I agree with the Inuit people , The sun is definetly moving over a different path in the sky . See M, page 3
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reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 08:45 AM by Kandinsky
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LMAO


Glad the humour came across there

Your food description has made me hungry...



reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 08:49 AM by Chadwickus
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Sounds like you're on the ball!

Surely someone as aware as yourself can tell us ignorants exactly when the sun shifted...right?


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 08:51 AM by JennaDarling
Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Sounds like you're on the ball!

Surely someone as aware as yourself can tell us ignorants exactly when the sun shifted...right?



Perhaps the planet tilts?

Lol, maybe the Earth shifted, not the sun..

I would like to see measurements to prove it has, we do know the recent Japan nuclear reactor explosions and earthquakes have tilted the planet¨s axis as have the nuclear detonation tests in history.

It could be natural it could be unnatural.

We need measurements.


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 08:57 AM by minettejo
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I go up to my parent cottage every year at the same time. The sun sets over lake huron and the way their yard is set up is that the sun sets to the left of two birtch trees during that weekend. We must have 20 pictures of the sunset and those trees over the years. Ever since reading these posts on the sun's changing positions I have been looking forward to this weekend to get a picture and see if it has actually moved.


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:00 AM by coffeesniffer
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Have you not seen all the other threads relating to this, lots of them arnt there, even news articals mentioning the same, I dont see how taking 2 photos is a big thing yet it would prove to everyone one way or another.

I did not say I beleived it is following another track or in a different place and I do have stallarium installed on my lappy and I own an EXT Mead telescope with camera attachment for me DSLR, im just interested I dont see whats is wrong with my proposition ?


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:04 AM by spyder550
Complete and utter poppycock --

1 - The sun doesn't shift -- it was shown long ago that the earth moves around the sun

2 - If the earth changed its position in relation to the sun there would be massive disruption in tides, massive crop failures, starvation and wars. (even more massive than I am sure people will point out - IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW) -- I am talking societal changing on an unimaginable scale.

3 - Brazillions of amateur astronomers through out the world would be wetting themselves to get on the internet to share their discovery. The orbit of the earth, the earths precession is known information that has been measured accurately for many many thousands of years. It is established set your watch to it science.

4 - Any one using a sextant to navigate -- and there are a few of us who can still do that. Would find that they were getting lost at sea, and numbers that had been used for hundreds of years would be meaningless.

These are just off the top of my head - but if the earth changed even subtly. The effects are not going to be such that you would have time to post on the internet saying that you might be noticing a difference. Hell there probably wouldn't even be an internet

So I am awe struck -- no I think I am actually gobstruck that this is a topic of converstaion.

Settled science is settled science
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reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:05 AM by Greensage
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You are about the worst debunker imaginable, not only do you just site "no it is normal", but then you say that if the person's dad isn't a Phd they couldn't know squat.

I say you have failed miserably when in fact most that do not notice such things do not notice much about anything in their lives anyways; so what is your point? You "feel" that Stellarium is "real-time", a computer model? Next you will probably say it's the weather! Oh, you did!

I think you need to quit while your ahead, if someone notices something and other people notice it too then it might be time to think about your own Phd, or maybe you have spent too much time in simulators!

I say the OP and the Inuit know more than you will ever comprehend behind your computer screen. I have noticed it too and I am a gardener who has noticed a bit more; not to mention that the color of the Sun has changed and that it has appeared larger in the sky; but, I am willing to keep my mind open that the Earth is the one swelling and not the Sun, as it does bulge through a calendar year based on "magnetic forces" surrounding us! Our view is a lens-effect based on Earth as the eye, and it may be that our vision is changing because our eye is changing, but that is because I keep my mind open! Open your eyes Man!

S&F OP!


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:12 AM by Chadwickus
Manhattan henge:

en.wikipedia.org...

The sun is where its supposed to be.

Oh yeah, the Inuit were pawns in a global warming/climate change propaganda film.

Gotta see the forest from the trees guys..open your eyes and all that stuff.



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reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:12 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by coffeesniffer

Fire up Stellarium, see which constellations are where and also Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are visible in our July skies. Tonight, go out and compare the locations from Stellarium to what you actually see.

That all the stars and planets are exactly where they should be rules out the possibility of the Earth having moved.



reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:18 AM by Skorpiogurl
Originally posted by spyder550
Complete and utter poppycock --

1 - The sun doesn't shift -- it was shown long ago that the earth moves around the sun

2 - If the earth changed its position in relation to the sun there would be massive disruption in tides, massive crop failures, starvation and wars. (even more massive than I am sure people will point out - IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW) -- I am talking societal changing on an unimaginable scale.

3 - Brazillions of amateur astronomers through out the world would be wetting themselves to get on the internet to share their discovery. The orbit of the earth, the earths precession is known information that has been measured accurately for many many thousands of years. It is established set your watch to it science.

4 - Any one using a sextant to navigate -- and there are a few of us who can still do that. Would find that they were getting lost at sea, and numbers that had been used for hundreds of years would be meaningless.

These are just off the top of my head - but if the earth changed even subtly. The effects are not going to be such that you would have time to post on the internet saying that you might be noticing a difference. Hell there probably wouldn't even be an internet

So I am awe struck -- no I think I am actually gobstruck that this is a topic of converstaion.

Settled science is settled science
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Well... the Earth did shift subtly and actually when that happens, and it does happen, the effects are barely felt at all. Aside from the last shift which shortened our days by, think NASA said 1.26 microseconds (millionth of a second in case there are Brazillions of people who don't know what a microsecond is).


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:20 AM by Skorpiogurl
Originally posted by JennaDarling
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to
post by JennaDarling



Sounds like you're on the ball!

Surely someone as aware as yourself can tell us ignorants exactly when the sun shifted...right?



Perhaps the planet tilts?

Lol, maybe the Earth shifted, not the sun..

I would like to see measurements to prove it has, we do know the recent Japan nuclear reactor explosions and earthquakes have tilted the planet¨s axis as have the nuclear detonation tests in history.

It could be natural it could be unnatural.

We need measurements.


Here is an example. Don't know how credible it is but, makes sense to me.

inhabitat.com...


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:24 AM by Kandinsky
reply to post by Greensage

Debunker my ass! The point that some folk are dopey enough to misunderstand was that they are getting carried away over the word of a guy in his garden. PhD was a reference to the level of evidence people will accept and get jittery over. A man in his garden!

Stellarium isn't 'real-time' it's based on computer models of 'where' the stars and planets will be. It went over your head, but no worries.

So, you're a gardener and also believe the Sun has altered course or the Earth's shifted away? It's 'bigger' and looks funny huh? The Earth is 'swelling?' This is why I love ATS, you'd disbelieve everything before you doubt your own senses and doubt science more than a stranger in his back garden.

Forgive me if I don't start panicking yet.


reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 09:35 AM by Pilot
Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to
post by coffeesniffer

Fire up Stellarium, see which constellations are where and also Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are visible in our July skies. Tonight, go out and compare the locations from Stellarium to what you actually see.

That all the stars and planets are exactly where they should be rules out the possibility of the Earth having moved.



That's a good idea, but can a visual comparison be accurate enough to measure a slight change, if one exists? Wouldn't you need to use a sextant or something? I noticed this "change" in early spring, and doubted myself because it seems so outrageous, but now that people all over the world are mentioning it, it makes me wonder.

What was the reason that the sun rose in Greenland a day early this year? It seems like that was never explained away satisfactorily, maybe I missed it.
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