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Breiviks defense lawyer says Breivik is insane.

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posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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You seem to have a pretty decent grasp on the intentions of this guy (maybe not being what they were actually outlined to be) and the implications it will have. I'd like to read a full opinion and synopsis of events if you ever feel like writing a bunch (lol) in this thread or a new one.




posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
Yup hes insane....for wanting a better country for his future generations to live in.


Yup, he certainly did a GOOD job making Norway a better country!

By the way...taken your meds today? Please do!


Its an opinion, you have yours, and i have my own.

Like i said....i didnt agree with the way he did things but i can see where he is coming from if this is about muslims/islam taking over nations.

I live in England, and we are facing the same problems with Islam in our country....except...no one talks about it for fear of being called a racist!! IF people were allowed to debate this sort of thing in the house of commons im pretty sure situations like this would not happen. Its because our governments palm us off with BS all the time, and tell us they are helping us....when infact they are ruining our country!

No need to take meds dude, im perfectly sane and happy without chemicals/poison
....just a difference of opinion



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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I agree that there is to much problem in telling what you feel against foreigners.

Still there isnt any reason to say they are #ing black morons bla bla bla keep it constructive. There is also good people from other countries as well.


Thanks,



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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I think the Norway officials fear any public declaration that he is not insane from any medically qualified medical staff trained and certified in such areas of mental evaluation.

To circumvent that eventual mental evaluation that will be done and eventually released, it could very well be a year if ever before such factual evidence is made public to the international community at large, but none the less, they fear that eventuality and have moved on countering its effect on the public.

I see in this announcement as a knee jerk response which shows an eager need to discredit, to vilify the shooter to the public as that of someone who is obviously insane. They know the public will repeat insane like some football game mantra where the roar of the crowd eagerly chants....In Sane...In Sane...In Sane. They even know the media will repeat it day and night and have experts talking endlessly about his insanity.

Such a insane defense from a legalistic point of view allows from the moment the insanity accusation sticks, that is when the government propaganda and the defense attorney's actions of such a public declaration about his client would have proven itself successful, because anything the shooter states that is factual and truthful from the moment he is allowed to make statements if ever, will be in effect, already be discredited.

Both the shooter and Norway know they cannot allow the public to be informed of his defense and or allow any introduction of facts or evidence of such allegations of truth because of serious political ramifications.

He claims that he not guilty because he is a warrior fighting and setting an example of what all of us should be doing by example to save ourselves and our fellow countrymen, because in such a "War" that he foresees and which he can prove is coming, he knows he will be proven somewhat correct by the actions he took, whether we like them or not.

While the shooter understands this dilemma, I am certain that if allowed to prove his case in court that he would be proven correct. Not in the manner by which he took murderous action, but by the revelation that there is a war going on and that to strike back at your sworn enemy is not a crime while committed in an officially declared action of that specific Gog Magog war.

While this ideology may get lost and may be too cerebral for the common fluoridated masses, it does serve a political dilemma that has the ability to undermine many areas of politics and global ambitions being pursued by those that would plan and execute such a diabolical plan on such a grand scale.

The shooter wants to a public trial and while this at first did not concern me, I now see that the defense lawyer has begun a discrediting campaign while claiming it is a defense move for his client to now publicly say that the shooter, his client is insane. Everyone will agree

How his lawyer did this without any qualified expert to testify to such a statement tells me that the shooter has an attorney that in effect represents Norway's government best interests or it could be some Masonic gesture.

I don't know, but I do know that the truth of the shooters motives pose a serious problem politically and internationally concern because the shooter wants to clearly and factually prove there is indeed a war that he is participating in and is eager to prove who exactly that enemy is, by name and prove his allegations.

He wants to loudly proclaim and unequivocally prove who the enemy is in this war. He believes all of Europeans are currently in danger from an enemy that is sworn to cut their heads off.

It is that factual proof of an enemy and a war that must never be made public and Norway officials know it could begin a series of national European mainland problems that would spread like a plague of violence into the rest of Europe, thus beginning a more open war as opposed to the existing silent and almost invisible war currently being waged by those parties and governments of those involved in this ongoing silent war.

