dude, no prob but don't forget others are spending the same or more,

with babysitters and an anniversary thrown in for good measure.

like i've said in other threads, let the mgmt know ya got kids when you make a rez.

there are kid/family friendly places and there are not.

just like there are bars and there are strip joints.

Yeah its totally lost on them anyway. Why spend $40 for your kid to not like his salmon tar tar, asparagus with goat cheese and souffle. Go to McDonalds and Denny's if you want your kids to eat. Or, heres an idea, spend that $40 on a babysitter and go out with out your kids?

Wasn't there just a post about McDonalds? Not letting my kid eat those nuggets, thanks. We like to go to a nice (somewhat upscale) Italian restaurant after a day of shopping or after the movies. For the most part my 4 year old is well behaved, but we go at 6 so we don't disturb other diners. Sometimes she will bang her fork on her plate, sometimes she will say hi to other patrons. Occasionally, she behaves badly and then we get doggie bags.

Kids may not be as well behaved as they used to be but I think the general population don't have the tolerance levels they used to. Problem is adults whining about everything (including whining about whining children).

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Sad to see so many adults advocate violence. Then they wonder why there is so much hurt and violence in the world. Violence begets violence. Teaching your kid to be afraid of you might work in the short run, but then you wonder why divorce is up to 50%.
There are plenty of societies that discipline their children, use brute force, and their society still sucks.
Running around advocating laying hands on children is not the answer to anything.
I find this all quite disturbing.

My child is the best behaved in any room and in his pre-school. And that is by his own choice, not out of fear. Because I treat him with respect. I treat him as my equal emotionally. Just because he is little does not mean that he is a second rate citizen like so many here are advocating. I draw strict lines, he knows where they are. If you ignore your child, they act for attention. You reign with an iron fist, you get a tyrant later. Children express the upbringing they receive. You teach your child what their emotions are, give them undivided attention and love, and strict lines, and they flourish and can learn to make decisions for themselves. No matter what camp your in, emotional intelligence is lacking.

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC

AND incidentally, IF we're going to spend $30-$40 bucks a head minimum, for a main (at an okay restaurant) the owners can bloody well tolerate all they get from my kids, I've paid for the right, haven't I? Don't they want the money? Are they so comfortable with their finances they don't need my moola?

Wellll. Just because you pay people money doesnt mean you can do whatever you want to them. They're chefs, servers and bartenders...not prostitutes. And some restaurants dont want the "family" dollar. In fact, many restaurants lose well paying adult customers because of noisy, messy kids. Happened at many of my restaurants. Kids actually cost the restaurant more money (and hassle) than its worth.

Its not worth the server dealing with them, cleaning up the inevitable mess, not leaving a good tip and the kitchen having to make up special, smaller child plates and design a separate kids menu. Kids meals are cheaper so its less of a bill. All the while they're going to be a lot noisier and rowdier than most adults (drunk adults excluded).

Like I said, not all kids and parents are like this but enough to warrant many restaurants banning rugrats.

Culture of Hate.

Culture of Self-Destruction.

Most obvious sign isn't the money, it isn't the wars, it isn't the fat, it isn't the alcohol.

It is that people hate their own next generation.

People hate children, and they hate the people who have children.

I didn't realize what I level of pressure I live in my parent and child-hating culture until I was at a restraunt event organized for only parents. One of my friends didn't realize what a culture of parent and child-hate she lived in until she went to a Mormon event with one of her friends. Another friend realized it when he ended up at a Muslim Pakistani event.

You people are poison.

Dont think thats fair, kids n babys not allowed on airplanes..although by todays reocrd, it seems to me airlines do the cheapest way to fix things on aplane. In other words, if yuor with yuor kid, n flying over oh lets say, the north atlanitc, or pacific, and have a sudden derpessuring of the cabin aka roof flies off* well then the kid is screwed too.
I bet airlines have had their fair share of adults acting like kids too, by comparison.some guy sitting next too you who wont shut up* has offensie verbal t shirts on and drinks like thiers no tomorrow, bet thats annoying for most of us flying...terrorists , grown adults, go on planes too, not to cry n whine, but to blow them up with you in it. so i find this no kiods allowed ruling kinda not fair*