Tea Party the cause of debt default.

reply to post by buster2010

Very good points and i agree with them all.
But i think the fact that the Tea Party has elements of the ordinary people has got them befuddled.
It kinda resets the game and they don't like it.

Originally posted by Habit4ming
What a joke! Who is at fault for our current economic woes is Congress! Starting with the Traitors who allowed the FED to come into existence over Christmas holiday 1913. And the Congress who came back from Christmas vacation in 1914 and didn't repeal the Act. Actually, there probably aren't 50 decent politicians in all of DC, and that's being generous! And that's also the problem. Fifty decent politicians who actually work for the people, who actually will not betray their oath to follow the Constitution just is not enough to pass or repeal legislation. There have been other decent politicians over the years--McFadden comes to mind!
Listen closely to Ron Paul here--he enlightens us all about this current "scam":
www.youtube.com...

There is NO left and right! They only differ on how they want to spend the taxpayer's money!

This short read by Charlie Reese says alot (545 People):
glass-still-half-full.blogspot.com...

I agree with all that you say.
But there has never been as strong a movement as the Tea Party before.
And their abillity to control it or lack of.
And i think Ron Paul scares them to death.
Look how condescending they are to him.
Even fox makes him out to be a quack.

Originally posted by shtf2012
I have been trying to think objectively about this.
Thinking of the debt crisis in this way is the only way it makes sense.
What do you think?

If you wish to think objectively about the situation you would first have to realize that the United States of American and the Treasury is not in threat of "default". Monthly tax receipts far exceed monthly security and interest payments in regards to debt holders.

This isn't to say that it causes the credit worthiness and confidence in the United States of America won't take a hit. But, again, if you want to look at it objectively...First, rid the suggestive and leading title. Second, have all the facts and realize that the "default" angle is a lie. It is used to make people think you either have to take more debt on or default.

To the OP, I think you are right. It is chicanery.

To the rest of the incorporated states of america, the parties don't really exist. Our government is run by a bunch of greedy globalist/corporatist/capitalist f#*k-tards whose only goal is to make as much money off the failure of this country as possible.

By even claiming a political "side" you give into their guise and follow your leaders to ruin.

We have to turn our backs on this poorly scripted soap opera.

They will never fix anything!!! Whichever "side" wins, we the people lose.

We deserve every jab we get from outsiders until something is actually done about all of this.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Yes the post title is misleading but an attention grabber.
I have no doubt most of this is a scam.
I mean social security is a fund of it's own
To even say it's in trouble financially,is to admit fraud.

I am a member of my local tea party caucus. Virtually everything I have read or heard about the tea party is largely incorrect. The Tea Party, whether we know it or not, is more closely in tune with the Constitution party than with the Republicans. The Tea Party, at least my caucus, is all about freedom. Individual freedoms protected by the Constitution. Freedoms which continue to be eroded on an almost daily basis by this and past Congresses. I believe the Founding Fathers got it right. I don't believe in subverting the Constitution to make it fit with the power grabs of Congress and the Presidents. Yes, Presidents! Too many people want to put the blame on Bush or Obama. Wake up, people! Congress is the real problem

reply to post by Rockdisjoint

The U.S govt will not default, I don't care what anyone says. Just look at the people who will benefit if the debt is payed off. If the U.S does default though, that should put to rest the idea that the U.S is some sort of corporate/banker run state and other nonsense like that.

First as long as there is more tax revenue coming in that interest due the USA will not default. A default now is not in the plans BTW.

The US dollar will be OK as long as it remains the world reserve currency. HOWEVER all bets are off if the central bankers pull that rug out from under the US dollar. Then all of Bernanke's money printing will come back as Hyperinflation. An excellent article on the subject is HERE


If you do not believe that the "U.S is some sort of corporate/banker" then you are hiding your head in the sand. Google "Corporate government revolving door" and also "Dan Amstutz food"

I have spent seven years in the "Farm Wars" and it only took me a short time to realize our politicians are in the pockets of the banker/corporate cartels.

The Control of the food supply is now in place with the WTO writing the NEW regulations to bankrupt American farmers. (Yeah I can prove it)

If nothing else read agriculture.house.gov...
SHIELDING THE GIANTS: www.whistleblower.org...

This is collaborating information for Shielding the Giants:
Senate Hearings
www.access.gpo.gov... Testimony by Mr. Stan Painter, Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals:

www.fsis.usda.gov... Hearing where Stan Painter is called a LIAR by the government. (In a round about way of course)

A history of the CEDs deliberate bankrupting of American Farmers: www.opednews.com...

