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WWII Nazi Concentration Camps Populated By France? Confirmed.

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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Here's a shocker... How many here knew about French collaboration with Nazi Germany in the extermination of Jews durring WWII?

France's role in deporting Jews to Nazi death camps

76,000 French Jews transported towards concentration camps during(WWII)


Pepy made the speech just outside Paris, in Bobigny, from where 22,407 Jews were driven in 21 convoys to The Drancy concentration camp in 1943 and 1944.

SNCF transported 76,000 French Jews towards concentration camps during the war.



In 1939, before the Nazis invaded France, the French government had opened camps. These camps were guarded by the French police and in the summer 1940, all refugees were handed over the Nazis.

The camp of Drancy was a transit camp located not far from Paris. Like many other camps in France, it was created by the government of Philippe PÈtain and was under the control of the French police. In 1941, the first raids against Jews was ordered by the Nazis and conducted by the French police. The victims of these raids were transferred to Drancy.


The Vélodrome d’hiver Round-up: July 16 and 17, 1942


The greatest mass-arrest of Jews ever carried out on French soil is known as the Vél’ d’hiv’ Round-up. It involved 13,000 victims from Paris and its suburbs. Over slightly more than two days, the Round-up involved nearly a third of the 42,000 Jews deported to Polish death camps in 1942. The statistics for this terrible year account for over half of the total 76,000 Jewish deportations from France.


Well, so much for the PRIDE of the French... or, are they, just like all the other Adam Weishaupt zombies complicit in their own treachery?

hmmm...
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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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ty OP...some people dont realize that the anti-jew movement wasnt hitlers idea and well founded in the heads of all europeans...hitler was only the men wo said..."ok, we dont like them - kill'em all"...and everybody joined him...same in 30-50 years with muslims...




"refuses to accept responsibility for its role in the Holocaust."


wow...let me just add that not one railway was bombed by the americans so they could proceed untill the very last moment...and i dont want to start with IBM, Prescott Bush and Coca Cola...america is the biggest lie so far...

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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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Arrgh - California is building a high-speed rail and soliciting foreign companies for the work??? What, no American companies around to do that? How about making it mandatory to put some of our own workers back to work first?

But anyhoo, after reading all the links you posted, the round-ups of Jews in France occurred in 1942-43, well after the occupation with the Nazis (and their Vichy collaborators) in charge. The French camps you speak of were built for Spanish refugees of Franco and were, again, handed over after the occupation began in 1940.


The history of the concentration camps in France is a very difficult and sensitive subject. In 1939, before the Nazis invaded France, the French government had opened camps (like Gurs or Noe) designed to receive the Spanish refugees escaping from the fascist regime of Franco. These camps were guarded by the French police and in the summer 1940, all refugees were handed over the Nazis. They were quickly transferred to various concentration camps in Germany and very few of them survived.


So it's a little different than your implied title - these were French refugee camps that turned into Nazi concentration camps. Not that the French needed any help from Nazis in how to run a brutal camp - the French were notorious for the penal colonies. The Vichy were willing Nazi collaborators so it's not surprising the Nazis found plenty of willing help. Just about every nation Hitler invaded had willing collaborators.
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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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Remeber not all colaborators were willing,

i know i may get slated for saying it but sometimes it was just the easier and safer option to do the work of the nazi's than find yourself in those camps.

And while we're on the subject what about Hugo boss.. they made there money from nazi germany too, just remebr that the next time you whack on some branded aftershave.

Siemens too they were involved in the construction of the rail systems, and as a poster above mentioned IBM they provided the punch card system for the camps.

One of the big US famalies possibly even the Bush family were selling fuel addatives to the Nazi's for the Luftwaffe



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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A rather notorious trial of 1984 was Klaus Barbie a.k.a. The Butcher Of Lyon

en.wikipedia.org...


