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Obama Following In Hitler's Footsteps--also a quick history lesson at sheeple speed.

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posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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I thought Obama was the anti-christ? Will you people make up your minds?




posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
 


I'm sorry to point this out, but since you are the third person this week, touting a "conservative" viewpoint, that I have had to explain the concept of the ad hominem fallacy to, I am forced to conclude that the same horrible genetic defect that results in both conservativism and a taste for bottled barbeque sauce also lends itself to an individual not being able to understand this term.


An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.


The fact that World Net Daily is a far-right propaganda deposit that has stated its goal to be the spread of ignorance among its readers and hatred against all people to the left of Pinochet is, actually, relevant when we're talking about an article that compares the current US president to Adolf #ing Hitler.

There really are no points to discuss, that's the summation of the article, "Obama = Hitler," promulgated by a known propaganda outlet.

Sorry if that burns your butt-hairs, but the article has no inherent credibility, and that is only reinforced by the site promoting it.



posted on Jul, 30 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
 


I'm sorry to point this out, but since you are the third person this week, touting a "conservative" viewpoint, that I have had to explain the concept of the ad hominem fallacy to, I am forced to conclude that the same horrible genetic defect that results in both conservativism and a taste for bottled barbeque sauce also lends itself to an individual not being able to understand this term.


Personal attack fallacy.. Nice one.



The fact that World Net Daily is a far-right propaganda deposit that has stated its goal to be the spread of ignorance among its readers and hatred against all people to the left of Pinochet


Please provide proof


There really are no points to discuss, that's the summation of the article, "Obama = Hitler," promulgated by a known propaganda outlet.


I am sure the author made some points to back up his view. Let's discuss those, instead of a summarization, which leads to knee-jerk responses.


Sorry if that burns your butt-hairs, but the article has no inherent credibility, and that is only reinforced by the site promoting it.


Perhaps you should educate yourself.

*Ad Hominem Fallacies
Attacking/rejecting an argument by attacking the source of the argument (usually a person) rather than
the argument itself.

*Bias Ad Hominem
Attacking/rejecting an argument on the grounds that the arguer has a special interest in the question.

It is also known as a genetic fallacy. The genetic fallacy is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone's origin rather than its current meaning or context.




But let's knee-jerk and insult people instead of denying ignorance, because we get more stars that way. Yes?
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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as far comparing to HITLER, NO...keywords are ------------FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF-----

as the article spells out similarities, also the main point I was bringing are the historical facts and parallels mentioned in the article. many see WND and automatically use bias to conditionally respond based upon previous beliefs.

the portion that interested me, and the juice in the article are in reference to the American historical points. Articles of Confederation was the foundation for america, and how that was eroded quickly by the HYDRA (banksters/money changers/monarchs,etc). The forces behind England with which the patriots fought against, those that funded the latter NAZI regime, and those who have infested the US govt, and control Obama are the same entity..

It is hard to keep an open mind these days with all the internal residual flouride accumulation



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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any thing in this paragraph of the article you disagree with?

So if you're wondering how Obama and his Marxist cronies have been able to violate the Constitution as though it didn't exist, the answer is that they are merely taking advantage of the decay of democracy in the U.S. that was already present when they came to power. While Americans have been busy focusing on sports, reality TV, eating out three nights a week and trying to pay their mortgages, the fascistic socialists in Washington have been quietly working to establish a dictatorship based on the ruins of our democracy (which actually began as a republic).

Or, anything in this paragraph(s) you find inaccurate?

Under the Articles of Confederation, the central government of America was very weak – which was a good thing. It was true then, and it's true now: You can have a strong government and a weak people, or a strong people and a weak government – but you cannot have both. Today, we have a draconian, out-of-control government and a very weak people.
Arguably, democracy in this country started to break down in 1787 when the Constitution created a strong federal government. It got worse – much worse – under the fascist policies of Woodrow Wilson's reign from 1912 to 1920. Then, beginning in 1932, FDR's failed socialist policies took away even more individual freedom from American citizens. And the final disintegration of true democracy in the U.S. was catalyzed by the left-wing revolutionaries of the '60s

The upstart Nazi Party (which was the commonly used name for the National Socialist German Workers' Party … repeat, Socialist) staged a slobbering love affair between Hitler and the German people. (Sound familiar?) When Hitler spoke for the first time as chancellor, it was said that "he was greeted with an outpouring of worshipful adulation unlike anything ever seen before in Germany." (Sound familiar?)


