personally i don't have kids, but the way i see it is that the problem is on the parents.

when i was still in uni, I was living in an apartment where the laundry facilities were shared just outside of my room. at about 8 am on a saturday (I was extremely hungover), a mother and her son (around 4-5) was doing their laundry. I could not sleep and was frustrated as the kid was continuously kicking my door and screaming (don't remember what he was screaming about). I opened the door and politely asked the mother to control her kid. the response was its after 8, the noise control laws don't apply anymore. I told her at least stop your kid from kicking my door and she responded with thats not her problem. I was like WTF. So I opened my door, turned on my computer and opened the first porn site I could find. Turned the volume up to max with the door open. She and her kid left really quickly.

Although I strongly regret my actions, but the fact is that I don't blame the kid, its the parents who are the problem.

IMO I don't think banning kids is a good idea, even if it is a private business, you can't accept certain people and deny access to others (although certain age restrictions in some areas is a different story). but its the parents who should be taught a lesson. I am strongly against restaurants, bars, cafes....kicking parents with kids out if they can't control their actions.

personally i don't have kids, but the way i see it is that the problem is on the parents.

when i was still in uni, I was living in an apartment where the laundry facilities were shared just outside of my room. at about 8 am on a saturday (I was extremely hungover), a mother and her son (around 4-5) was doing their laundry. I could not sleep and was frustrated as the kid was continuously kicking my door and screaming (don't remember what he was screaming about). I opened the door and politely asked the mother to control her kid. the response was its after 8, the noise control laws don't apply anymore. I told her at least stop your kid from kicking my door and she responded with thats not her problem. I was like WTF. So I opened my door, turned on my computer and opened the first porn site I could find. Turned the volume up to max with the door open. She and her kid left really quickly.

Although I strongly regret my actions, but the fact is that I don't blame the kid, its the parents who are the problem.

IMO I don't think banning kids is a good idea, even if it is a private business, you can't accept certain people and deny access to others (although certain age restrictions in some areas is a different story). but its the parents who should be taught a lesson. I am strongly against restaurants, bars, cafes....kicking parents with kids out if they can't control their actions.

personally i don't have kids, but the way i see it is that the problem is on the parents.

when i was still in uni, I was living in an apartment where the laundry facilities were shared just outside of my room. at about 8 am on a saturday (I was extremely hungover), a mother and her son (around 4-5) was doing their laundry. I could not sleep and was frustrated as the kid was continuously kicking my door and screaming (don't remember what he was screaming about). I opened the door and politely asked the mother to control her kid. the response was its after 8, the noise control laws don't apply anymore. I told her at least stop your kid from kicking my door and she responded with thats not her problem. I was like WTF. So I opened my door, turned on my computer and opened the first porn site I could find. Turned the volume up to max with the door open. She and her kid left really quickly.

Although I strongly regret my actions, but the fact is that I don't blame the kid, its the parents who are the problem.

IMO I don't think banning kids is a good idea, even if it is a private business, you can't accept certain people and deny access to others (although certain age restrictions in some areas is a different story). but its the parents who should be taught a lesson. I am strongly supportive of restaurants, bars, cafes....kicking parents with kids out if they can't control their actions.

Kid's do not kid - In a world full of cars...Adults do.

sw that is some story, that is the kind of parent we are talking about, the way she handled the situation, what did the child learn from that, how to be rude and disrespectful, that's what

I am a mother, my children are grown up now. I like children. I have seen my share of well behaved children and I have gone over to their tables and complimented the families and thanked them and that I enjoyed my meal.

there have been times where a baby is fussing and not stopping and they took them out ti take care of them.

I have seen parents take their children out side and run off some energy so they could calm down.

But there have been times where parent just totally ignored the child, RUNNING AROUND, I have seen this at crowded restaurants where this is a danger to patrons ,servers ,and the child. The library and the store....especially the store..running full speed again and again...I loudly tell them"this is a store not a playground" because when I would say something to the parent, they do nothing....

we involved a manager a couple of time in at restaurants as a last resort ....they need to know if children are running such amok that it requires their attention.

I would like to know the back story of these places that are banning children this could not have been a first step for them, I would like to hear what exactly happened before passing judgement on them.

Why do some kids run in these places??? my friend though maybe they think because it is ok to run around in chucky cheese, that it is okay to do it in other places.....

I abhor the idea that kids should be welcome everywhere. Some places need to be just for adults and if pushy, dimwit parents who just want to prove to the world that they had sex, by parading their kids about at every opportunity don't like it, well tough.

I say that as a parent, its simple, really, people need to wise up and realise they can't have every damn thing in the world.

Rant over. As you were.

I`m all for this. I went on vacation recently and it seemed EVERYWHERE I went I was tortured by horribly behaved kids. At the airport in a lounge full of bean bag chairs and recliners where travellers were trying to sleep between flights this family came in with a screaming baby. The mother was getting all kinds of stink-eye from the people trying to sleep and eventually someone said to her ``people are trying to sleep here`she gave him a haughty look and didn`t do a damn thing.

The problem isn`t just the kids it`s the terrible terrible parents.

A baby is born in the world every 4.5 seconds.
There is nothing special about that. You don't deserve any props for having kids, or special treatment.
You don't have the right to drag your kid to a nice restaurant just because you think you are somehow superior because you squeezed one out.
It is a choice to breed, and parents should have to live with the consequenses of that choice.

This movement is obviously tue result of social failures.

People don't parent their children well, and community members don't speak out and inform these incompetent parents.

Instead of the community calling out the few who deserve it, all children are denied.

It's pathetic, really.

Next time you see a whiny child, talk to the parents.

