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Oslo Bombing Video Fakery

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posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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Someone is trying to discredit the term False Flag.

Strange pictures, yes.
False flag, no.

Mods should ban the term false flag in this thread, imo.




posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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I agree. It was a faked false flag. Occam's razor dictates.


Again I was just joking, I don’t actually think it was a false flag, I was just poking fun at the ridiculous notion that you can uncover a massive conspiracy by picking up on a few irrelevant features in some photos, like someone looking “like a wrong’un” and blowing them all out of proportion.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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That large hand is the only thing in the original OP that looks remotely strange. The people in the first video could have been in shock, but it could have been fake too.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Every time I decide to go and visit Skunk Works, it's threads like these that make me walk right back out.

Nothing but over analyzing perfectly explainable photographic anomalies resulting from low quality digital imaging and perspective.

I'm out.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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First of all Flag for you for being brave enough to bring this up as I feel after other world events this type of questioning will be an automatic for some.

The picture with the two EMT's and the photographer carrying the the blonde. Those feet ARE added in!! I do a lot of digital manipulations as part of my profession and over the years I have an eagle eye for things that look out of place.

1. The angle of the feet and where the toes point are out of place with the angle / position of her legs.

2. They're also a lighter tone than her skin color ( I know people will think about not having a tan on her feet etc but it's more than just the tan. The texture / pattern also is wrong)

3. And the guy who appears to be holding her legs....Actually is not.he seems to be holding a jacket instead. in proportion to his hands and the angle of her legs she would have to have some seriously deformed legs for him to hold them.

4. And if you had a pair of legs clamped between your thighs wouldn't you expect some sort of shadow to be cast on them.....I don't see any.

I shall now carry on lurking in the shadows



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Oh for god's sake people.

Sometimes a bomb is just a bomb, not a conspiracy. Get over it.

If you're seeing conspiracy in every single news event, you've been completely brainwashed by the likes of Alex Jones.

You're not awake, you've simply joined another flock.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by pshea38
 


That large hand is the only thing in the original OP that looks remotely strange. The people in the first video could have been in shock, but it could have been fake too.


And the hand isn't large - the clothing is casting a shadow.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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I think it is just an odd angle with her feet.

I think her knees are pull up towards her stomach and her legs hanging down outside of and against the medics left leg.

It looks odd, but I think it is just the angle.

As for the big woman, well, some women are big. If it is being suggested that she is large and out of proportion due to photo shopping, well, that is a possibility.

EDIT: Hmmm, after another look the fabric of the mans pants do suggest her feet are between her legs. He does seem to be holding her from under he knees. Perhaps they are standing still and he is trying to keep her in a stable position.
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posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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This has to be one of the most ridiculous topics I've ever come across on ATS. Sorry, but before you run around blowing the conspiracy whistle you need to have more talking points than "looks a wrong-un" and the the clothing being worn on the scene. I cannot comprehend how someone can think they are busting up a huge conspiracy based on these ridiculous notes. I believe that possibly this terrorist (oh wait can't call a him terrorist because he's a white christian) - ahem, I mean perpetrator, definitely had some help planning and possibly implementing this attack. Other than that there is nothing strange to me about this event, sometimes people are just bad. You need to accept that and stop crying false flag at every single disaster, some of them MAY be just that but you are making this community look pathetic with topics like these. And the Japanese disaster being staged? Give me a break, you've lost any shred of credibility you could have possibly possessed before this topic.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Here is a great article about Norway's political response to the bombing at salon.com

In summary the articles states how Norway's political solution is more democracy and political inclusion instead of heightened security and less personal freedom.

It is sad that democracy and freedom are considered abroad to be un-American.

Link Here Salon.com An un-American response



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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I live in Oslo, and find the claims of this being a false flag inappropriate, disturbing even, as you seem to be detached from reality. There is nothing at all resembling a false flag attack here. Please don´t post anymore of this deranged drivel. Thank you



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
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Personly I see nothing wrong with any of this...and I'm quite surprised anyone else would. The first part about the multiple shots all looking exactly the same is incredibly simple to explain. It was simply the same shot....used over and over again. Most likely a still from the video. Footage of an event shot as it happens is incredibly rare....the video was likely used over and over again...with slight alterations (cropping....color saturation...etc) simply to make it look different. Nothing odd about that...News agencies do that all the time. In fact it would be FAR MORE suspicious if they indeed had a multitude of shots from different angles! That would imply they knew it was going to happen!