Amstutz wrote the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture so you should end with an article by the WTO director: Article - Of What Use is Global Governance? | The Global Journal

I am being nice BTW. This is the attitude of some of the other veterans of the Farm Wars LET THEM EAT GRASS

reply to post by crimvelvet


Where do you think the Tea Party fits in all this though?
Is it another arm of the Corporation?
Or a faction of the ordinary man.
Which they are trying to control.

Can anyone show me were the Tea Party has spent trillions of dollars? Did the Tea Party get us into this mess?
Has the Tea party taken us to war? Has the Tea Party raided social security?
Both Parties should be very afraid. Do not lay the blame on them for your own faults and irresponsibilities!
What a joke for Reid to try and blame the Tea Party for obstructing raising the debt ceiling. They were directly voted to stop this non sense.

reply to post by mugger

Good points.
And even more reason for the MSM and Government to try to pin all of this "crisis" on them.
I tell you folks i smell a rat.
A 14 trillion dollar rat.

reply to post by shtf2012

But we don't have to default. They just need to make it look like all this crisis is the Tea Part's fault. Scare everyone away from them.

BINGO!

TPTB must derail the Tea Party if they are to carry out their plans.

We KNOW the money-bags have own our politicians for over a hundred years. Their plans for an orderly collapse of the USA and the rise of a global world government has been in the plans for centuries.

...According to William Guy Carr, in Pawns In The Game,42 the initial meeting of these ex officio planners took place in Mayer Amschel Bauer’s Goldsmith Shop in Frankfurt in 1773. Bauer, who adopted the name of "Rothschild" or Red Shield, from the red shield which he hung over his door to advertise his business (the red shield today is the official coat of arms of the City of Frankfurt), (See Cover) "was only thirty years of age when he invited twelve other wealthy and influential men to meet him in Frankfurt. His purpose was to convince them that if they agreed to pool their resources they could then finance and control the World Revolutionary Movement and use it as their Manual of Action to win ultimate control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire world. This agreement reached, Mayer unfolded his revolutionary plan.... (for the plan see pg 5 Secrets of the Federal Reserve0

David Rockefeller TOLD us In Sept. 14, 1994 while speaking at the UN Business Council,.
"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

And sure enough a short time later Clinton convened Congress to ratify the trade agreement in the winter of 1994, during which the treaty was approved. As part of the GATT agreement, a new international trade body, the World Trade Organization (WTO), replaced GATT in 1995.

During the lame duck session in 2010 the Food "Safety" Modernization act was passed. It had this key clause that shifts control of farm regulation to the WTO. How many laws have similar clauses???

SEC. 404. COMPLIANCE WITH INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS.
Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the United States is a party.
www.fda.gov...

Guess what The WTO in conjunction with the FAO and OIE have waiting in the wings?

...A multiplicity of Good Agricultural Practices (GAP) codes, standards and regulations have been developed in recent years by the food industry and producers organizations but also governments and NGOs, aiming to codify agricultural practices at farm level for a range of commodities....”
www.fao.org... [has links]

A year ago in The Global Journal this article appeared Of What Use is Global Governance? written by Pascal Lamy, Director, World Trade Organization (WTO) He speaks of the European Union as sort of an intermediate stage.

...the very incarnation of an international organization of integration in which Member States have agreed to relinquish sovereignty in order to strengthen the coherence and effectiveness of their actions.

...If there is one place on earth where new forms of global governance have been tested since the Second World War, it is in Europe. European integration is the most ambitious supranational governance experience ever undertaken. It is the story of interdependence desired, defined, and organized by the Member States. In no respect is the work complete—neither geographically nor in terms of depth (i.e., the powers conferred by the Member States to the E.U.), nor, obviously, in terms of identity....

Our challenge today is to establish a system of global governance that provides a better balance between leadership, effectiveness, and legitimacy on the one hand, and coherence on the other...

And finally we have more words from David Rockefeller outlining what is in store for us:
Remarks made at the Bilderberg Group meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in June 1991:
"… It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries. "

Whether Rockefeller said those words or not they are coming true.

