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The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Republic is a generic term indicating a non monarch government that is ruled, in theory, by the people.
Your post supports my view.




posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Anyone who claims that corporations and evil Nazis are driving the T Party just don't know what the freak they are talking about. Let your eyes do the research for you and not the MSM.




posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Anyone who claims that corporations and evil Nazis are driving the T Party just don't know what the freak they are talking about. Let your eyes do the research for you and not the MSM.



"Evil Nazis'? I think that might be a straw man.

But your video is two years old. That 'tea party' is FAR removed from the 'tea party caucus' made up entirely of Republicans, many of them social conservatives like Michelle Bachman who seek to use Federal authority to impose their own religious doctrine on America.

Your 'teaparty' has long since been co-opted, which is why all your examples are woefully dated.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Sunlionspirit wrote, "In this situation the state, the government really HAS to spend lots of money to leave the machine running !!!

YOU HAVE TO SPEND LOTS OF $$$$ TO LET THE ECONOMIC MACHINE RUN !!!!

It's like a car, if you don't put lots of oil into it when it is loosing lots of it, then yes it will crash !
What the democrats want is not the taxing of the normal people that work hard, not the middle class in great despair, no, they want to let the rich and famous pay THEIR DAMNED part in society and stop the Bush tax cuts, the big present they got from that puppet !! Once you got such a big present, you do not like it to be taken away, so yes, it is not a new taxation, it is the totally NORMAL taxation you normally have to pay in society but didn't have to pay any longer because of those damned stupid neo-cons and politicians who voted for themselves that big present !!!
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Yep, I know that when I'm in debt, the first thing I do is go out and get 30 more credit cards and take out hundreds of loans then I just sit back and watch my money problems all disappear.
Really?
All you guys that call the Tea party names are the same people that cry racism when some one disagrees with your dictator. I think Websters actually defines hypocrisy as " The Left"
Progressives, ha! That is an oxymoron. I don't know why you guys won't go live in Europe, it's everything you guys want in a country, free everything with little work, Utopia right?
This country was not founded on those principles and was successful until the so called progressives got their foot into the White House, ever since then we are being destroyed from within. They will stop at nothing until we are as poor as Somalia. Communists always said they would destroy us from within, little by little, well, I guess their plan is almost complete. I bet obama is laughing all the way to the bank.
I wasn't a member of the Tea Party, but after reading some of these posts, I'm joining right now.
God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Republic is a generic term indicating a non monarch government that is ruled, in theory, by the people.
Your post supports my view.


thisnation.com...

Writing of the merits of a republican or representative form of government, James Madison observed that one of the most important differences between a democracy and a republic is "the delegation of the government [in a republic] to a small number of citizens elected by the rest." The primary effect of such a scheme, Madison continued, was to:



. . . refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the same purpose (Federalist No. 10).



Later, Madison elaborated on the importance of "refining and enlarging the public views" through a scheme of representation
There are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice and truth can regain their authority over the public mind(Federalist No. 63).

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In the strictest sense of the word, the system of government established by the Constitution was never intended to be a "democracy." This is evident not only in the wording of the Pledge of Allegiance but in the Constitution itself which declares that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Article IV, Section 4). Moreover, the scheme of representation and the various mechanisms for selecting representatives established by the Constitution were clearly intended to produce a republic, not a democracy.


What has happened over the years is that the Socialists who want "pure democrcacy" or "mob rule" as evident by the Wisconsin Union protests (which were violent and destructive and caused millions of dollars of damage by the way) have made their way into the legislature and even the Presidency, while the Socialist educators have brainwashed millions of impressionable students to believe that Socialism is the way.
Democracy is a term thrown around a lot by Socialists. They are using both mob rule and the legislature to get what they want, and they are mad that Tea Partiers want to stick with the Freedoms of our Founding Fathers.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Tea Partiers want to stick with the Freedoms of our Founding Fathers.


And where were these Tea Partiers for the past, say, 6 decades?



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Anyone who claims that corporations and evil Nazis are driving the T Party just don't know what the freak they are talking about. Let your eyes do the research for you and not the MSM.



"Evil Nazis'? I think that might be a straw man.

But your video is two years old. That 'tea party' is FAR removed from the 'tea party caucus' made up entirely of Republicans, many of them social conservatives like Michelle Bachman who seek to use Federal authority to impose their own religious doctrine on America.