As for the audio overlapping the video edit in the second clip.....Are you serious? That's one of the most normal video editing techniques there is. I can't imagine you've never seen that before! It simply makes for a more seamless video....the guy who took the footage probably was startled by the boom and turned his camera toward the ground....still capturing the boom, sound...in order to make it work, all one has to do is cut out the unneeded video section...while leaving the audio, and replace the video with a part slightly farther along. Then one can subtlely fade from the old audio to the new....keeping the 'boom' seamless. It's an incredibly simple technique that I learned to do back in High School on anolog video editing equipment. Now days it would be done digitally ......but you don't even need a computer. I could literally edit that together in about five minutes on my iphone!


The last still picture was the worst of all....I sincerly didn't see anything photoshoped or even odd about it. Even assuming it was...what possible reason would someone have for (as an example) replacing a guys hand with an oversized one?!?! That doesn't even make sense as being a bad photoshop....assuming you dropped the image of the guy into the frame...why would you replace his hand?!?! It's just a bizarre idea to even suggest....not that it looked odd to me, mind you. It's just a normal photo...if you look at any normal photo you'll find things that seem odd.....It's a 2d representation of a 3d world. Things get distorted. Not unusual at all.

In all of these clips there was only one thing that looked even slightly odd to me.....and that was the smoke. However, it is important to remember...simply because something looks odd doesn't mean it's faked. In fact a faker would have made the smoke look more uniform. It doesn't take that much talent to make regular looking smoke,...what makes the footage more believable is that the smoke looks a bit odd. In real life, thing don't always look like they do in the movies my friend.....Things often look a tiny bit odder than you'd expect in the real world...but it would be madness to suggest every odd looking thing is a sign of a conspiracy!

edit on 28-7-2011 by bhornbuckle75 because: Spelling error....prob more too...I'm sleepy!



Thanks for the reply. It is not one issue taken in isolation that moves the world. It is when you
consistently get, always associated with false flag events like this (9/11, Madrid and London
bombings), illusion upon peculiarity upon curiosity upon oddity in virtually all video and
photographic evidence produced, and you simply cannot, as a rational being put it all down to chance,
happenstance and co-incidence, more especially when there is a much more viable and
ridiculously, infinitely simpler explanation available in Media Fakery.
For the sake of arguement, assume that all footage produced was generated and faked.
(This is of course very possible, with even basic current technology). How difficult would it be to
prove it real? I actually think it would be very difficult.

From a logistical point of view, the most logical approach for the perpetrators is to fake everything,
including victims, and dispense a BS emotive cover story through their owned, sold-out institution,
the main stream media, allowing them to garner public support and to move forward with their
covert agendas. And this HAS been happening for years, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
The Apollo moon missions and moon landings were amcomplete fabrication, and this can be proven beyond
doubt to any rational, reasonable individual, upon investigation. Yet nearly 50 years later, most of the
worlds populations are none the wiser to this deception, of course mainly because of the complicity
of All main stream media.
I am sure if you go through the link Oslo+Utoya Media Fakery you will agree that an intelligent and rational approach to any potential evidence is taken.
And even should you disagree with some findings, you will not fault the methodology. The extents
and prevelence of media fakery in this age is explored in the rest of the site.

I really cannot explain why such an amateur effort seems to have been put into some aspects of the fakery,
but i am guessing that so few people are even aware of the media fakery line of enquiry that the
perpetrators have little fear of detection, and don't give much of a s**t if a few cotton on. Historical
precedence, you might say.They have the media afterall, and you only need to convince most of
the people, most of the time.
This is a subject where every individual must put in time and effort to understand. It involves
delving through copious amounts of material, and coming to rational, probabilistic (inescapable)
conclusions. This is where the link comes in. I do not want to convince anyone.
I want everyone to convince themselves, if they are interested enough.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Zamini
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Ha! Because i have been told so by proven liars and manipulators?
Erm...Don'tThinkSo.


Alright, that means you are either trolling or mentally unstable. Mods should have a look into it.


None of the above, i'm afraid. The media have lied about JKF, Moon Landings, 9/11, 7/7 to name but a small
few of the bigger lies. And i am unstable because i do not trust them and their spin! Mods my arse!



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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As far as the pics go, and the critique the OP posted, this is unnecessary to me, and not a good case to support this obvious false flag event, so disregard this. There's enough evidence elsewhere to show how blatantly obvious this is.

To ANYONE who doesn't understand this was a false flag, and business as usual for the elite then you need to get a reality check. I find it absolutely hilarious and ironic, when the deniers ridicule and mock the people who are actually awake and aware, and try to make us out to be the weirdos.. Quite ironic, and sad. Because some of us understand how this world works, we're not some tight nit group of weirdos. Accept that.

When something is staged doesn't mean people didn't die, doesn't mean they were acting. It means the event was engineered and made possible by the powers that be. If you still don't understand how this world and society works, how we are all controlled and manipulated by our gov and media then I feel bad for you. Just another person who needs to wake up.. Everyone knows this was a false flag. Same M.O., same fishy stuff going on prior to and around it.