This whole incident is indeed a quagmire, but it also something that has been cleverly orchestrated into existence and into our front pages. It has not been done by a single man, it is part of something bigger and the sooner we know what that could be, the sooner we can expect what will be happening next without it surprising us like some jack n the box when suddenly it raises and "POPS" out it ugly little clown head giving us a startle.

I say, it has only just begun to get interesting. Let's pray that no more senseless killings are committed as an offshoot of this trial,but something already tells me that could be a future problem that has already been planned by those that planned, coordinated and executed this Norway bombing and shooting of so many innocent teenagers and kids.



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Hilltaker
reply to post by loves a conspiricy
 


I agree that there is to much problem in telling what you feel against foreigners.

Still there isnt any reason to say they are #ing black morons bla bla bla keep it constructive. There is also good people from other countries as well.


Thanks,


I dont go around calling people [nword] and black ba****s.....why would you assume that from what i wrote?

I know there are clever, good people from all backgrounds. I was almost murdered by 5 WHITE dudes back in march.....there is evil in all races.

Im not racist, BUT i do dislike what our government has done to OUR country with its stupid immigration policies!

If i were from Iran or some other hell hole and i was given a house, car, money, food, education, health care....for nothing....id get on a boat and come here too.

Immigrants are entitled to more than a person who was born here and lived here all their lives! Thats whats wrong



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:50 AM
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He can't prove that.. if he thinks he can then he is indeed crazy. You come off a little crazy here too.



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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Insane or whatever the guy is, in the end as long as some justice is made.

P.s
It's good to see you hang around, and also answer questions.

S&F




posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Thanks mate that meens a lot.


Ask away and I´ll do my best to research and post the information.

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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To me, he's a normal human idealist caught in high gear, unable to slow himself. In other words, he's an extremist. What makes an extremist? I'm not sure. Is he evil? I think evil is an overused word. I think we're all evil we just never get to that stage where it's on full display. For that to happen you either need extremism or insanity - an inability to control impulses. And no matter how much we hate this man BECAUSE he's evil, it can never erase what happened or bring justice to those who're lost. Remember that when you call this man evil!!!!! You're making a big hole inside yourself when you start to think in good/evil terms. I think ti's more realistic and smart to think in terms of extremism as evil and socially balanced people as good. This makes us realize that maybe we can improve this situation and not be so focused on our emotions. It's part emotions that made this man go on his rampage! And it's part emotions that will make US go on a rampaging crusade to bring justice the 60+ people he killed! Many innocent people could die inbetween the crusade to bring justice and when the crusade is spent.

What makes somebody lose their impulse control and allows for their idealism to get to such a level where killing other humans who're not directly attacking you is tolerable? I can barely hurt a bug, unless it's a spider or something that comes at me unexpectedly. Killing another human is foreign to me. That's why the war in iraq, afghanistan, and in other countries, frightens me so much.

I do not think they're a complete loss. Saddam was a bad guy. There're terrorist camps in some of those countries because the lack of law and order is being exploited by the extremists. In fact, Afghanistan is a good example of this and I think we're nation building more than anything else to establish something that resembles law and order! There're no doubt attitudes in those countries that threaten peace in this world. They hang gays and people of other religious and do not respect human rights as we know them across the world. Additionally, they do not want to make peace with Israel and it's as though war is predestined in that region.

But the idealism plays a role in all this when you start to examine the benefits AND the losses. Do the benefits outweigh the losses? When we entered into iraq in 2003 to begin war operations, we had decided as a country that the benefits were greater than the losses. But for me it never was clear and that's why I could never support it. In my mind, I saw many innocent people dying in the process. Many of those people would turn on us in ensuing years and we would have to fight them as well. I saw this all back in 2003. I saw a decades long history that had led up to that point. I saw a lot of fudged reasoning to get us into war with them - google Colin Powel and iraq prewar intelligence. 9/11 skewed our minds and made us more liable to start a war simply out of desperation and a need to show strength. Many people in the military industrial complex already wanted the war and didn't need any prewar intelligence anyway! They didn't want democracy, they didn't care what the american people felt, they wanted to bully everyone and call the shots themselves!!!