If they're incompetent, blast em!

You might just save society the horror of having yet another narcissistic scumbag to deal with.

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Originally posted by unityemissions
This movement is obviously tue result of social failures.

People don't parent their children well, and community members don't speak out and inform these incompetent parents.

Instead of the community calling out the few who deserve it, all children are denied.

It's pathetic, really.

Next time you see a whiny child, talk to the parents.

If they're incompetent, blast em!

You might just save society the horror of having yet another narcissistic scumbag to deal with.

The problem in society is simply that parents no longer parent. Society has told everybody they are children and never grow up and the world is a play ground. When you have children you have to keep working because the cost of living is so high instead of one parent staying home to actually parent.

What do people do, childcare from 3 months of age. 3 year old kinder, 4 year old kinder, then on to school.

Strangers are raising the majority of children in the western world. This is why third world countries have much better family structure and respectful children on average.

Home schooled children who's mother or father left work to care for their kids from birth, although severely punished financially, in most cases turn out to be less self obsessed greedy me me me little brats and far more altruistic than the mean.

This is also the reasoning behind nanny state type collectivist obsession that seems to be going on in the world today, but thats a whole other kettle of fish.

I lived next door to some people with a 1 year old whom they allowed to wander outside, on his own. This kid entered my house in search of my cat and nearly fell down a flight of stairs....I caught him at the last moment. The same child would play in MY driveway, behind my car (which I had to back out of the driveway) and even under my car. His parents refused to take any responsibility for watching him.....saying stuff like "It takes a village to raise a child." Yes, but if we don't know the child is even there.....at 1-3 years old, they are in danger!

I can't imagine being on an airplane with those folks! They were soooooo stupid, I saw them bug fog their yard, spraying right over the barbecue they were cooking food on, with the 1 year old walking in the fog. I mentioned it wasn't good to spray pesticide on their food and child. They smiled and told me it was "non-toxic".....
Just like those fish from the Gulf!!
Can we ban stupidity?

that is scary, good you were vigilant and kept and eye out for that child. I say if you encouter a really bad misbehaving child in public say something to the parent(parents), if they blow you off, say something to the establishment

They start getting enough complaints they will have to do something about it.

As a parent of a 4 year old myself, I'm kind of offended that someone else is telling me where I can and where I cannot take my kid. If he's well behaved, I don't see a problem. BUT I do agree to an EXTENT!

For example I was just at the movies with some friends to watch Final Destination 5 3D and two couples brought their kids in to see it. The first couple brought in a toddler and a baby. That I disagree with. Who brings a baby to a movie that is not ment for kids? If it was Cars, that I could understand. It's a kids movie! But this was not a childrens movie so we had to listen to a crying baby. Then the toddler kept getting up to walk and peered over our chairs looking at us and trying to talk to us. The parents never did anything but giggle. We couldn't be rude to the kid because it wasn't her fault. But my friends did make loud enough remarks that it was rude to bring a child especially if they couldn't be quiet. To leave them home!

The other couple who brought in their son who was probably around 8. He was well behaved so that didn't bother us.

What I'm saying is there are places for children, then there are places not ment for children. If there is a high scale restaurant that wants to ban kids, fine. If a place like Olive Garden (that is a bit fancy but not much) wants to ban kids, I might be a little upset because personally whenever I've taken my son there he acts fine. He's never acted up. If a place that I regulary go to, who has kids menus and booster seats, wants to ban them, then I would be highly upset. They would definitely be losing money. If I want to go out to dinner every once in a while with my son, he shouldn't always have to eat fast food. He likes his corn and broccoli to! I know, shocker.

Grocery store? How can you honestly ban kids from a grocery store? That's ludicrous. I shouldn't even have to explain why!

Airplanes.... I don't fly but it would make sense to have a no kids section... then a family section. No harm, no foul. But you can't ban kids because what happens if you have family across the ocean or country and someone is dieing? You can't leave your child alone, you can't always get a sitter and you can't always take a car (too far, won't cross oceans or isn't in that good of condition.) That's only one example why parents bring their kids. It's not always some selfish reason.

Bottom line, teach your kids respect and manners. That is a PARENTS job! Even the best of parents though will have moments where their child acts up for whatever reason. It doesn't mean you ban them from every place. Personally, if I'm somewhere and my son starts acting up and you see I am trying everything to get him to calm down (reasoning, disciplining, whatever... just some examples) I would love for someone else to walk up to him and talk to him, or make funny faces or crack a joke because I know my son. He would end up listening. He gets shy around strangers and if a stranger walked up to him and did that he would be like and cut it out. If all else fails, I'll leave!

Now I know most of these people in this forum are talking about ignorant lazy parents and I agree but I am just showing... I had my son when I was 20. I'm not like that but my son still has his moments. So all of a sudden if my child acts and you happen to see it, I'm a bad parent? Some of the people who have commented in this forum really need to grow up. It's not fair to ban children everywhere like that. If it's getting that bad, then if they are foolish enough to try and ban children then they should be wiser to make parents go to a parenting class or something.

what I want to know is when will the Pizza joints start banning obnoxious fathers amongst a group of kids and one kid looks like him and yells that same " am I right? am I right? after everything he says just like his dad does

I for one love this movement. Children should be house-bound until the age of 5.

I recently ranted on the local Craigslist that I wish restaurants would have a child free section. Boy did I get blasted apparently some parents think everyone should be subjected to their kids screaming and crying.

Since there are more and more soically illiterate parents and therefore as well children, one can understand that some businesses decide against that. But I wonder how badly the toddlers in Malaysias 1st Class misbehaved, that they get banned ...