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Cantor : We have the votes to pass Boehner's bill

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posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Wether the debt ceiling is raised or not, massive changes need to be made.

The US is currently committing fiscal suicide. The policies that lead down this path are still in place. There needs to be a system wide change for any lasting progress to be made.

That isn't even on the table yet.

A forced default would make that issue priority one. It would make for some very scary times, as the US could really go either way during the rebuild period, but the rewards would be worth the risk.




posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Looks like the bill will pass. Looks like Slugworth came in the middle of the night last night and made the tea party congressmen switch their votes. I wonder what they were offered in return? hmm



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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you're just talking about the house right? because boehner's first bill passed the house, and failed the senate (only just). so if this bill is struggling in the house, i don't think it will pass the senate.

i think obama's camp was predicting it wouldn't pass either.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
That's not real change...it is suicide.


Not for people who believe in the future.



It is the hope from people who are down on their luck, because misery loves company and they want to bring everyone down with them.

Fail.
We are people who don't want government in our lives.
Get over your dependence.

Kick the government habit!


It's pathetic and simple minded.

Relying on entitlements and government handouts is pathetic and simple minded. Being independent of government oversight is anything but.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Fail.
We are people who don't want government in our lives.
Get over your dependence.

Kick the government habit!


The assumptions you make are hilarious.


Tea Partiers are by far the most clueless people in the nation.


I bet you think Obama raised your taxes along with all the other Tea Partiers...right?



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Wether the debt ceiling is raised or not, massive changes need to be made.

The US is currently committing fiscal suicide. The policies that lead down this path are still in place. There needs to be a system wide change for any lasting progress to be made.

That isn't even on the table yet.

A forced default would make that issue priority one. It would make for some very scary times, as the US could really go either way during the rebuild period, but the rewards would be worth the risk.


A forced default would make any serious change unnecessary...because we would have no economy left.

It's delusional to think that a default would be a good thing. :shk:



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer
 



Fail.
We are people who don't want government in our lives.
Get over your dependence.

Kick the government habit!


The assumptions you make are hilarious.


Tea Partiers are by far the most clueless people in the nation.


I bet you think Obama raised your taxes along with all the other Tea Partiers...right?

Now who is making assumptions?
Your dependence is of no interest to me.
Your promotion of dependence and a propogation of like-minded pols IS of concern.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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There's going to be a big broom next year. Obama, Reid, Boehner, et al as far as I'm concerned.

Damned shame. Seeing our country getting pissed away for political expediency.



hope so i am going to send all 535 congressmen "the idiots guide to the constitution"



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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Now who is making assumptions?
Your dependence is of no interest to me.
Your promotion of dependence and a propogation of like-minded pols IS of concern.


Wasn't an assumption...it was a question...notice the "?" on the end. Basic comprehension at play here.


I don't promote dependence...I promote a responsible safety net...I promote that it is better to help those in need rather than have them die on the streets. I promote that I want to live in a society that cares about others...and not just about the rich.

Are you rich...or do you just do their bidding???



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

I don't promote dependence...I promote a responsible safety net...I promote that it is better to help those in need rather than have them die on the streets. I promote that I want to live in a society that cares about others...and not just about the rich.

Are you rich...or do you just do their bidding???

My financial state has no bearing in this debate.
Responsible safety net? And you expect the government to provide that?
Sure.
On their terms.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

I don't promote dependence...I promote a responsible safety net...I promote that it is better to help those in need rather than have them die on the streets. I promote that I want to live in a society that cares about others...and not just about the rich.

Are you rich...or do you just do their bidding???

My financial state has no bearing in this debate.
Responsible safety net? And you expect the government to provide that?
Sure.
On their terms.



They have provided it for decades.

But all of a sudden, Obama is elected and it is no longer good enough.

I wonder why



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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That is exactly why a default could be a good thing.

Wipes the slate, makes it easier to change legislation and rebuild.

No option is going to be an easy out, anybody that thinks so is in for a very rude awakening.

So the question becomes, do you do a complete reset (default) and do it right? Or do you do a rolling change over (ceiling raise) many years?



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


That is exactly why a default could be a good thing.

Wipes the slate, makes it easier to change legislation and rebuild.

No option is going to be an easy out, anybody that thinks so is in for a very rude awakening.

So the question becomes, do you do a complete reset (default) and do it right? Or do you do a rolling change over (ceiling raise) many years?



LOL...defaulting doesn't "wipe the slate"...it just means you are behind in your payments...and now to make it worse...your credit rating sinks which makes it harder to pay back that debt.

There is no "complete reset"...that is not even an option.

Good lord...do people really think a default means all our debt magically goes away??? If so, that is way damn more scary than the prospect of actually defaulting.


I'm in shock...I really am.



posted on Jul, 29 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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We are going to default anyway, if the debt ceiling is raised or not.

The debt ceiling just increases the amount we owe.

That is brilliant. Your household is going bankrupt, so let's go borrow more money.

I can't believe that you think that that is sound logical advice



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