The evidence is right there in front of your faces. The DAY BEFORE, they release that article "white americans as most likely terrorists". Days before they run bomb drills.. Sound familar? LOL.. I couldn't believe it when I found that out. And some people still turning a blind eye.. Let me tell you something, in my experience of researching false flags, 9/11 for years now, one thing is for sure, there are NO such things as coincidences, when it comes to the media and "terrorism".

Believe that.

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posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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The evidence is right there in front of your faces. The DAY BEFORE, they release that article "white americans as most likely terrorists". Days before they run bomb drills..


And how does that prove that this was a false flag?



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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this is like 9/11 tv fakery. based on what people want to see rather than there actually being anything of substance.
alot of the claims are wrong. and i am pretty certain the rest can be explained. but when i look at the claims being made in this thread it is not even hard to think of a valid reason for the things being pointed out, or there are claims that simply are not true because people are seeing something that is not there.

i think it is in somebodies interest to start conspiracy theories on the norway event that are stupid so that the mainstream media can latter attack people that do not clutch at straws but can see flaws in the norway event or have valid questions. exactly what happened with 9/11 questions.

somebody asks a question and the media would go, "don't you believe there were no planes?" even though the person asking did not believe that, but the theory was there on the internet and could be used to discredit anybody questioning the offical version of events.

i believe that is what this is the start of. a theory based on inaccurate information or visual observations that the media can use to attck anybody who has valid question about the norway attack.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ctankep
First of all Flag for you for being brave enough to bring this up as I feel after other world events this type of questioning will be an automatic for some.

The picture with the two EMT's and the photographer carrying the the blonde. Those feet ARE added in!! I do a lot of digital manipulations as part of my profession and over the years I have an eagle eye for things that look out of place.

1. The angle of the feet and where the toes point are out of place with the angle / position of her legs.

2. They're also a lighter tone than her skin color ( I know people will think about not having a tan on her feet etc but it's more than just the tan. The texture / pattern also is wrong)

3. And the guy who appears to be holding her legs....Actually is not.he seems to be holding a jacket instead. in proportion to his hands and the angle of her legs she would have to have some seriously deformed legs for him to hold them.

4. And if you had a pair of legs clamped between your thighs wouldn't you expect some sort of shadow to be cast on them.....I don't see any.

I shall now carry on lurking in the shadows


Here is the initial photo again.



Here is the analysis:

[Posted by Tufa]
Once upon a time in Norway, a young girl meet with two police officers and a press photographer in a photo studio. After applying a dose of ketchup on the young girl, a green-screen photo is taken where the girl is being carried away. It is important, for the emotional impact, to include children into the story, so the relative probability of finding young children in front of the government building, compared to politicians and journalists, is ignored. It simply don't work carrying a politician!

We then need a background photo. The photo is blurred so it looks like focus is only good in the front of the picture. The foreground action with the girl is now painted in.



A thin cut-line (A) can be seen to the left of the press photographer in the brown shirt. The hair of the lady-police (B) works rather well; the problem is that the background should shine through the hair. A little white spot is fully acceptable. The flap over the man's face (C) is difficult to see, if you are not checking for errors, and who on earth would do that!? The square ting on the left shoulder of the man, is a window in the background.

The picture with the hurt girl is a composite.
(A) cut-line at the back of the photographer's shirt
(B) Almost OK hair
(C) The face of the man was painted over.





Viewing the finished composite, we note that the left and right concrete obstacles are significantly lighter compared to the middle one (between the legs of the two police men). (If you cannot see the right obstacle, use "Show picture" ADMIN: there is a CSS in the livingroom thread).

The perspective can be a problem, and we see in the resulting composite that the by-standers in the back becomes a little too big compared to the foreground action. Since the background action is completely separate, the ladies at the back is not looking at the policemen, the half-dead girl, or the press photographer snapping the picture.


This proves it is a composite. The feet are pasted in.

[Posted by Simonshack]




** You will need to see the whole pictures as they are not showing here.

This is a reasonable and highly likely explanation. This case is riddled with flawed
photographs and video. If one image is false, why not all? Then to the next logical
step. If a part of it is faked, why not all of it, victims included. It is only by delving deeper
that you may discover that this may indeed be the very case.(again!)
For the life of me I cannot see why people are not super alert to this distinct
possibility and indeed reality. Ah well! The name calling of me here is irrelevent.
It just sad that people won't see the tricks being pulled on them, and then they wonder
why they see their world going into serious decline around them.
For more Fakery analysis of this event www.cluesforum.info...