He first set up camp at Hôtel Terminus in Lyon. It was his time as head of the Gestapo of Lyon that earned him the name Butcher of Lyon. Evidence suggests that he personally tortured prisoners, men, women, and children alike, by breaking extremities, sexual abuse using dogs, and electroshock among other methods.[1] It is estimated that he was directly responsible for the deaths of up to 14,000 people.[2][3] The most infamous case is the arrest and torture of Jean Moulin, one of the highest-ranking members of the French Resistance. In April 1944, Barbie ordered the deportation to Auschwitz of a group of 44 Jewish children from an orphanage at Izieu.


Part of his escape clause was laws written to protect French citizens from culpability in the excesses of the Vichy regime


At the trial Barbie received support not only from Nazi apologists like François Genoud, but also from leftist lawyer Jacques Vergès.



Vergès had a reputation for attacking the French political system, particularly in the French colonial empire. His strategy at the trial was to use it to expose war crimes committed by France since 1945. Indeed, many of the charges against Barbie were dropped, thanks to the legislation that had protected people accused of crimes under the Vichy regime and in French Algeria. Vergès further argued that Barbie's actions were no worse than the ordinary actions of colonialists worldwide


Here we get to America's involvement with this particular nazi War Criminal


n 1947, Barbie became an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC).[4] In 1951, he fled to Juan Peron's Argentina with the help of a ratline organized by U.S. intelligence services[5] and the Ustashi Roman Catholic priest Krunoslav Draganović. Asked by Barbie why he was going out of his way to help him escape, Draganovic responded, "We have to maintain a sort of moral reserve on which we can draw in the future."

The last sentence of the quote I find particularly chilling. Coming from a man like this.


Draganović was a controversial and mysterious figure, who is central to many allegations involving the Vatican Bank, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the Nazi Party. Declassified CIA documents confirm that Draganović was a member of the Ustase, a far-right Nazi-affiliated Croatian fascist organisation that was given control of Croatia by the Axis powers in 1941. Draganović has been accused of laundering the Ustashe's treasure of jewelry and other items stolen from Ustaše victims in Croatia.

en.wikipedia.org....


Pavelic's right hand man in the Genocide of Orthodox Christians by the Catholic Church.

To ignore these networks of Genocide, robbery and murder is to be complicit in our own demise either individually or as societies that can lay any claim to be civilized.
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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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The Holocaust was International,
nearly all European States and the US and Russia have dirty Hands,
even the Dutch, the Swiss and even Norway!

To reduce or see Fascism just as a German Problem is wrong.

You know, the Anti-Zionists was working very well in the '20 and '30 of the last Century
and we need to take care that we do not make the same horrible Mistake again!



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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The Holocaust was International,
nearly all European States and the US and Russia have dirty Hands,
even the Dutch, the Swiss and even Norway!

To reduce or see Fascism just as a German Problem is wrong.

You know, the Anti-Zionists was working very well in the '20 and '30 of the last Century
and we need to take care that we do not make the same horrible Mistake again!



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Half the Frence joined Hittler after he took over paris but all you hear about from Hollywood is the french risistance forces.

Can we talk about the 20 million russians killed in the camps or would that be racist as it might upset the 6 million figure we are not allowed to talk about.



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Do you have a reliable Source for the 20 Million killed Russians in German KZ's?

I think this Number is too high.



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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acording to this book i got called LIFE world war 2(all of life and times photos and history of ww2) gives statistics at the back as follows
(listed as approximations as the true toil would never be able to really be counted)
battle dead 15 million ,civilian dead and missing 40 million,Wounded Military and civillian 35 million
homeless 28 million,imprisoned 35 million(relevent to op),orphaned 5 million and finally Exterminated 11 million(also ties in) i think its pretty safe to say no ones hands were clean in ww2 or most wars for that factor

www.hitler.org... (i know horrible source name) but thats the death statistics by nations in ww2
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necrometrics.com... death tols of most of the bloodyest conflicts of the 20th century
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Soviet Prisoners of War killed:

Urlanis: 3,912,000
12 March 1995 Times-Picayune: nearly 3.5M
Our Times: 3,300,000
Rummel: 3,100,000
MEDIAN: 3.0-3.1M
Mazower, Dark Continent: 3M
Harper Collins Atlas of the Second World War: 3,000,000
Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1960): 2,000,000 dead and 1,000,000 never accounted for, presumed dead.
Britannica: 2,600,000

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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Thank you for all your input!