I found this to be reeeeeaaaaaally idiotic, NOT so much actually:

Our focus should be on stopping Barack Obama and his Marxist allies in Washington from establishing a communist dictatorship – politely referred to by conservative media commentators as an "imperial presidency." But regardless of what one calls it, the important thing to understand is that under a dictatorship, everything else becomes irrelevant – including the debt-ceiling "crisis" that political junkies are spending so much time fretting about

.....well maybe I should ask you what specifically you found idiotic?
or did you even read the article?

Personally I find myself disagreeing with many articles on WND but that doesn't lead to my foolishly and blindly posting blanket statements from a state of ignorance and bias in failing to consider that many different peoples' thoughts are posted on WND. that would be a display of PRE-JUDGING, DISCRIMINATING, and perhaps mini-trolling



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Jobs you say


So there are no jobs at TSA?
There are no jobs available with the govt? really?
There are no govt contract jobs in Afghanistan or Iraq? boy I should tell my brother who is in afghan right now

there are no jobs?? man, i sure thought all those guys/gals in the military had jobs


see, just like Hitler who created many jobs in Govt, whether military or otherwise, there are none under Obama??

Flouride accumulates in the body, therefore I have been expecting responses such as yours..



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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brilliant


the National Socialists weren't socialist...That is incredible and has shown the effectiveness of changing the definition of words (in sheeples minds)



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Could you point out where I stated Obama is Hitler?

Or did I state, as did the article, FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS..

btw, glue is for adhesion not sniffing, crayons are for coloring not eating, and possessing a mind which allows one to jump to conclusions based on bias and falsely thinking you are one who has a high IQ, thats american sheepleness at its best.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by rebeldog
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Or, anything in this paragraph(s) you find inaccurate?

Under the Articles of Confederation, the central government of America was very weak – which was a good thing. It was true then, and it's true now: You can have a strong government and a weak people, or a strong people and a weak government – but you cannot have both. Today, we have a draconian, out-of-control government and a very weak people.
Arguably, democracy in this country started to break down in 1787 when the Constitution created a strong federal government. It got worse – much worse – under the fascist policies of Woodrow Wilson's reign from 1912 to 1920. Then, beginning in 1932, FDR's failed socialist policies took away even more individual freedom from American citizens. And the final disintegration of true democracy in the U.S. was catalyzed by the left-wing revolutionaries of the '60s



Well certain powers did use the power of the FG toward certain uses after the constitution and it was easier to do than under the AoC.

One method was to get the states addicted to federal money. And look what happened to some persons that stood up to this thing and said that states needed to cut it off themselves. Even those states that wanted to use Fed money in other areas that they felt were more important than what the fed felt was a good use of same. They were told if they didnt use it the way the fed said then they would get zero. Federal bully madness.

One area where freedom and states rights are in question is where the fed dumps money into state and local law inforcement even after the locals had vote tax increases down! I have a copy of a news artical clear back to the late 60s were the question was being asked then if federal money into local law inforcment wouldnt have the effect of seperating the people from there local law inforement servants by buying their loyalty.

However a federal government is a logical conclusion. Whats at question however as Madison and Hamilton both looked at in their writings, Federalist Papers, is the fact that good men with qualifications and understanding of the things involved, taxes, military, trade ect must be at the helm.....and here is the loophole. We have have been sold a string of many unqualifed men at presedent and legislature over the decades. Men that didnt really know much about taxes or business, international trade and much more that were just duped into thinking they were the movers and shakers around here. Not to mention men legislating for profit. Some of these guys even....hay, just knowing that they will be sort of a movie star on the TV now and again and given sound bites so they can hear their own verbal flatulence, not to mention kick backs and favors, some with real pretensions of a great mind......they abound......and we see what Hamilton, Madison and others had real fear of..... that bad men, corrupt men, men for hire, vainglory and power would screw the thing up. And so we have what we have today a legislature of pie cutters sent to washington to grapple for the scraps at Longshanks table rather than men jealous for the rights of the people and the practical maintenace of the business of the republic. Ideologues of entitlement, bloated government and lovers of taxation rather than men possessed of the necessary wit and compass to preserve the republic from the web men will weave for her.

