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posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
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Which doesnt change the FACT that Viet Dinh is the AUTHOR and ARCHITECT of the Patriot Act.

So Viet Dinh plagerized. No biggie. Since it (Patriot Act) sucks lemons.
So we have a dem who was the "Father of The Patriot Act".
A republican president who enacted it with a sunset clause.
And a progressive liberal president who endorses it.
And you want to blame conservatives for what, exactly?




posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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we did talk about star trek did we not?

so not so fast



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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How am i not entitled to facts? If you have an issue with facts i would suggest you give up on public debate becase no one is going to sit around and let you make you're own history, to fit a cause you want.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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We talked about Star Trek.. Which you had been bashing as liberal hollywood brainwashing along with everything else in the world.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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sounds just like what the democrats did to bush just to seize power last time i checked not too much has changed since 2008



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Did you look into Viet Dinh at all? If so tell me a bit about what you learned?



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Explain??



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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because it is social programming and social engineering is the democratic party and their mechanism to maintain power.

everything in this thread thats been posted has been relative to the topic at hand.

the democrats do the same thing as the republicans and get a free pass



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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No, when you try to say only a democrat started a war when multiple presidents involved..

When you say a democrat killed the econemy when its been a long history to get us to this point.

When you say what conflicts should or should not be wars (i only say which are and are not according to the facts, on a global scale not just american)

End of the day it seems to be you doing all the things you accuse others of doing.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
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Did you look into Viet Dinh at all? If so tell me a bit about what you learned?

Why?
What does his history have to do with the abuses that progressives are enacting now?
You're deflecting.
I just want to see someone support big government and find out their reasoning for such a mindset. You, on the other hand, choose to obfuscate and distract from the central premise.
When you're finished giving me homework assignments and have found enough courage to really talk about the issues at hand, I'll be waiting.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Freedom and socialism are not in conflict. Years of conservative propaganda has made people think that however. A true Social Democracy would be near-utopian.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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once agian i said the democrats supposedly the antiwar party when they arent.

and the economy is being destroyed by those same policies that are supposedly to "save" people is the very thing that is destroying them.

conflicts is just a politically correct term designed to desensitize the reader that people only die in a war when they die in "conflicts".

and if you say so.

no one is making you post in this thread however those people i am talking about you cant get away from their influence is everywhere.
edit on 28-7-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by SG-17
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Freedom and socialism are not in conflict. Years of conservative propaganda has made people think that however. A true Social Democracy would be near-utopian.

What would be your definition of a social democracy?



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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the Democrat progressive caucus is this countries only hope. the GOP is extinct. that cancer called the tea party will be eradicated hopefully by 2020. sure, a few fringe elements of the baggers will survive. cowards always find a way to hide and somehow survive usually sucking the lifeblood from the weakest amonst us.. but make no mistake about it; the future of this country, the future of our kids & grandkids (the ones the tea bags constantly regurgitate about) lies solely with the Democrats. look to the blue states for leadership, for guidance, for freedom from oppression. the blue states; that's where the inteligence lies, that's where ideas are born and innovation is a way of life. I look forward to the days when Dems stand united & lead us both forward & also back to the once great country we were and someday will be again. I try not to be a vengeful guy but I look forward to the day the tea party is crushed. so go ahead baggers give it your best shot or just go ahead and revolt ......... we're waiting for you. bring it................the sooner the beter.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by LooksLikeWeMadeIt
the Democrat progressive caucus is this countries only hope. the GOP is extinct. that cancer called the tea party will be eradicated hopefully by 2020. sure, a few fringe elements of the baggers will survive. cowards always find a way to hide and somehow survive usually sucking the lifeblood from the weakest amonst us.. but make no mistake about it; the future of this country, the future of our kids & grandkids (the ones the tea bags constantly regurgitate about) lies solely with the Democrats. look to the blue states for leadership, for guidance, for freedom from oppression. the blue states; that's where the inteligence lies, that's where ideas are born and innovation is a way of life. I look forward to the days when Dems stand united & lead us both forward & also back to the once great country we were and someday will be again. I try not to be a vengeful guy but I look forward to the day the tea party is crushed. so go ahead baggers give it your best shot or just go ahead and revolt ......... we're waiting for you. bring it................the sooner the beter.

Blue states like Michigan? Illinois? California?



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by alienreality
 


Freedom and socialism are not in conflict. Years of conservative propaganda has made people think that however. A true Social Democracy would be near-utopian.

What would be your definition of a social democracy?

A combination of a welfare state and an economic democracy. The Nordic Model is particularly high functioning.

Let me post a quote that says it more elegantly than I can.


It affirms the following principles: first, freedom—not only individual liberties, but also freedom from discrimination and freedom from dependence on either the owners of the means of production or the holders of abusive political power; second, equality and social justice—not only before the law but also economic and socio-cultural equality as well, and equal opportunities for all including those with physical, mental, or social disabilities; and, third, solidarity—unity and a sense of compassion for the victims of injustice and inequality.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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You claimed Biden wrote the patriot act.. If he said it or not its not reality, so maybe you would like to admit that?



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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While we are at it, do you really compare a UN lead action against Libya, called on by France the same as Bush in Iraq?



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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You had me at individual liberties, but lost me at social justice.


Equal oppourtunities does not mean equal outcomes. Equal outcomes have to be engineered.
And that, by default, negates individual liberties. Those two aspects are at odds with each other. You can't have true individual liberties if the outcome is pre-determined to insure a sense of equality.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
reply to post by beezzer
 


You claimed Biden wrote the patriot act.. If he said it or not its not reality, so maybe you would like to admit that?
If he said it, it is not reality???
Wha would I be admitting to? Using Bidens own words? If he's a liar, then he's a liar. Which would only further the OP's focus that democrats have a history of lying, misrepresenting themselves.






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