Glenn Beck likens murdered kids to 'Hitler Youth'

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by JBA2848

 

No i dont agree with a murder, did i say i do? dont get me wrong on that party, but i dont agree of using kids in a politically summer camp.

Do you agree with putting a uniform on them and sending them off to the Middle East with absolutely zero idea of why they are going there? (Because you wouldn't want them politicised would you?).

Do you believe that 'kids' aged 18 to 25 should have no political affiliations or beliefs?

And please don't spout that 'Socialist/Commie' stuff - Most folks haven't got a clue what European socialism is all about - it's actually more a liberal socialism than anything else - and relates to management of the economy more than any other single political issue. But it gets pilloried in the USA as some sort of 'Back door Sovietisation of the western world' (largely due to a Christian Conservative media) - which of course is nonsense.

I'm being presumptuous I know but I suspect the summer camps held by American Young Republicans are 'Ok'? Because that represents a 'good' indoctrination?

Young Republicans

Oz

Disgusting, but coming from Beck, not at all unexpected. Glen has proven himself time and time again to be the lowest sort of scum. He's in good company along with his employers.

I firmly believe that everybody would be so much happier if Glen Beck went back to drinking himself to death.

Typical of Beck - blame the victim.

Beck and his employer Fox - racing to the bottom. What would you expect from a man who calls everyone who doesn't agree with him a Nazi, like the name meant nothing? Too bad he didn't have parents who went through Auschwitz or Treblinka, maybe then he would think twice about calling people Nazis.

reply to post by Ozscot


Your own statements are contradictory. You first stated that they have to participate in the youth camps to become “non ignorant” AKA “educated” about politics. Then you turn around as say that they are attending them to “participate” in politics. Which is it?

You are blurring the lines between education and participation.

Generally, you want education before participation. If they are not educated in politics, then they can not make an “educated decision” as to which party they want to participate in.

When you run make them participate in politics before they are educated by an unbiased source about what the party they are participating in stands for, then you are stepping into the realm of indoctrination..

An education means sitting in a classroom while a professor goes through the history of each party, their platforms, things that have affected those parties over the years and what they have done. Then make the students study and produce reports about those parties. During the education you never have a student participate in an activity related to the stuff they are studying, because you will have problems with students “going native” All studies have to be from a third party point of view.

A good professor should be able to spot when one of his students can’t suppress their biases when writing reports and should tell him to work on it.

If you don’t understand how “thesis”, “antithesis”, and “synthesis” apply to Marxism, communism, and politics in general, then you haven’t been educated.


The reason you can’t differentiate between education, participation, and indoctrination is because your education intentionally left those details out because they undermine the indoctrination process.

Your mental framework, your worldview was constructed without those key distinctions. That is why our position is nonsensical to you. Your mental framework gives no allowances for differentiating between those key concepts. When we try to point out to you that there is a difference, your mind shuts down because it can’t deal with that concept. It doesn’t fit the preexisting framework. The framework that has been built in your mind is rigid, and inflexible. That is why you can’t get past key questions and realize that those questions are nonsensical in the way you frame them.

In regard to a echoed response from all the survivors. Yes, that does show programming. When your emotions are at max, and you are pushed to the limit, your mind devolves to it’s most basic instincts. That tape recorder answer show one thing, that the base level of thought among all the survivors is just a cookie cutter impression. There is no individualism. There is no independence.

I have seen that in plenty of people around where I live. They have a rigid thought process that prevents their understanding of the world from evolving as they grow older.

Just use google and look up the term “educated idiot” and "common sense educated out of them". You will get the idea. Those conditions are a result of indoctrination/programming. They teach you to NOT think for yourself. That allows the educator to lay down a frame work in your mind and fill it with what ever they want.

The hardest thing I have ever done is teach someone to think for themselves again. And even then, if I did not keep after them, they would, sooner or later, fall back to the “I can’t figure it out” I will just have to call someone to get it working.”

Your post show the same underlying mental state as many people I have had to deal with.

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
reply to post by Ozscot

 

Your own statements are contradictory. You first stated that they have to participate in the youth camps to become “non ignorant” AKA “educated” about politics. Then you turn around as say that they are attending them to “participate” in politics. Which is it?

You are blurring the lines between education and participation.

Generally, you want education before participation. If they are not educated in politics, then they can not make an “educated decision” as to which party they want to participate in.

When you run make them participate in politics before they are educated by an unbiased source about what the party they are participating stands for, then you are stepping into the realm of indoctrination..

An education means sitting in a classroom while a professor goes through the history of each party, their platforms, things that have affected those parties over the years and what they have done. Then make the students study and produce reports about those parties. During the education you never have a student participate in an activity related to the stuff they are studying, because you will have problems with students “going native” All studies have to be from a third party point of view.

