanted to know where you have been for the past 60 years as well. You listed a bunch of reasons why you were absent. So being present now must mean those reasons went away. I am sorry neither of us can follow your argument. I wanted to.



Ok I'd love to know how you view your own political ideas. If not a liberal or Tea Partier then what? Independent? It's only liberals who use the deragatory term Tea Bagger, and yet you have the gall to say I am name-calling. Pot meet kettle.

And really I cannot speak for all Tea Partiers as to where they have been for the past 60 years. But I would have thought that you might appreciate that they were mostly working very hard to support their families. What is so difficult about that? It was the Socialists who were quietly going around doing their community organizing and looking for ways to change the system. And now they have come out of the woodwork like roaches.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Do you really think any members of the 'tea party' Caucus within the Republican party are doing anything to substantially cut spending?

If so, can you provide some examples of their attempts to substantially curtail spending?



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by sickofitall2012
reply to post by Undertough
 


Can't follow the arguement? well that explains a lot.


I followed the argument just fine. It does not make any sense.


Let me spell it out for you so you can understand...

WE ARE SICK OF THESE THIEVES STEALING OUR MONEY WHILE LETTING EVERYTHING GO TO SH*T.

THE LAST 60 YEARS HAVE BROUGHT US TO OUR BREAKING POINT!! The tea party is the result.
Now do you understand? I'm sure you do, but you'd rather make fun of people that love their country and want to stop the goverment from stealing from future generations.


Unfortunately that is not what Horus said. If it were, I would not have had that question to ask that I did. He did not say they had been growing angry for 60 years, he said they had been too busy. So they must not be that busy now. Your argument and his are not the same.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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The Tea Party might be the last hope for saving America. The country has been high-jacked by a radical group of progressives that have slowly changed what we are as a country. They have slowly killed capitalism until we are a socialist country and we can all see how well that's working.
If we keep spending it all falls apart, I just hope the tea Party can hold their ground and get real change.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


I notice when I ask you a direct question or make a direct point about the 'tea party' that you descend into madness, accusing me of being in collusion with various 'liberal' entities that I have never even began to offer alignment with.

Is it possible that you havent the ability to answer my very simple questions?





Descend into madness? Really? Define madness for me and then show how I have descended into it?

Ok so your'e not a liberal. Maybe you don't wish to identify with any "group" or political identity. However, you and others here use a lot of liberal talking points which are unmistakeable. I have answered all sorts of questions. I have observed "Progressives" over the years and they are unmistakeably ashamed to be American, are allergic to the Battle Hymn of the Republic, and cannot seem to find their heart during the National Anthem.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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race based. That's pretty funny. That's the hilarious garbage spewed out of DailyKos and Huffpo, the Soros machine in order to deface the Tea Party and render it useless. You got punked by the commies bud.

In fact, it's really a travesty the first Black President of the US turned out to be an anti-American, anti-Constitutionalist Marxist communist globalist One Worlder. Ok well they will be One Worlders because the NWO has such a stronghold now. You can bet I would vote for Allen West in a heartbeat. Too bad he's not running this time.
edit on 30-7-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Everything you've said here is f***ing insane and not based in reality. Seriously, do you ever take a step back and look at what you're saying?
Sounds like he is a good judge of character....You try stepping back and asking"Why is the President of the United States playing lapdog/suck up to an unstable billionaire foreign currency trader?


*facepalm* OH MY GOD...

WHERE is the evidence that Soros is some kind of supreme puppet master, hmm?? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE. You really don't have any except overly-exaggerated/manufactured spectres to compete with the real puppet masters. Soros is actually one of the few DECENT billionaires out there.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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It was the last 6 decades that caused it to form, DUH!!

You really believe that? Not that Clinton sold us out with NAFTA, housing bust and Bush didn't repeal anything to help us.


Social programs enacted during the Great Depression and the buildup and involvement in World War II during the F.D. Roosevelt and Truman presidencies in the 1930s and '40s caused the largest increase – a sixteenfold increase in the gross public debt from $16 billion in 1930 to $260 billion in 1950. When Roosevelt took office in 1933, the national debt was almost $20 billion; a sum equal to 20 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product (GDP). During its first term, the Roosevelt administration ran large annual deficits between 2 and 5 percent of GDP. By 1936, the national debt had increased to $33.7 billion or approximately 40 percent of GDP.[9] Gross debt relative to GDP rose to over 100% to pay for WWII.
]Wiki
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Undertough

Originally posted by sickofitall2012
reply to post by Undertough
 


Can't follow the arguement? well that explains a lot.