Your 'teaparty' has long since been co-opted, which is why all your examples are woefully dated.



Sorry, you are just mad that the Tea Parties have begun getting really active politically. You and the lefty libs are so angry that we caught on. And now posters here are trying to say that getting involved politically is undemocratic? It is both natural to the plan of our Founding Fathers and to any democratic process that has the checks and balances of power between the govt and the people and between different branches of govt. Speaking out is Free Speech, and we used our right to Assembly as well. It's always been peaceable, unlike the radicals of the 60's and even the Union/labor protests in Wisconsin.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Tea Partiers want to stick with the Freedoms of our Founding Fathers.


And where were these Tea Partiers for the past, say, 6 decades?



Working two jobs to make ends meet and pay taxes to the Federal Mafia! Taking our kids to soccer games, voting, grocery shopping for our families, cleaning our homes, mowing our lawns, babysitting the grandkids, you know that kind of thing. Oh yes, and once a year watching fireworks at the nearby park.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Tea Partiers want to stick with the Freedoms of our Founding Fathers.


And where were these Tea Partiers for the past, say, 6 decades?

It was the last 6 decades that caused it to form, DUH!!
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE CHARLATANS STEALING FROM US WHILE THEY LET EVERYTHING GO TO SH*T!!!!!!.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Working two jobs to make ends meet and pay taxes to the Federal Mafia! Taking our kids to soccer games, voting, grocery shopping for our families, cleaning our homes, mowing our lawns, babysitting the grandkids, you know that kind of thing. Oh yes, and once a year watching fireworks at the nearby park.


So you guys stopped doing all of those things so you could become the TEAbaggers or those make really lousy excuses for waiting so long to do it?



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Undertough

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Working two jobs to make ends meet and pay taxes to the Federal Mafia! Taking our kids to soccer games, voting, grocery shopping for our families, cleaning our homes, mowing our lawns, babysitting the grandkids, you know that kind of thing. Oh yes, and once a year watching fireworks at the nearby park.


So you guys stopped doing all of those things so you could become the TEAbaggers or those make really lousy excuses for waiting so long to do it?


You libs really must resort to this kind of nonsense. What kind of argument is this? Everybody I know in the Tea Party sacrifices their free time away from their jobs to get involved. What are you doing? Playing golf like Obama? Oh wait you were at the SEIU counter protests right?


And frankly, I am finding out that many people were observing what was happening, but it took a change agent like Obama to bring people to the point where we were not going to take it any longer. It just became so obvious that Obama represents Marxism and not We The People.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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It's humorous to me how your entire response is nothing but a series of straw men, claims i never made, sentiments i've not expressed, etc.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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This party-that party...the only party that should matter is the one that will be held in celebration of fact that there is no longer ANY party. I guess I'm too much a futurist with my head in the ethereal clouds of space time to really relate to 21st Century politcs, in my brain stuck in the future-there are no governments, no parties, no reason for them. We're in harmony.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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.... We are Constitutionalists all the way.It's mostly liberals and Socialists who absolutely hate the Constitution and want to get rid of it..... Tea Party is for the Constitution and the way our Founding Fathers set things up.
Even the name Tea Party comes from the original Boston Tea Party who dumped the Tea into the bay as a protest against excessive taxation by the British King. Today, our taxes far outdo any taxes the King dreamed of.


Seems some things NEVER CHANGE:

The Bank of England was Established in 1694.

...By the mid-1700s, the British Empire was approaching its height of power around the world. Britain had fought four wars in Europe since the creation of its privately-owned central bank, the Bank of England. The cost had had been high. To finance these wars, the British Parliament, rather than issuing its own debt-free currency, had borrowed heavily from the Bank.

By thie mid-1700s, the government's debt was £140,000,000 - a staggering sum for those days. Consequently, the British government embarked on a program of trying to raise revenues from its American colonies in order to make the interest payments to the Bank.

...There was a severe shortage of precious metal coins to trade for goods, so the early colonists were increasingly forced to experiment..... Tobacco was used as money in some colonies with success....

...In 1720 every colonial Royal Governor was instructed to curtail the issue of colonial money. This was largely unsuccessful. In 1742 the British Resumption Act required that taxes and other debts be paid in gold. This caused a depression in the colonies - property was seized on foreclosure by the rich for one-tenth its value....

.... In 1757, Franklin was sent to London to fight for colonial paper money..... During this period, ignoring Parliament, more American colonies began to issue their own money.