I'm not sure how all of this happens, but it happens over a long period of time. It's like an avalanche on a mountain. It builds up over a time and then the slightest disturbance sets it off and it cascades down the mountain like a raging floodwater. This man is a individual expression of the wars between nation states. He may be insane, but I believe that evne nations can act insanely during war time situations or in the moments preceding war. War is a desperate thing, it's hell, and it's natural that it requires crazy, out of this world proportions to make it realized. I think mathematicians know more about what starts wars than we do!!!

Don't fear men who look evil, fear men who tell you to sacrifice yourself in the name of good! Because ti's the people who scream the loudest that have the most idealism and that's dangerous! There're many viewpoints about right and wrong on earth. It would help to see all of them and to understand that not all humans agree. We have to seriously weigh the goods and the bads before we start wars or go on careless self-righteous rampages that lead to only pain.

Innocent people dying as collateral have bad memories of their rescuers. It corrupts the whole effort of trying to save them. It makes the pleas of the rescuers ring hollow. We need more reserve, not strength. People are too afraid to think because they think that giving that impression is somehow weak or vulnerable. Don't let peer pressure push you to do things you do not want to do at the time. Don't let fear of ridicule stop you from being who you're! You have to stand up to the big people and hte crowd to say what you feel is true and to be willing to not harm others in the process to prove your sincerity and values! No fist or spilled blood ever taught humans how to be good or how to be smart or how to understand your argument!

This norway killer is a lesson to all of us to be more balanced and more tolerant and less inclinced to participate in killing sprees of all kinds. Tasting blood does not make us better people.

Before we start making wars with muslim-dominated countries that have no sense of human rights in a modern sense and have a backwards view of Israel and peace and values, we need to stop and think for a moment befoe we commit to guns and bombs and, metaphorically, land on Utoya and shoot up our enemies. We need to ask: Are they directly attacking us? Is this a pre-emptive war? How many innocents will die and do the people in those countries actually support our efforts to free them from the oppression of their leaders? How much will it cost and should we enact a tax right now or add to the debt instead to pay for this war? Are the benefits in freedom given to the people in these countries greater than the costs of the war? Because if the costs become a burden then the resulting recession may in fact lead to greater dysfunction and instability than the original reasoning for the war that had us so enraged and ready to fight!

I am scandinavian and do not suppoort the views of Breivik. He only represnets himself.
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posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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There has been a talk about a war in the nordic countries, for over 50 years now. There never will be one, because basically we don't have the "guts'n'glory" for it. Everyone here in Scandinavia, go elect "red" (social democrats) on elections, however we all think "blue" as in conservative or right wing at home, and when people work ... they work "illegal" or "black". It is part of the system itself. Voices that say bad things about immigrants, are common in the corridors, but no one dares to voice them out loud. Out in the open, people are kind and smiling.

This is a Norwegian, and he knows all this, by hand. He paints himself in the blue colors. He voices out loud, what people in Scandinavia think and say "at home". He creates a Uniform, that looks like the "kings" Uniform, and puts the mark "traitor" on it. He makes himself the "US Navi elite" Uniform, with distinct "King of Scandinavia" blend. No question on his agenda here. You do not have to be intelligent to know what he is about.

This man, knows as well as anyone. That the "war on terror" has only brought about more Muslims to Scandinavia. And although the Nordic countries "appear" to be open, they are silently pushed to go away by not giving them any jobs. Most of the foreigners that come, open their own business or work in some public area as a governmental support. The official support, goes only so far and most are left unemployed. Sweden is starting to see it's own "slum" areas, as a result.

So you think this guy, thinks he can wake up the Nordic countries to fight? I give him the leverage, of not being that stupid. I give him the leverage, of knowing it's a lost cause. You want me, to go about and say he is a monster? Yes, he is a monster. Think he sees remorse in his actions? I don't think so, anymore than people of scandinavia found remorse in their support for the war on terror, or their support for people like Bildt, who get rich in oil, by seeing other people "removed" from existance. Is it frightening? yes, it is.