One of the reasons why I posted this is revealed in this thread I authored entitled: Adam Weishaupt: I Guess They Lied To You.

This thread discusses the agenda operating in shrouded secrecy that was the direct cause of the atrocities and of the drive that constituted WWII, as it is this same shrouded agenda that's maturing before our very eyes here in America...

What may that be, you ask? The Illuminati are fully prepared, and as such have proceeded to maneuver their pawns and knights for the security of the great Illumination of Mankind...


"...We must do our utmost to procure the advancement of Illuminati into all important civil offices."


"They insinuated themselves into all public offices, and particularly into courts of justice." - Proofs of a Conspiracy - by John Robison, 1798


"Rulers who are members must be promoted through the ranks of the Order only in proportion as they acknowledge the goodness of its great object, and manner of procedure. Its object may be said to be the checking the tyranny of princes, nobles, and priests, and establishing an universal equality of condition and of religion."

Men are unfit as they are, and must be formed; each class must be the school of trial for the next. This will be tedious, because it is hazardous. In the last classes I propose academies under the direction of the Order. This will secure us the adherence of the Literati**. Science shall here be the lure. Only those who are assuredly proper subjects shall be picked out from among the inferior classes for the higher mysteries, which contain the first principles and means of promoting a happy life. No religionist (old world order) must, on any account, be admitted into these: For here we work at the discovery and extirpation of superstition and prejudices. The instructions shall be so conducted that each shall disclose what he thinks he conceals within his own breast, what are his ruling propensities and passions, and how far he has advanced in the command of himself. This will answer all the purposes of auricular confession. And in particular, every person shall be made a spy on another and on all around him. Nothing can escape our sight; by these means we shall readily discover who are contented, and receive with relish the peculiar state-doctrines and religious opinions that are laid before them; and, at last, the trust-worthy alone will be admitted to a participation of the whole maxims and political constitution of the Order. In a council composed of such members we shall labour at the contrivance of means to drive by degrees the enemies of reason and of humanity out of the world, and to establish a peculiar morality and religion fitted for the great Society (new world order) of mankind.


**Literati: ' the educated class'. The higher degrees above the Mastery degree but below that of 'honorary' degree of Sovereign Grand Inspector General, Rex Illuminatus.

How pompous... No wonder the French fit right in... but this agenda is now fully mature and in the process of initiating its second stage... the CAPTURING of the entire species of mankind, the selective debreeding of our 'imperfections', and the genetic reconstitution and mental conditioning of us to become anything these 'Masters' would desire.

Basically, the New World Guinnie Pig...

Here's the problem... some humans aren't going to be converted, because their minds cannot be controlled by fear or suggestion...

Welcome to WWIII, Auchwitz version 2.0... This is your REX 84 wake up call!...


DON'T LET THE ILLUMINATI ZIONIST FASCISTS SUCCEED A SECOND TIME!



Prepare to fight a fight to the death... collect the eyes from each fascist flesh bag you terminate, turn them to look at each other, then skewer them in place so that forevermore ... they must endure looking at themselves, bearing the agony of their inhumanity while remembering utter failure caused by their own ignorance.
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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Lets not forget that France was occupied by the Nazis, I doubt they had a choice.

ALS



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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If your own life depended upon colloberating, you probably would too, on the other hand in secret, you would do what you could to clear your consience.

Many did have those double lives, some even paid with their own lives when they got caught.

Some even got made into movies, Schindlers List comes to mind.