(off soap box now)
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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In this thread:

Someone who doesn't know much about Hitler's rise to power.

But he likes to say his name.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW HE ROSE TO POWER. IT IS ABOUT GOVERNMENTS LEADING COUNTRIES FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL GAIN. HITLER WANTED TO RULE THE WORLD. OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO BE AND REMAIN WEALTHY.

BOTH INSTANCES ARE NOT ACTING ON BEHALF OF THEIR PEOPLE. THEY ARE USING THEIR PEOPLE AS A TOOL TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. BOTH ARE DISGUSTING.

JOIN YOUR COMPATRIOTS AND STAND TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT LEADING OUR ONCE GREAT NATION.

TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK AND WE CAN BEGIN REBUILDING OUR GREAT NATION BY REINSTATING PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR PEOPLE, WHO DON'T REQUIRE AN EXORBITANT INCOME TO "WORK FOR THE PEOPLE". PERIOD.

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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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You guys are going to eat me up alive but I personally believe that even though he was nuts, and Hitler was a great man to his country.

He rebuilt Germany from the mess that is was. Granted, and it was also later destroyed because of him.

The point that I am trying to make is I don't feel that Obama deserves to be compared Hitler. At least not yet.

Like I said, I I know that Hitler turned out to be a monster but at first he was a hero. At least to his people anyway.

Obama hasn't done anything for our country.

Also, why I don't blame his administration for this mess either. This mess that we are in was cause by both the Bush and the Obama admiration. Of course more Bush than Obama is at fault all the same, but both should take the blame instead of pointing fingers at each other.

Just my $0.02



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Of course our government wants to remain wealthy.
You do realize that a poor government and country is how Hitler rose to power, don't you?



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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I guess I could play devil's advocate. First we have Obama starting a Tea Party of his own in the Democratic Party. He called that Party the New Party.For those that don't know that was 1996. Yes the guy who came out of no where was voted in office the first time way back then. He slowly made his way to the Presidency where his opposition is a made up oppostion while in the White House modeling the very same style of party he created years ago. Now that he is in power his center policies are not in the center of left and right. His policies are in the middle of the right and tea party his made up oppostion.

So just like Hitler who used the left to get in power and then made deals with the center and right to gain complete control as dictator only to turn and arrest the left and communist parties and put them in prison.

It is funny when a Democratic President is more right then the hero of the right Ronald Reagan. Reagan did raise taxes. Reagan also was a Union President of the Screen Actors Guild. He was brought befor Congress and questioned on ties to Communism. The FBI investigated him and later used him as a informant.
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posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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TO NOT ACT, IS TO ACCEPT.

SO FOR THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE OK WITH THE CURRENT STANDING OF OUR COUNTRY, GO BACK TO SLEEP.

BUT FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FOR OURSELVES, TO DEMAND CHANGE FOR THE PEOPLE'S INTERESTS, STAND UP. ACTIONS, NOT WORDS, CAUSE CHANGE.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO OR WHICH PRESIDENT, ETC IS TO BLAME. THE POINT IS, OUR GOVERNMENT IS CONTINUING TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS, WHILE OUR OWN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING. SEEMS UN-AMERICAN TO ME. IT'S SHAMEFUL AND I WILL NOT BE QUIET BECAUSE I DO NOT ACCEPT OUR GOVERNMENT'S HORRIBLE ACTIONS AND POOR DECISIONS, WHETHER PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE.

OUR FOREFATHERS DIED FOR OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS, WHY AREN'T WE WILLING TO DO THE SAME??? IS IT NOT WORTH IT? I THINK IT IS.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Here is why I will not side with someone so extreme.

Do you honestly believe a person who picks violence to get their way is a better choice to lead this country?

I think we already have this. And I think someone who does it better is going to do it a lot worse if they succeed.



posted on Jul, 31 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Tnewguy
You guys are going to eat me up alive but I personally believe that even though he was nuts, and Hitler was a great man to his country.



Yea thats not the sort of thing you say even if you are being sarcastic. Some will sware you ment it and never let you forget about it.




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