Arbeit Macht Frei

Do you ever get the feeling that the "work machine", ie work, work, work, and "maybe" if you are lucky you can retire - is some horrible propaganda ripped off from the German war machine 70+ years ago, taking a page from Goebbels??

No matter how much you save, etc. it always seems like your money (savings), if the economy continues in some sane mode (which I realize it will not), will never fully cover expenditures due to inflation, etc. In essence the sheeple have been sold the "Work will set you free" bull$hit...

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Luck has nothing to do with retirement ... good planning and saving does.

Originally posted by SirMike
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Luck has nothing to do with retirement ... good planning and saving does.

You are right, except you left out the all including factor - your money is backed by the full faith of the government and nothing else, your stocks are at the whim of the market and global investors. So even if you do everything right - you can still come out a massive loser with nothing to show for it... oh, and then their is inflation which can eat away what you have saved. So really, it does come down to luck or the ebb and flow of the global banking autocracy...

Work Will set you free is a true statement. Work is what made this nation great and we need to get back to it ASAP. TPTB have spent decades ripping this country down, in the end, it will be us that builds it back up.

Originally posted by discharged77
Work Will set you free is a true statement. Work is what made this nation great and we need to get back to it ASAP. TPTB have spent decades ripping this country down, in the end, it will be us that builds it back up.

Work will set you free as long as EVERYONE plays fair. In my opinion this ethic left a long time ago.

The real root of the matter goes back much farther. Early man was a hunter-gatherer, and as such in normal times he probably spent no more than four or five hours a day attending to the duties of survival. Of course, this would vary based on external conditions and other factors, but this estimate was made based on observations of the last surviving hunter-gatherers and their lifestyles in places around the world.

Then when we see the first, earliest settlements and the dawn of the agricultural revolution, we see from archeological evidence that these people were shorter, more unhealthy, and shorter-lived than their hunter-gatherer contemporaries. Moreover, they seemed to work long hours doing repetitive tasks like shucking corn, etc., stooped over to such a degree it deformed their skeletons. The agricultural revolution is usually presented as a great advance for humans, but it appears to be a form of slavery that diminished the quality of life rather than improved it. The bosses meanwhile preserved as aristocratic perogatives the rights to hunt and enjoy a more leisurely life for themselves.

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i never heard "work will set you free" before, but i didn't grow up in EU. i was lucky enough to receive sage advice many years ago from an authentic Colorado cowboy who told me:

"it ain't how much you make, it's how you spend it"

i thought very little of these words when i first heard them but the years have proven the saying true. my wife and i have done just fine by being conservative with our earnings. our little home was paid for in under 15 years, there is always food on the table and money in the bank.

i also had a major life change after i changed the life i lead. after making a personal belief commitment which lead me to live 'in the flow' so as to speak, i never have want. i've also learned to cut loose false fake 'friends' who are nothing but takers/users, and relatives who make good money but are always ringing up to borrow some of ours, which they can never remember to pay back. generosity and charity is one thing, being played for a fool is quite another.

Interesting...

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Remember my friend, we have the power to change the system whenever we want, the only obstacle in the way is our own self doubt. The time will come when the men of this country become men again and do the right thing. Years of Marxist propaganda has weakened this country and almost brought its people to their knees, but the backlash will be fierce and the time will come.

Originally posted by discharged77
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Remember my friend, we have the power to change the system whenever we want, the only obstacle in the way is our own self doubt. The time will come when the men of this country become men again and do the right thing. Years of Marxist propaganda has weakened this country and almost brought its people to their knees, but the backlash will be fierce and the time will come.

I agree 100% - is getting the 99% of the populace to wake up at this point that is the problem. I do fear though that when they do it will be 1000X worse than had people made changes at the first sign of trouble decades ago...

We as a people have been divided by the laughable two party system that is actually two sides of the same coin. You and many others may know this to be true, but there are many among us who have not opened their eyes to this reality. They still have faith in a puppet government that does not care about its citizens or the constitution that they swore upon. These people worship money, but its power they hunger for beyond that, when you put your faith into these maniacs you are giving them this power. When enough of us have turned away from this system thats when things will start to give, but you will have to fight, they will not release their control without a struggle. A "sit in" or "hunger strike" will not work, you would have to be ready to give your life for this change and i do not believe the men of this country have the balls for this quite yet.

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I have to disagree with you there, your country was bult on screwing natives

Originally posted by Dionisius
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I have to disagree with you there, your country was bult on screwing natives

What? This coming from someone who is from the UK??? Screwing natives? People have been screwing each other from the dawn of time - what makes this instance any more wrong or right???

Originally posted by Dionisius
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I have to disagree with you there, your country was bult on screwing natives

LOL. Here comes the commie and the usual party slogans.

Personally, I believe the system can work. The problem is corruption in DC. We should have set term limits on ALL government politicians - two terms max and you can NEVER run again and you CANNOT become employed by a lobby group. They should also make it standard that all politicos can have their phones tapped or accounts investigated by any of the agencies at any time for any reason.

I feel sorry for the UK especially, this country has some of the worst socialist/Marxist policies. These policies are destroying their country, at least in America we have ample opposition to this madness. UK culture is fading but that's what the Marxists want to happen. The funny thing is that there are Brittans that are helping it along by pushing their multicultural Marxist beliefs down peoples throats.

Originally posted by pityocamptes

Originally posted by SirMike
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Luck has nothing to do with retirement ... good planning and saving does.

You are right, except you left out the all including factor - your money is backed by the full faith of the government and nothing else, your stocks are at the whim of the market and global investors. So even if you do everything right - you can still come out a massive loser with nothing to show for it... oh, and then their is inflation which can eat away what you have saved. So really, it does come down to luck or the ebb and flow of the global banking autocracy...

Luck is the intersection of opportunity and hard work. If you want to figure out how to retire nicely and have your assets weather nearly any storm (minus a comet impact or something) go talk to a good financial advisor because its pretty clear to be you don’t have the first clue about it. If you do everything right, there is a chance you might lose out ... or be hit by a bus as both outcomes are equally likely.

Your rant makes you sound like you are preparing a concession speech for an imminent failure.

Originally posted by SirMike

Originally posted by pityocamptes

Originally posted by SirMike
reply to post by pityocamptes

 

Luck has nothing to do with retirement ... good planning and saving does.

You are right, except you left out the all including factor - your money is backed by the full faith of the government and nothing else, your stocks are at the whim of the market and global investors. So even if you do everything right - you can still come out a massive loser with nothing to show for it... oh, and then their is inflation which can eat away what you have saved. So really, it does come down to luck or the ebb and flow of the global banking autocracy...

Luck is the intersection of opportunity and hard work. If you want to figure out how to retire nicely and have your assets weather nearly any storm (minus a comet impact or something) go talk to a good financial advisor because its pretty clear to be you don’t have the first clue about it. If you do everything right, there is a chance you might lose out ... or be hit by a bus as both outcomes are equally likely.

Your rant makes you sound like you are preparing a concession speech for an imminent failure.

I take it you are not reading what is going on in the world. FRN's are going down in flames. Sucks to be a boomer who is going to lose everything...