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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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So it's a little different than your implied title - these were French refugee camps that turned into Nazi concentration camps. Not that the French needed any help from Nazis in how to run a brutal camp - the French were notorious for the penal colonies. The Vichy were willing Nazi collaborators so it's not surprising the Nazis found plenty of willing help. Just about every nation Hitler invaded had willing collaborators.


This paragraph contradicts itself... I stated that the French COLLABORATED with the Germans. The French (Not Germans) started rounding up jews ... thousands of jewish children, elderly, and infirm people DIED from a lack of concern by their French Law Enforcement Agent captors pertaining to their health and welfare. But the COLLABORATION didn't stop there:


Head of Government Pierre Laval announced the night before the Vichy Council of Ministers of June 26, 1942 that Jean Leguay, Bosquet’s Deputy for the Occupied Zone, had been summoned by Theodor Dannecker, SS Councilor for Jewish Affairs (Service IV-J). Dannecker, who had been delegated to France by Adolf Eichmann, demanded the transportation of 10,000 Jews from the Southern zone, as had been promised by René Bosquet on June 16, and the arrest of a further 22,000 of which at least 40% were to be French from the Seine and Seine-et-Oise départements. On June 30, upon a fleeting visit to Paris, Eichmann and Dannecker co-signed a declaration “to totally free France of Jews as quickly as possible” (Klarsfeld, 2001).

Disregarding a promise that he should lead a unified police force, on July 2, 1942 René Bousquet agreed to put his men at the disposal of the occupier for the purposes of arresting Jewish foreigners in the two zones. The following day, at the Council of Ministers, Laval announced a census for the Southern zone intended to distinguish French Jews from “the trash sent by the Germans themselves”. Pétain considered the initiative to be “fair” and “that it would be understood by the public at large”.

On July 4, Dannecker implemented a commission presided over by the General-Commissioner for Jewish Affairs, Louis Darquier de Pellepoix. The commission brought together the heads of various French organizations involved in round-up preparations and set-up a visit of the Southern zone camps by a German delegation. On the same day, Laval suggested to Helmut Knochen, Head of Security Policy and the SS Information Service (SiPo-SD), that children should be deported as well, in order to appease public opinion which could be shocked by the breaking up of families (Joly, 2006). He repeated his suggestion the following day (July 5) to Knochen’s Deputy, General Oberg.


The Vélodrome d’hiver Round-up - courtesy of Michel Laffitte, FRENCH Professor of History

So the French even went so far as to fake their COLLABORATIVE roundup of jews by declaring it a 'census'.

Those are the facts Jack... Confirmed!



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
Lets not forget that France was occupied by the Nazis, I doubt they had a choice.

ALS


Everyone has a choice. When it comes to selling out another human being because of race to save your own neck, I guess the path of least resistance justifies aiding and abetting in the genocidal murder of women and children, right?



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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It may not be quite PC to say this but the fact is that the vast majority of French people simply accepted German occupation and just got on with their lives as if nothing had happened.
And despite what Hollywood etc may have us believe far more French actively collaborated with the Germans than were involved with The Resistance or fought with The Free French.
In addition The Resistance was riddled with internal differences and rivalries which led to a lack of co-operation and cohesion and even the occasional betrayal.

So, all things considered, does this surprise me?
Definately not.

Would it have been any different here in the UK if The Germans had successfully invaded here?
I would like to think so.
As a nation we are far more resillient and I think we would certainly put aside our differences to fight the common foe.
But I also know enough about people to know that we aren't that different and there would still be a significant amount of collaboration.
It's called survival.

Do people take Adam Weishaupt seriously?
I read The Illuminatus Trilogy many years ago and I wasn't sure whether to take it seriously or if it was intended to be humorous?
Perhaps I should read it again?



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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I guess the path of least resistance justifies aiding and abetting in the genocidal murder of women and children, right?


I wouldn't say justified but in the position of "yours or theirs" not many people would choose "theirs". I know I wouldn't have the strength.

Would you?

ALS




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