To me, he's a normal human idealist caught in high gear, unable to slow himself. In other words, he's an extremist. What makes an extremist? I'm not
sure. Is he evil? I think evil is an overused word. I think we're all evil we just never get to that stage where it's on full display. For that to
happen you either need extremism or insanity - an inability to control impulses. And no matter how much we hate this man BECAUSE he's evil, it can
never erase what happened or bring justice to those who're lost. Remember that when you call this man evil!!!!! You're making a big hole inside
yourself when you start to think in good/evil terms. I think ti's more realistic and smart to think in terms of extremism as evil and socially
balanced people as good. This makes us realize that maybe we can improve this situation and not be so focused on our emotions. It's part emotions that
made this man go on his rampage! And it's part emotions that will make US go on a rampaging crusade to bring justice the 60+ people he killed! Many
innocent people could die inbetween the crusade to bring justice and when the crusade is spent.
What makes somebody lose their impulse control and allows for their idealism to get to such a level where killing other humans who're not directly
attacking you is tolerable? I can barely hurt a bug, unless it's a spider or something that comes at me unexpectedly. Killing another human is foreign
to me. That's why the war in iraq, afghanistan, and in other countries, frightens me so much.
I do not think they're a complete loss. Saddam was a bad guy. There're terrorist camps in some of those countries because the lack of law and order is
being exploited by the extremists. In fact, Afghanistan is a good example of this and I think we're nation building more than anything else to
establish something that resembles law and order! There're no doubt attitudes in those countries that threaten peace in this world. They hang gays and
people of other religious and do not respect human rights as we know them across the world. Additionally, they do not want to make peace with Israel
and it's as though war is predestined in that region.
But the idealism plays a role in all this when you start to examine the benefits AND the losses. Do the benefits outweigh the losses? When we entered
into iraq in 2003 to begin war operations, we had decided as a country that the benefits were greater than the losses. But for me it never was clear
and that's why I could never support it. In my mind, I saw many innocent people dying in the process. Many of those people would turn on us in ensuing
years and we would have to fight them as well. I saw this all back in 2003. I saw a decades long history that had led up to that point. I saw a lot of
fudged reasoning to get us into war with them - google Colin Powel and iraq prewar intelligence. 9/11 skewed our minds and made us more liable to
start a war simply out of desperation and a need to show strength. Many people in the military industrial complex already wanted the war and didn't
need any prewar intelligence anyway! They didn't want democracy, they didn't care what the american people felt, they wanted to bully everyone and
call the shots themselves!!!
I'm not sure how all of this happens, but it happens over a long period of time. It's like an avalanche on a mountain. It builds up over a time and
then the slightest disturbance sets it off and it cascades down the mountain like a raging floodwater. This man is a individual expression of the wars
between nation states. He may be insane, but I believe that evne nations can act insanely during war time situations or in the moments preceding war.
War is a desperate thing, it's hell, and it's natural that it requires crazy, out of this world proportions to make it realized. I think
mathematicians know more about what starts wars than we do!!!
Don't fear men who look evil, fear men who tell you to sacrifice yourself in the name of good! Because ti's the people who scream the loudest that
have the most idealism and that's dangerous! There're many viewpoints about right and wrong on earth. It would help to see all of them and to
understand that not all humans agree. We have to seriously weigh the goods and the bads before we start wars or go on careless self-righteous rampages
that lead to only pain.
Innocent people dying as collateral have bad memories of their rescuers. It corrupts the whole effort of trying to save them. It makes the pleas of
the rescuers ring hollow. We need more reserve, not strength. People are too afraid to think because they think that giving that impression is somehow
weak or vulnerable. Don't let peer pressure push you to do things you do not want to do at the time. Don't let fear of ridicule stop you from being
who you're! You have to stand up to the big people and hte crowd to say what you feel is true and to be willing to not harm others in the process to
prove your sincerity and values! No fist or spilled blood ever taught humans how to be good or how to be smart or how to understand your argument!
This norway killer is a lesson to all of us to be more balanced and more tolerant and less inclinced to participate in killing sprees of all kinds.
Tasting blood does not make us better people.
Before we start making wars with muslim-dominated countries that have no sense of human rights in a modern sense and have a backwards view of Israel
and peace and values, we need to stop and think for a moment befoe we commit to guns and bombs and, metaphorically, land on Utoya and shoot up our
enemies. We need to ask: Are they directly attacking us? Is this a pre-emptive war? How many innocents will die and do the people in those countries
actually support our efforts to free them from the oppression of their leaders? How much will it cost and should we enact a tax right now or add to
the debt instead to pay for this war? Are the benefits in freedom given to the people in these countries greater than the costs of the war? Because if
the costs become a burden then the resulting recession may in fact lead to greater dysfunction and instability than the original reasoning for the war
that had us so enraged and ready to fight!
I am scandinavian and do not suppoort the views of Breivik. He only represnets himself.
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