I followed the argument just fine. It does not make any sense.


Let me spell it out for you so you can understand...

WE ARE SICK OF THESE THIEVES STEALING OUR MONEY WHILE LETTING EVERYTHING GO TO SH*T.

THE LAST 60 YEARS HAVE BROUGHT US TO OUR BREAKING POINT!! The tea party is the result.
Now do you understand? I'm sure you do, but you'd rather make fun of people that love their country and want to stop the goverment from stealing from future generations.


Unfortunately that is not what Horus said. If it were, I would not have had that question to ask that I did. He did not say they had been growing angry for 60 years, he said they had been too busy. So they must not be that busy now. Your argument and his are not the same.



Yes, that is almost precisely the point I was making. That we were busy doing what NORMAL families do, working and taking care of our children, till the breaking point which was Obama and Pelosi and reid and all the other DSA change agents. Plus, George Soros is a relatively new player on the scene visually(that is we knew about Rockefeller and Rothschilds but now Soros has come out of hiding).



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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By no means is the whole plan perfect, but it was put forward by a freshman.
Democrats had the majority for 2 years, and Congress during the Bush years, why didn't they come up with a plan while they had the majority? Because they were too busy....
SPENDING.
budget.house.gov...



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by mugger
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It was the last 6 decades that caused it to form, DUH!!

You really believe that? Not that Clinton sold us out with NAFTA, housing bust and Bush didn't repeal anything to help us.


Social programs enacted during the Great Depression and the buildup and involvement in World War II during the F.D. Roosevelt and Truman presidencies in the 1930s and '40s caused the largest increase – a sixteenfold increase in the gross public debt from $16 billion in 1930 to $260 billion in 1950. When Roosevelt took office in 1933, the national debt was almost $20 billion; a sum equal to 20 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product (GDP). During its first term, the Roosevelt administration ran large annual deficits between 2 and 5 percent of GDP. By 1936, the national debt had increased to $33.7 billion or approximately 40 percent of GDP.[9] Gross debt relative to GDP rose to over 100% to pay for WWII.
]Wiki
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I'm confused, didn't those things happen during the last 6 decades?
I agree with you btw.
NAFTA, don't get me started, man what a crap idea.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Ok I'd love to know how you view your own political ideas. If not a liberal or Tea Partier then what? Independent? It's only liberals who use the deragatory term Tea Bagger, and yet you have the gall to say I am name-calling. Pot meet kettle.


I never said anything about name calling. You self identify as a teabagger. I am asking why you suggest I am a lib. Name calling never came into it.


And really I cannot speak for all Tea Partiers as to where they have been for the past 60 years.


Then why did you? If you hadn't done so in the first place, I would not have asked you to clarify it at all.


But I would have thought that you might appreciate that they were mostly working very hard to support their families.


Sure I can appreciate that but if that is the reason they did not exist then they can only now exist in the absence of that reason. Your argument makes no sense if you cannot follow it through with reality and logic.


What is so difficult about that? It was the Socialists who were quietly going around doing their community organizing and looking for ways to change the system. And now they have come out of the woodwork like roaches.


What is so difficult about that is to plot your data points into the real world. You say the only reason they did not exist is because they were too busy. Although they exist now and are still too busy? Then you go on to say you cannot really speak for any of them anyway.

Thank you so much for that little journey into madness.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by bootsnspurs33
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In 2008 (and since then) The REAL nazi party & it's members & supporters have been in power using gestapo tactics to attempt to silence dissent. There is nothing in the Tea Party that resembles the nazi party & much on the socialist left that does. The nazi's strongly believed that Gov. was the solution, so do the socialist liberal left. The nazi's believed strongly in Gov. run schools (the "public" school system) so as to control what the children were taught. Most on the socialist liberal left decry tax breaks or anything that aids parents using private schools while pouring billions@ a public school system that's among the worst.The nazi's did TOTAL gun control, The socialist liberals want to do the same thing here in America. The nazi's called anyone that spokeout aginst them unpatriotic and dangerous enimies, a common tactic of the socialist liberal left in America today. The nazi's wanted to control the media and did. Current bills before congress want to silence or controll talk radio(which is a PRIVATE corp. endeavor) and force radio stations to give time to liberal shows as well, even though they are so unpopular that w/o taxpayer funding thru fed. grants they would go off air. The list goes on & on & on. As a simple mater of historical fact it wasn't the nazi's that brought down the Weirmar "Republic" (it really wasn't a republic so much as true republics go) it was typical liberal ideas of tax,spend, print more money,tax spend,print more money.It caught up to them as it is us. There's alot of similarities as far as Gov.'s go between obama's administration and bush's. Massive gov.bailouts of private corp.'s, still at war, still no border control, still spending way too much, still taxing way too much. The only BIG difference is that the bad stuff bush did @ 60 mph this bozo is doing @ 6000 mph. Sorry skippy, you're the nazi, keep on goosestepping in line w/ the rest of the socialist.THAT is the fact's, they're there & we're NOT going to be silent about it any longer. Do try to brush up on your fact checking skills so you dont look like such a pre-programed left wing socialist fool. Have a nice day!