Certainly these words from the 2002 Rockefeller autobiography “Memoirs” where on page 405," express similar sentiment: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world ... If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”


The Tea Party threatens all these plans and therefore MUST be squashed!

reply to post by crimvelvet

The Control of the food supply is now in place with the WTO writing the NEW regulations to bankrupt American farmers. (Yeah I can prove it)

I agree with you, but corporations have been writing regulations to crush competition since forever. That doesn't mean that they run the govt though, without their govt granted privileges they wouldn't have any power at all. Maybe it's the govt controlling the corporations?

reply to post by shtf2012

Where do you think the Tea Party fits in all this though?
Is it another arm of the Corporation?
Or a faction of the ordinary man....

It is an actual grass roots LOOSE organization. It started with Ron Paul's "Campaign for Liberty" formed with the left over money from his 2008 campaign. Note 97% of RP's campaign money was from INDIVIDUALS!

TPTB has made attempts to derail it or grab control of it. The Trojan Horse Sara Palin comes to mind, as does all the false info and the smear campaigns.

I put a great example in this POST

A very bias poll was conducted by a Democratic Think tank (The Blair -ROCKEFELLER poll) and then the Tea Party was called "Racist" because of their response to questions beginning with " Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure that ..."

Maxwell’s report, titled “Tea Party Distinguished by Racial Views and Fear of the Future" even characterize Tea Party Members as"politically sophisticated" and "over 45" with "more education".

So that leaves the young, naive and uneducated... Marshall even says so "....will require the Democratic Party to continue to bring young, and often unreliable, voters to the polls.... "

However one member on ATS says young voters are flocking to Ron Paul according to polls. Of course TPTB is scared!

I claim partial credit for the debt default. I have not been paying my share of the debt and will continue to reject my share for the foreseeable future. The socialists, Democrats, and neocons who like more debt and/or more taxation can pick up where I left off. Or they can default on it and not pay. I don't care that much. I decided that not only do I have zero interest in funding a crime syndicate, and I'm also not interested in pay off a debt load that I disagreed to take on in the first place and looked at as unethical.

I suggest other people stop paying their share of the debt as well who aren't really a fan of the borrow & spend lunacy going on. To think the US is going to come up with the 75 to 125 trillion in money they owe over the next few decades is ridiculous. I have no interest in helping that any more than I have interest in adding bricks to a tower designed as an elevator to the moon.

The problem that actually effects the economy the most is the government spending to GDP ratio, which is currently at 47%. If that number never goes down, the US will NEVER emerge from the depression and will become a 3rd world country. People say the US will always recover. No, what the US was (ie a free-market country) would have always recovered. What the US is now... a socialist country... may never ever recover if the spending never ever returns to levels that produce a healthy economy.

reply to post by Rockdisjoint

I agree with you, but corporations have been writing regulations to crush competition since forever. That doesn't mean that they run the govt though, without their govt granted privileges they wouldn't have any power at all. Maybe it's the govt controlling the corporations?

NOPE
It is the Corporations ruling Congress. That is what K street is for.

Searle Chairman Donald Rumsfeld became the Secretary of Defense, Monsanto's legal Counsel, Mike Tayor is head of the FDA. Another Monsanto lawyer was appointed to the Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas Ann Veneman, ex-Secretary of Agriculture was on the board of directors of Calgene Pharmaceuticals, purchased by Monsanto and worked for the law firm that started the lobbyist crap. I Don't have my reference handy, my computer is literally full (85%) of this stuff!


I wish the Food & Water Watch PDF on corporate funding and the farm bill was not erased from the internet. Unfortunately TPTB bribed F&WW director Maude Barlow with a Senior Advisor's Position in the United Nations in 2008 and their info got wiped

SO we are left with:

...Dwayne Orville Andreas (born 4 March 1918) is one of the most prominent political campaign donors[1] in the United States, having contributed millions of dollars to Democratic and Republican candidates alike. For twenty-five years, he was in the leadership of Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), the largest processor of farm commodities in the United States,... en.wikipedia.org...

DAN AMSTUTZ and the REVOLVING DOOR
Dan Amstutz was CEO of Cargill and President and CEO of the North American Export Grain Association. Before joining government, Amstutz was a general partner of Goldman, Sachs and Company, the New York investment bank, where he initiated the firm’s commodities trading and futures brokerage businesses.

In 1995, Amstutz as a senior trade negotiator under Clinton, wrote the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture. It got rid of tariffs, opened borders and with the aid of the United Nations (OIE and FAO), the WTO WROTE the regulations for farming to be implemented worldwide. Amstutz was also part of the Reagan Administration for 6 years first as under secretary of agriculture for international affairs and commodity programs (1983-1987) and then as ambassador and chief negotiator for agriculture in the GATT Uruguay Round trade negotiations leading up to the WTO.

