The Holy Spirit is my Proof

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Paul says, what good is speaking which no one understands?

It's not profitable to the church unless there is an interpreter. Some have the gift of interpretation. (1 Cor. 12) Paul said he would sing normally and sing in the Spirit. He would pray normally and pray in the Spirit. Paul says he not only speaks with the tongues of men but "also" the tongues "of angels". (1 Corinthians 13:1) Paul said people who speak in this angelic tongue don't speak to men, but only to God. (1 Corinthians 14:2). Paul also says that "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself" (1 Cor. 14:4), so the unknown tongue of angels to God is "edification" for that believer themselves.

Well this is getting very interesting.
Let me quote the verse:
The one who speaks in a tongue builds himself up, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

You, as usual, instead of a direct quote, give your interpretation. Building oneself up is not necessarily a good thing. Otherwise, Paul may have said something like, Don't worry about making sense and building up the group, let's all just build ourselves up. There is something going on here where maybe Paul would like these people to just keep it to themselves.

1) to build a house, erect a building
a) to build (up from the foundation)
b) to restore by building, to rebuild, repair
2) metaph.
a) to found, establish
b) to promote growth in Christian wisdom, affection, grace, virtue, holiness, blessedness
c) to grow in wisdom and piety

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You're mocking and slighting our judgment before the Lord for rewards of loss thereof.

You are doing it again, but now that you mention it, I would like to take this opportunity to slight it, but what I meant was that a judgement is not a judgement if the outcome is preordained. As for slighting, I already said this is a fantasy you have adopted from somewhere to explain away all the verses that clearly describe a judgement of life and death for believers as well as non-believers.

You see heaven as the goal, as the finish line. Heaven and eternal life in Christ is the starting line. It's the beginning. Salvation is easy, it take simple faith like a child. Sanctification and glorification is a lifelong process and takes dedication, faithful service to the Lord, and a great deal of love.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Because perhaps you've presented no Biblical; support for your theory. I'll go with Paul's words. No offense.

Let me quote your earlier post where you present your theory.

The Greek term is "Bema" or "Bhema" which is a term for "judgment" in English that fits more with a judge of a sporting event for the purpose of rewards. Olympians in Greece were judged for gold, silver, and bronze from judges on a "Bema" seat. The term for the judgment of the dead at the end of Christ's 1,000 year reign on Earth, when the dead are resurrected is a different Greek word than "Bema", it translates as "crisis" and correlates with a judge at a trial. The dead's works are judged at this different judgment. In Revelation this judgment happens on Earth and at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. This is the resurrection and judgment of "the dead", which is an alegorical term used throughout the Bible for the wicked, the condemned, those spiritually dead.

It is a bunch of theory and there are no quotes from Paul. I looked at every quote any of those people on their blogs you linked to had and there was only one verse that could even remotely linked the way you try to do, and that was obviously not about any arena or anything else or that it was anything like a public venue.
The real quotes are the ones I gave you before which you ignored, I guess because you did not like them and wanted to make them go away or something.

One of the prominent doctrines of the New Testament is the Doctrine of Rewards and the Judgment Seat of Christ. It is a doctrine often ignored or, when taught, it is misrepresented because of the term “judgment” that is used in translating the Greek text. Commenting on this Samuel Hoyt writes:

Within the church today there exists considerable confusion and debate regarding the exact nature of the examination at the judgment seat of Christ. The expression “the judgment seat of Christ” in the English Bible has tended to cause some to draw Text Redthe wrong conclusion about the nature and purpose of this evaluation. A common misconception which arises from this English translation is that God will mete out a just retribution for sins in the believer’s life, and some measure of retributive punishment for sins will result.

As it will be shown below, though it is tremendously serious with eternal ramifications, the judgment seat of Christ is Text Rednot a place and time when the Lord will mete out punishment for sins committed by the child of God. Rather, it is a place where rewards will be given or lost depending on how one has used his or her life for the Lord."

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You see heaven as the goal, as the finish line. Heaven and eternal life in Christ is the starting line. It's the beginning. Salvation is easy, it take simple faith like a child. Sanctification and glorification is a lifelong process and takes dedication, faithful service to the Lord, and a great deal of love.

This is either a bunch of nonsense or another theory. You are creating a fact and presenting it as being real when there is nothing real about it. It is a self delusion which you have created for yourself for one reason or another but it is no self evident truth. You need to be sanctified, right now. You are to be holy, right now. You are to be sinless, right now. Glorification comes later, so don't be mixing these things up. Eternal life is the reward and not stars in your crown or whatever other rubbish is in your delusion.
If you have the slightest, tiny bit of sin in your life, you need to be praying untill it goes away. Be healed of that thing right now and stop making excuses for yourself because you will not enter heaven taking that sin with you.

Sanctification and glorification is a lifelong process and takes dedication, faithful service to the Lord, and a great deal of love.

You believe in works righteousness, I adhere to gifted righteousness. How's being prefect working out for you?

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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You believe in works righteousness, I adhere to gifted righteousness. How's being prefect working out for you?

Right, you believe in a delusion and I believe in something real. Being perfect is great and I recommend it to everyone. How is being a sinner working out for you?

Yes, I'm referring to the last half of Luke 18. He says the same. That a person who wants to do works to inherit eternal life has to be perfect. The apostles even ask how it's possible that anyone at all can be saved. Jesus goes on to say it's "impossible" for man to be perfect, but with God all things are possible. God saves us. It's a work of the Holy Spirit in regenerating us. A work of Christ for His sacrifice. And a works of the father in sanctifying us and predestinating us to conform to the image of Christ.

Yeah JM, sorry, your claims are falling on deaf ears. I'm sure Paul didn't mean that anyone who utters those words have the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Romans 10:13 ~ "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved ."
Acts 2:21 ~ "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Mark 16:16 ~ "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
John 1:12 ~ “But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.”
Acts 16:30-31 ~ "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, BelieveWhite]Text White on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Whosoever includes me and you and everyone else. Shall be saved means not maybe, nor can be saved, but shall be saved.

Wrong again:

Our rewards/crowns are going to be thrown to the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You have no sin? You're sinless?

I repent daily.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Yes, I'm referring to the last half of Luke 18. He says the same. That a person who wants to do works to inherit eternal life has to be perfect. The apostles even ask how it's possible that anyone at all can be saved. Jesus goes on to say it's "impossible" for man to be perfect, but with God all things are possible. God saves us. It's a work of the Holy Spirit in regenerating us. A work of Christ for His sacrifice. And a works of the father in sanctifying us and predestinating us to conform to the image of Christ.

No.
This is not the verse I was quoting and you are just making a bunch of stuff up.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Yeah JM, sorry, your claims are falling on deaf ears. I'm sure Paul didn't mean that anyone who utters those words have the Holy Spirit.

Then why did you cite the verse if it has nothing to do with what you were talking about?
And you apparently are good at having deaf ears.