DO YOUR DAMN HOMEWORK



While the Nazis were an extremely complex mix of different policies, tactics, ideologies, and practices... THE VAST MAJORITY OF HISTORIANS RECOGNIZE THE NAZIS AS A TOTALITARIAN RIGHT-WING MOVEMENT.

In case you didn't know... the Nazis hunted down, imprisoned, killed off, and stripped the rights from Communists, Socialists, Anarchists, minorities, gays, leftists, and so on. They were militaristic and paid their respects to Capitalism and the church in tandem with them. They were highly exclusive in terms of race/ethnicity and silenced dissent in a way FAR more similar to RIGHT-WINGERS than left-wingers. The reality you so stupidly see fit to ignore is that THE LIBERAL LEFT HAS BEEN THE CHAMPION OF THE PEOPLE, OF CIVIL LIBERTIES, ENVIRONMENTALISM, FREE SPEECH, FREE ASSEMBLY, ANTI-GOVERNMENT, ANTI-CAPITALIST, ANTI-COMMUNIST, ANTI-RACIST, ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN, PRO-HUMAN RIGHTS, PRO-WORKERS RIGHTS, PRO-CHOICE, PRO-SCIENCE, EQUALITY, PEACE, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON... while the right-wing? All they can figure out how to do is RAIL AGAINST THE LEFT any damn chance they get... their ideology consists mostly of being anti-everything-the-left-is. Get a clue, buddy.

You can't spew your Orwellian 2-minutes hate doublespeak at left-wingers for being hippies/peaceniks and then turn around and call them totalitarian Nazis... it doesn't work that way, and intelligent people (usually liberals) realize this from day ONE.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Sort of Tea Party, but a repub. Pat Toomey in Pa.! more of an independent Conservative. he was my rep. for a few years and voluntarily term limited himself. He ran for Senate a few years ago against Specter but lost by very little.(dems voted for Specter).
I'll take his word over most for what he has done and stuck to his words. He also has legislated the cap, and balance act which Harry Reid dumped.
Whille all are not tea Party, many more new Repubs have the same philosophy.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by sickofitall2012
reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


By no means is the whole plan perfect, but it was put forward by a freshman.
Democrats had the majority for 2 years, and Congress during the Bush years, why didn't they come up with a plan while they had the majority? Because they were too busy....
SPENDING.
budget.house.gov...


I'm not sure why you offer the Democrats as the only counterpoint to the 'tea party', as if the only people critical of the Republicans are Democrats?

My question was "If so, can you provide some examples of their attempts to substantially curtail spending?", and while I appreciate your generic link to a big ol PDF, I was wondering if you could actually post some specific examples, not just a link to a budget proposal.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Yes, that is almost precisely the point I was making.


You might want to look up some of the words you use.

"almost precisely?"

Is that like "kid of accurate" or "sort of true?"


That we were busy doing what NORMAL families do, working and taking care of our children, till the breaking point which was Obama and Pelosi and reid and all the other DSA change agents.


So after the breaking point, they are no longer doing those things? You cannot use one as the excuse for their lack of activity and then turn around and say that reason is still in place, it just does not matter anymore. That is a complete logical fail.


Plus, George Soros is a relatively new player on the scene visually(that is we knew about Rockefeller and Rothschilds but now Soros has come out of hiding).


Ah, Soros has everything to do with what you and I are discussing.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Good point. MEe asking you to prove your statements probably makes me a liberal, ACORN, MoveOn, comminist hippie nazi muslim america hater. Such insightful discourse.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Have any really addressed the issue of curtailing spending besides the Tea Party people,( a few Repubs also)?
Time for the career politicians to go. All of them!



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