Republican or Democrat the Ag Cartel/Banker agenda was carried forward.

Amstutz's role in trade negotiations was just part of the agenda. His next step was to introduce the "Freedom to Farm" legislation of 1996. A seven-year farm program pressuring the US government to move away from its farmer support programs. This end of the US policy of buying and stockpiling grain reserves. The resulting over production of grain flooded the market, causing plunging farm prices. The effects on independent farmers was devastating. U.S. Farmers made up 3.4% of the labor force in 1980 and dropped to 1.9 % by 2002 despite 90% of farmers having outside jobs.

The super cheap grain produced by the new "Farm Policy" was bought up by the Ag cartel and exported to third world countries where it was sold at below production costs. This bankrupted third world farmers and lead to worldwide factory farms like the one in Mexico of Swine flu fame.

However the Ag cartel wasn't finished with their manipulations.

Next was the Biofuel law (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 ) and Archer Daniels Midland cleans up big time in the government susidized biofuel business. link and link

This new use of grain caused grain prices to rise but that was only part of the manipulation. Back to our good friend Dan Amstutz and his OTHER employer, Goldman Sachs.


Gramm, head of the CFTC, helped firms such as Goldman Sachs gain influence over the commodity markets. At the end of 2006, food prices across the world started to rise, suddenly. Wheat had shot up by 80 per cent, maize by 90 per cent, rice by 320 per cent.

...Then, in spring 2008, prices just as mysteriously fell back to their previous level. Jean Ziegler, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, calls it “a silent mass murder”, entirely due to “man-made actions.” Through the 1990s, Goldman Sachs and others lobbied hard and the regulations [controlling agricultural futures contracts] were abolished. Suddenly, these contracts were turned into “derivatives” that could be bought and sold among traders who had nothing to do with agriculture. A market in “food speculation” was born. The speculators drove the price through the roof....” www.independent.co.uk...

...Today three companies, Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, and Bunge control the world’s grain trade. Chemical giant Monsanto controls three-fifths of seed production. Unsurprisingly, in the last quarter of 2007, even as the world food crisis was breaking, Archer Daniels Midland’s profits jumped 20%, Monsanto 45%, and Cargill 60%. Recent speculation with food commodities has created another dangerous “boom.” After buying up grains and grain futures, traders are hoarding, withholding stocks and further inflating prices....” www.globalissues.org...

AND children starved to death....

reply to post by Rockdisjoint


Rockdisjoint,

The type of info I am posting is the type of information people (Farmers and organic foodies) have dug out in the last seven years in response to NAIS. It scared the S***T out of us and so we also dug out the Federal Reserve info. WTO info...

We were trying to wake up people BEFORE the Tea Party was formed. Then we had the food riots in 2008 and the Banking crisis and people started to listen. We found Ron Paul. A couple of the farmers in my general neighborhood became "The Granny Warriors" spreading the word and also campaigning for Ron Paul.

NoNAIS and NAISSucks are a couple of those earlier grass roots organizations. They even have hayseed in their pockets and manure on their boots.

Walter raises Pigs and Darol raises Cattle.

Edit to add.

I should mention Gisela's website. She is a real stickler for documenting everything. I hate to think of how many times I heard - do you have a source for that? It shows on all my ATS posts. She trained me well
NAISInfoCentral

Well Harry Reid in his press statement just said "We are headed for economic disaster"

It appears to me the Democrats have the upper hand on this issue. Looks like they are winning with their arguments.

Bull frealkin' crap!

This stuff has been going on for years, so
HOW IN HELL CAN YOU BLAME THIS ON THE TEA PARTY?

Give blame where blame is due.
Blame it on the 535 so called leaders of our nation.

Some things never change.

Members of Congress

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Can you imagine working at the following Company?

It has a little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

•29 have been accused of spousal abuse
•7 have been arrested for fraud
•19 have been accused of writing bad checks
•117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
•3 have been arrested for assault
•71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
•14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
•8 have been arrested for shoplifting
•21 are current defendants in lawsuits
•In 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving
Can you guess which organization this is? Give up?

It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to keep the rest of us in line.

source - wilk4.com...

here is a video on exactly what you are talking about on Fox Freedom watch with the judge.. I love that guy:

It's the Demopublicans fault.

---------------or---------------------

It's the Republicrats fault.

"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss" -- The Who

Hopefully, we won't get fooled again.