Called Colonial Scrip, the endeavor was successful, with notable exceptions....

Officials of the Bank of England asked Franklin how he would account for the new-found prosperity of the colonies. Without hesitation he replied:

"That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and tndustry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers…

In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one."

This was just common sense to Franklin, but you can imagine the impact it had at the Bank of England. America had learned the secret of money, and that genie had to be returned to its bottle as soon as possible.

As a result, Parliament hurriedly passed the Currency Act of 1764. This prohibited colonial officials from issuing their own money and ordered them to pay all future taxes in gold or silver coins
.... webskeptic.wikidot.com...



Seems the Bank of England keeps trying to put the Genie back in its bottle AND Darned if it doesn't keep escaping.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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It's humorous to me how your entire response is nothing but a series of straw men, claims i never made, sentiments i've not expressed, etc.




And you somehow think that your post is the only one that matters? I've watched and observed at this forum, and yes people have used the term Nazi in relation to the Tea Parties, as well as the term "fascist". I've seen all sorts of nonsense, so much fabricated cr&^%%$$$$# to be honest. And all from people who most likely have never been to a rally but listen only to Pelosi and Arianna Huffpo the Soros shill.

You see I also get email from Media Matters, and I know the balogna sandwiches that come from them. I know what the ACLU does too. I've had email from MoveOn and know what their agenda is.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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gain, you are just hurling unfounded accusations at me, and calling me all sorts of names.

How about trying to stay on topic? OR at least PROVE your claims



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

You libs really must resort to this kind of nonsense.


What exactly makes me a lib? Not being a teabagger?


What kind of argument is this? Everybody I know in the Tea Party sacrifices their free time away from their jobs to get involved. What are you doing? Playing golf like Obama? Oh wait you were at the SEIU counter protests right?


I do not know. It was your argument. You responded that the teabaggers had been absent for 60 years because they were busy with all those things. So the only logical conclusion to their current existence based on your argument is that they are no longer burdened with those things. I am not sure why you made that argument either. Glad we agree it made no sense.


And frankly, I am finding out that many people were observing what was happening, but it took a change agent like Obama to bring people to the point where we were not going to take it any longer. It just became so obvious that Obama represents Marxism and not We The People.
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So that list of reasons why the teabaggers were not around was a red herring then because you are not trying to tell me that had nothing to do with it, it was just Obama getting elected that pissed you all off?
That is kind of what I thought. So what is with that list?

I actually wanted to know where you have been for the past 60 years as well. You listed a bunch of reasons why you were absent. So being present now must mean those reasons went away. I am sorry neither of us can follow your argument. I wanted to.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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gain, you are just hurling unfounded accusations at me, and calling me all sorts of names.

How about trying to stay on topic? OR at least PROVE your claims



Oh wait, what name did I call you???? A lib is that it? Maybe you are not "liberal". If you are a liberal then why do you view it as name calling? I thought the topic was TEA PARTIES!!! lol or did I miss something?

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus




Oh wait, what name did I call you???? A lib is that it?


Well, that, which is unfounded, along with member of the ACLU and MoveOn, the communist party, etc.


If you are a liberal then why do you view it as name calling?


Um, precisely BECAUSE i'm not a liberal. If i WAS a 'liberal', then i wouldnt exactly consider it an epithet, would i?


Aren't you the one using Tea Bagging as a derogatory name?


Nope. I'm the one who asked you a very direct question a few posts back and you chose to get nazi tourettes in response.




You see I also get email from Media Matters, and I know the balogna sandwiches that come from them. I know what the ACLU does too. I've had email from MoveOn and know what their agenda



did I miss something?


Yes.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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If you could ever pull your head out of knee-jerk partisanship, you'd realize that thinking the Tea Party has been hijacked and that the Tea Party caucus in the House are either idiots or traitors doesn't automatically mean that anyone holds Pelosi, the Dems, or Huffington in high regard. Both parties have screwed up, ignored the country's needs, etc...but what did you expect? They mostly all come from the same class, the same colleges, the sam fraternities and sororities.

They represent the same people, and those people aren't us.

Capitalism as currently practiced in the US is a major failure and needs overhaul.

Saying that doesn'r make me a commie or a socialist, it makes me a realist.

Calling me either a commie or a soc makes you just abysmally ignorant and unwilling to face realities.



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