posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 01:30 PM
Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by TinfoilTP
Lol you guys are funny, and actually, I'm right!
Unless you think ddos is something else?
What I'm asking is at what point does this become illegal?
If a website goes down to ddos, then everyone else who is attempting to access that website is helping, by sending more requests to their servers.
Should we arrest them?
Good luck proving these kids willingly helped and weren't hacked by super hackers to make them part of e botnet.
Also, good riddance to you too since you seem to enjoy sticking up for the man. IMO, all of You pro-pay pal people are just as bad by supporting a
company that would seek to cut off funding to an organization that is exposing corruption. You have obviously picked your side, now get back on your
1) right is subjective.
2) I can refresh my browser to the same line. I can only do that so often unless I script or use a script that allows me to do it more. To my
understanding DDOS does not do anything to the target server, other than to flood it with requests. If there are enough requests then the server goes
down due to bandwith limits. Do I have it right?
3) I would think that it is illegal when used to disrupt legal activities. Please see my previous post in this thread.
4) That would really depend on how they are trying to access it. They keep logs showing IPs and such. They know the difference between someone trying
to DDOS and the regular Joe who is trying to access his info due to the difference in the sheer number of requests.
5) Back to logs and forensics.
On a previous post in a different thread, I asked some questions that were not answered with regards to Operations Security and the use of flawed
tools (some of which are purposely re-engineered by "th3j35t3r) For the record
First here is the article that broke the news of my little ‘infection’, which in turn has prompted Anon to create the above
The video states that I infected LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon) – this is actually incorrect, I infected their ‘new improved tool’ DHN.zip – as
is clearly stated in the above article, I also made sure that Anonymous knew that I had infected the new DHN.zip in order to ‘play fair’ – I
gave fair warning – so it would have been a bad choice on the part of a user to use it or indeed for anonymous to advise people to use it.
Now back to LOIC the tool that which anon continues to distribute to their unwitting followers. I had no need to ‘infect’ LOIC as it was already
a flawed and sloppily coded ‘play-thing’. It already gave up users details without any intervention from myself. I proved this here weeks ago
(before the Tunis saga) and it is in fact fairly widely known that LOIC will drop you in the brown stuff. Yet they still pushed it out to their
followers who employed it against Mastercard, Paypal and more recently the Tunisian Government.
So who exactly is putting people at risk here Anon?
IRc seems to have some security issues too.
My point I guess would be that if this is indeed a "war": That some are giving others a flawed weapon and no real training. I guess they are just
acceptable losses or cannon fodder.
My message is simple, however I will try to simplify it further so the likes of Anonymous can understand. Its more a message to those thinking of
hooking up with them, rather than those who have already.
Anonymous require many people to carry out their ‘work’ they ask others to do their dirty work while at the same time providing no protection.
LOIC is flawed and will expose you as you will see from figure 1 below. Anonymous official advice if a user gets busted is to ‘claim you were
infected with malware’ (lolz).
Anonymous/4chan are many – I am one, I ask for no help, and would not accept it as has been demonstrated for fear of ruining a good persons life.
For those that want, there is a lot of information in this blog. If you aren't familiar, I would recommend that you start at the first things written
and go to the newest stuff.
If I am wrong (subjective here) and you are right (subjective too), please answer.
edit on 27-7-2011 by pwndnewb because: fixed link codes