Still think this guy is a right-wing-ist? Think this guy spends 300 thousand euros, over three years, and doesn't have a clue of the above? not a chance. People in scandinavia are generally right-wing-ist, but don't dare say it out loud ... today, they've won't ever dare be right-wing-ist.

You have to give your enemies some credit, and consider the fact that the result of their actions, actually was their motive to begin with. Consider, that they may have planned ... just that outcome.



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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Hi,

One other mayor issue is, if you actually are a right-winger out load, you can loose your job and make enemies easy even without being really radical.

Above the Anders Brivik as your guys says, he is not for a second out of sync with his agenda and his messege was delivered and most people knows what he is about. Unfortunetaly the messege will be silented by the analystic people in the press telling that we shouldnt put more weed on the fire.

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 03:53 AM
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I have to say I thought his lawyer looked very 'uncomfortable'. Sort of "why the hell did I get this case?"
Anyone got any background info on the lawyer....his 'sucess' rate, the types of cases he specialises in. Perhaps who his lawyer is would give more indication of where this is headed.

Rainbows
Jane



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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Geir Lippestads largest case is:

Lippestad represented Ole Nicolai Kvisler, there in 2002 got 17 years prisonment for killing Benjamin Hermansen, after the so called: Holmlia-slaying.

Source: da.wikipedia.org...

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Hilltaker
Hi,

Above the Anders Brivik as your guys says, he is not for a second out of sync with his agenda and his messege was delivered and most people knows what he is about. Unfortunetaly the messege will be silented by the analystic people in the press telling that we shouldnt put more weed on the fire.

Thanks,


This guy is a "ruse", and if you don't understand that ... you are just being plain stupid. You are being "religious" and not seeing things straight.

Now, he is starting to "blackmail" the police to reveal his "co-conspirateurs".

His agenda is simple, he hates norway and the nordic countries. He dresses himself in a Uniform, as "a king". He puts forward his ideology,to reflect every scandinavians ideology as they have it "in their living room".

And then he makes you "hate" it ... he is making Scandinavians "hate" themselves, by painting their ideology in blood.

He's already won... that's the hard part to accept.



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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This view of yours is very simplistic, and very politically correct.

I said yesterday "this guy is not alone, don't think he is". Today the papers say "blackmailing cops to reveal his conspirateurs", which is the cops trying to "shake out his co-conspirateurs". Don't think in terms of politically correct, and don't think in terms that your enemies are all stupid and evil. They're not.

This guy isn't stupid, he is a monster, but evil? more evil than GWB, Hitler? The 911 was most logically an internal job, but if the US government had come forth and say "this was an attempt to take the government, or cue", the country would have fallen apart. Instead, they played the "hold the country together" card. And that card is, "there is a foreign enemy, we must prevail". They had been wanting to go to war with Iraq, and end the stalemate in the middle east for decades. As well as end the stalemate in Afghanistan, which was important for "gas to europe" situation. Everybody hated the taliban "anyway". It was a safe bet, so to speak ... it was "let's invade Canada, because the voters are getting restless" comedy scenario. It worked, it always will. For the US, it's important that such acts are done by "crazy nutcases", that they are "una-bombers" and cannot possibly be a conspiracy. Everything marked "conspiracy" is ridiculed, because it threatens the state of the state itself.

In the case of norway this is different. This guy is NOT, I repeat, NOT a right-wingist. If he was, he'd have gone out and killed colored people. Just like right-wingist do. You have the lazer man, and others like that. This guy goes about and hits the social-democratic side of society. It's not because he is rightwingist, but because he is a left-wingist. The social democratic party, in the nordic countries is effectively "right-wing". They are the ones responsible for the privatization. They are the ones supporting the US government and the brits ... they are "left" in name only, and not in action. Sure, they "allow" immigration, but they treat immigrants very badly ... except for political fugitives. And that is an entirely different issue. Apart from that, all the Scandinavian countries are heading towards "denmarkisation".