A good professor should be able to spot when one of his students can’t suppress their biases when writing reports and should tell him to work on it.

If you don’t understand how “thesis”, “antithesis”, and “synthesis” apply to Marxism, communism, and politics in general, then you haven’t been educated.


The reason you can’t differentiate between education, participation, and indoctrination is because your education intentionally left those details out because they undermine the indoctrination process.

Your mental framework, your worldview was constructed without those key distinctions. That is why our position is nonsensical to you. Your mental framework gives no allowances for differentiating between those key concepts. When we try to point out to you that there is a difference, your mind shuts down because it can’t deal with that concept. It doesn’t fit the preexisting framework. The framework that has been built in your mind is rigid, and inflexible. That is why you can’t get past key questions and realize that those questions are nonsensical in the way you frame them.

In regard to a echoed response from all the survivors. Yes, that does show programming. When your emotions are at max, and you are pushed to the limit, your mind devolves to it’s most basic instincts. That tape recorder answer show one thing, that the base level of thought among all the survivors is just a cookie cutter impression. There is no individualism. There is no independence.

I have seen that in plenty of people around where I live. They have a rigid though process that prevents their understanding of the world from evolving as they grow older.

Just use google and look up the term “educated idiot” and "common sense educated out of them". You will get the idea. Those conditions are a result of indoctrination/programming. They teach you to NOT think for yourself. That allows the educator to lay down a frame work in your mind and fill it with what ever they want.

The hardest thing I have ever done is teach someone to think for themselves again. And even then, if I did not keep after them, they would, sooner or later, fall back to the “I can’t figure it out” I will just have to call someone to get it working.”

Your post show the same underlying mental state as many people I have had to deal with.

Dang, all those years I spent in University, all those books I've written, all those folks I've taught, all those Govt policy inputs I've made (for both sides of the fence) - all wasted because I can't actually discern what's education and what's indoctrination.

Thank you for putting me right

Oz

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Well, I'll agree on one point in that it's pretty screwed up for a political party to setup an indoctrination camp for youth. Kids have a hard enough time growing up without being brainwashed, especially by liberals. What's wrong with hiking, swimming, canoeing, dancing and making crafts like a normal summer camp.

teapartystudents.org...
www.youngrepublicans.com...

LIBERALS??.... what the hell are these??

take a look in the mirror before shooting you mouth off. and you wonder why liberals don't believe a word that comes out of a republicans mouth.

Actually there is a Blog I keep under a psuedonym - I raised this whole Glenn Beck issue there and although quite a few folks left comments I thought this one summed it up best...

I suppose Beck thinks the Norwegian Labour Party has the same aims as the German National Socialist Party, ignoring the fact that the only Nazi present was the one, true to his beliefs and those of his intellectual mentors, intent on killing innocent youth. But then maybe he doesn't know how to think. Disparate organisations all over the world hold summers camps for their youth - political, religious, industrial, educational, youth groups, mental health, music - name an activity and there are camps. What alternate universe does this guy Beck inhabit? Show him a summer camp and he thinks Hitler. One very stupid ignorant bastard.

Oz

It's a huge shame about the losses suffered. A stupid man and an evil act. My condolences to those who lost loved ones.

But do remember that Nazism was born out of Socialism. The National Socialist Party certainly made it's mark, and uniforms for political citizens made a permanent impression in our minds.

Originally posted by Dbriefed
It's a huge shame about the losses suffered. A stupid man and an evil act. My condolences to those who lost loved ones.

But do remember that Nazism was born out of Socialism. The National Socialist Party certainly made it's mark, and uniforms for political citizens made a permanent impression in our minds.

None of the 'kids' in Norway wear uniforms or would even desire to wear uniforms representing a political belief - but I'll tell you where they do - There's an army of USA kids waging war in the Middle East right now not just in uniforms but carrying the latest in military killing equipment - and don't for one minute presume they don't represent a political belief - it's precisely why they are there.

Now, you were saying about Norway?

Oz

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The impression MSM gives in the US is what was attacked was a left wing political camp run by the labor or socialist party. Brings to mind a political activist version of the boy scouts.

The middle east war is like a serious game of Risk. It's another proxy war over control of resources between US and growing world power China. Resources were the reason war was fought in the Pacific against Japan, against the North Koreans(and Chinese), and in Vietnam (and Chinese/Russians/Cubans). It's global strategy but not politics as both Democrats and Republicans championed the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions and both parties continue the wars and even start new military engagements in neighboring countries. Bush started two wars and though Obama (Nobel Peace Prize winner) promised to end those within months continued and escalated those and started additional wars or military action against three more countries (Libya, Yemen, Somalia). Pakistan is experiencing constant US military strikes but those are Afghanistan related.