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by Perplexity
This has to be one of the most ridiculous topics I've ever come across on ATS. Sorry, but before you run around blowing the conspiracy whistle you need to have more talking points than "looks a wrong-un" and the the clothing being worn on the scene. I cannot comprehend how someone can think they are busting up a huge conspiracy based on these ridiculous notes. I believe that possibly this terrorist (oh wait can't call a him terrorist because he's a white christian) - ahem, I mean perpetrator, definitely had some help planning and possibly implementing this attack. Other than that there is nothing strange to me about this event, sometimes people are just bad. You need to accept that and stop crying false flag at every single disaster, some of them MAY be just that but you are making this community look pathetic with topics like these. And the Japanese disaster being staged? Give me a break, you've lost any shred of credibility you could have possibly possessed before this topic.


Really? Oh well. I wonder what you would do if you found out that the 'murderer' is a simulated
character with no real existence? Look into it! All images of Breivik are computer generated.
And there are very few in existence.
Explain the anomalies with the photo above.
Tell me it is impossible that the photo is faked. and i won't believe you.
You unquestioningly believe all you are told by the MSM eh? Is it more fool me or you, I wonder?
Actually I don't wonder.
There was a minor earthquake in japan but no tsunami. All the footage released was
CGI and no-one seems to give a s**t. Did the video i posted a few pages back not convince
you? I bet you didn't look at it, yet still you condemn. How foolish, if you live by this principle.
Credibility my arse!

A one eyed man is king in the land of the blind.
'I had no way, and therefore want no eyes. I stumbled when i saw'.
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posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by ProphetOfZeal
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As far as the pics go, and the critique the OP posted, this is unnecessary to me, and not a good case to support this obvious false flag event, so disregard this. There's enough evidence elsewhere to show how blatantly obvious this is.

To ANYONE who doesn't understand this was a false flag, and business as usual for the elite then you need to get a reality check. I find it absolutely hilarious and ironic, when the deniers ridicule and mock the people who are actually awake and aware, and try to make us out to be the weirdos.. Quite ironic, and sad. Because some of us understand how this world works, we're not some tight nit group of weirdos. Accept that.

When something is staged doesn't mean people didn't die, doesn't mean they were acting. It means the event was engineered and made possible by the powers that be. If you still don't understand how this world and society works, how we are all controlled and manipulated by our gov and media then I feel bad for you. Just another person who needs to wake up.. Everyone knows this was a false flag. Same M.O., same fishy stuff going on prior to and around it.

The evidence is right there in front of your faces. The DAY BEFORE, they release that article "white americans as most likely terrorists". Days before they run bomb drills.. Sound familar? LOL.. I couldn't believe it when I found that out. And some people still turning a blind eye.. Let me tell you something, in my experience of researching false flags, 9/11 for years now, one thing is for sure, there are NO such things as coincidences, when it comes to the media and "terrorism".

Believe that.

edit on 28-7-2011 by ProphetOfZeal because: (no reason given)

edit on 28-7-2011 by ProphetOfZeal because: (no reason given)


It make more logistical sense if no-one dies is all. 9/11 is without a doubt a false flag
operation, as more and more damning evidence has amassed. Where are all (or assuredly a
large percentage) of the thousands and thousands of victim family members who are up in
armsand baying ffor blood? I would be if it was my son! Yet all you see (not so much
anymore, as some have retired or given up the fight!) are the same few faces,
saying the same old stuff, hosting on their lapels the same old proven photoshopped
images of their supposed loved one.
All BS. These people are (terrible) actors. It makes more sense to fake everything,
eliminating unwanted repercussions from the backlashes and complications of real
loss of life. It is also assuredly easier to get more people on board this way.
I also understand that there are the bigger issues that you raise. It doesn't matter
how they did it, fake or real, they did it. These faked false attacks are a means to some end.
50 years after JFK and the Criminals have gotten away with it, despite overwhelming evidence.
Same with 9/11. What's it going to take to get people to take action, i don't know.

It is vital that people learn the true prevalence of media fakery and the extents of
its incorporation into news stories and events worldwide.
The irony might be that people will be so enraged on dicovering that, for instance,
NO-ONE died on 9/11, that all the footage released was faked, and that they were
punked bigtime, that they won't be able to not take drastic retalitory action.
And yes, i know i may get abuse for saying this, but it is almost certainly true.


Every American citizen has the blood of 1.5million+(?) murdered innocent children, women
and men on their hands. Their government represents them and act on their behalf.
This is NOT fake, but very, very REAL.
And you are right. This horror is the bottom line.



posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Now that you have proven that this is all faked then can you tell us how it was done? I mean that question about the locations come to mind first.



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