And you people have to start to think, that your enemies are actually capable of planning things ahead. This guy planned for 3 years, it was not an act made out whim. It was not a lack of impulse control. You don't plan things for years, with total self control in the meantime ... because you lack self control, or lack impulse control. This guy was making a surgery ... and he planned it, well ahead of time.

Stop being stupid, and thinking all your enemies are crazy people and don't know what they're doing. That is a very stupid way of thinking ... try the scenario, that your enemies planned ahead and that the public reaction is precisely what they were planning for. Anything else, wouldn't make sense.
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posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn

Originally posted by Hilltaker
Hi,

Above the Anders Brivik as your guys says, he is not for a second out of sync with his agenda and his messege was delivered and most people knows what he is about. Unfortunetaly the messege will be silented by the analystic people in the press telling that we shouldnt put more weed on the fire.

Thanks,


This guy is a "ruse", and if you don't understand that ... you are just being plain stupid. You are being "religious" and not seeing things straight.

Now, he is starting to "blackmail" the police to reveal his "co-conspirateurs".

His agenda is simple, he hates norway and the nordic countries. He dresses himself in a Uniform, as "a king". He puts forward his ideology,to reflect every scandinavians ideology as they have it "in their living room".

And then he makes you "hate" it ... he is making Scandinavians "hate" themselves, by painting their ideology in blood.

He's already won... that's the hard part to accept.


Hi,

Ok there is a little different oppinions on what excactly his goal was. I think his goal simply very very simply to kill those people sitting around the fire singing we love black samba etc etc.

I am right-winged myself I am not even going to hide that. I do not care what you think about me or my ideas. Howver I would never do something like he did. I would have done it to the turks or to the pakis or to whomever forigner in my country.

The truth though, I dont have what it takes to do it. I dont have the energy and the correct mindset to do something like he did. No matter if I wanted to or not.

It takes not only dedication but also insanity to plan and do what he did. No matter if people thinks he is rationel enough and not insane. I think I would go as far to say I KNOW that he is somehow insane.

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Thank you for that...also found from same source

"Geir Lippestad (born 1964) is a Norwegian lawyer. He has been defence counsel in several high profile cases. In July 2011, he was appointed as defence counsel for Anders Behring Breivik, the admitted perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks.[1][2]

Lippestad also represented Ole Nicolai Kvisler, who was convicted of the racially motivated murder of Benjamin Hermansen in 2002.[3]

Lippestad is a member of the Norwegian Labour Party, and has been deputy chair of its Nordstrand local chapter.[4]"

correct me if I am wrong...but there ain't no way this guy is even going to try defending the shooter. That does not mean I condone what this man did at all.....just saying going by his solicitor/lawyers record.

Rainbows
Jane



posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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insane, eh? i've got just the pill for him to swallow.





posted on Jul, 27 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by angelchemuel
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correct me if I am wrong...but there ain't no way this guy is even going to try defending the shooter. That does not mean I condone what this man did at all.....just saying going by his solicitor/lawyers record.

Rainbows
Jane



I think you are absolutely right.

This guy doesn't stand a chance for any trial in any sense of that word. Here in scandinavia, we may "appear" to have a justice system, but it isn't a democratic justice system. Nobody here is asking questions, nor are the cops looking at a possible "insider job" scenario. They don't care, that there may be several persons alive, who participated in the killings, and are playing the "perfect victim" afterwards. Nobody is questioning the scenario, nobody is looking at anything, except "how do we go about burrying this guy". He "admitted", it's a open and closed case, simple and easy ... too simple, and too easy, almost too good to be true ... and when that occurs, it usually is.

This guy wants an incompetent lawyer, who is going to do a minimal job and going to be happy to see him convicted. No complications, easy thing ... he wants a foreign (most likely swedish) phsyciatrist, who is definately going to say he is nuts. Which means anything he says afterwards, will be dismissed as the ravings of a lunatic. Not admissable as evidence.

Burried, closed. Next.
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posted on Jul, 28 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Hi,

Shoking read today about a Dane there killed 2 people by drunk driving. They estimate his sentence to max 2 years.

If you are going to kill anyone here in the North the old rule drunk driving still applies...

Thanks,




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