Glenn Beck likens murdered kids to 'Hitler Youth'

Originally posted by Ozscot
RRokky - It would have been good to read your own thoughts and not half a book scribbled by someone who clearly does not understand history nor the evolution of philosophy and economic thought - (or could he be writing for an agenda I wonder?) - Anyway, his description of cultural Marxism is shallower than a Las Vegas grave.

I consider myself pretty Marxist in many areas of political activity, I consider myself pretty conservative in many others and I am what anyone with their half baked ideas of what Marxism represents an 'impossibility' - I'm a Nationalist. This does not however point to a flaw in me - only in how shallow people's understanding of Marxism is. Yes, I've read Das Kapital, Yes I've read the Eighteenth Brumaire and so on and so forth - and guess what? I did so before I had reached 16 years old. Was I indoctrinated? No - I was informed. There are large tracts of Marx which even he himself felt were 'debatable', open to opinion, possibly wrong - but of course everything he ever uttered is presented as 'Marxist belief' in our Corporate world.

I only need to get out of the left side of my bed in the morning and I'm branded a socialist by those who think a political spectrum is something created by sunlight hitting the White House windows.

I note that all of those who who believe these 'murdered without mercy' kids were being indoctrinated - have failed even now to address the one simple question I posed. I'll ask again...

These kids were old enough to vote - should they be embraced by politics? Or would you rather they voted in ignorance?

It's a simple enough question.

Oz

Marxism,Conservatism,Nationalism are all different philosophies and somewhat contradictory.
each philosophy may have something of value to offer if one does not subscribe to it as an IDEOLOGY.
I view my philosophy as socialist, (anti communist),and conservative .
Whether they should vote in ignorance is not a simple question.
America is a republic not a democracy. People generally dont vote for an issue they vote for a
politician. Its been reduced to a meaningless game of Republican vs Democrat, when there
is no longer much of difference between the R politicians and the D politicians. they all
represent the Elite Rich,the Corporations,and the New World Order.

Since there was a banner on the Island saying Boycott Israel it was clearly a place of
political indoctrination not education.
And I found the Norwegians explanation of Political Correctness as Cultural Marxism as
the best description of it I have seen. Maybe someone else figured that out but it
is extremely important that people understand that every time someone is using
political correctness to shape a debate it is nothing less than INTELLECTUAL TERRORISM,
in the form of CULTURAL MARXISM today.
In previous times political correctness was used in EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE WAYS, to
force people into National Socialism (Nazism), or to induce americans to enlist to fight
in VietNam as anti communist propaganda. Patriotism is when taken to an extreme
a form of political correctness.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS used by the right or the left is BRAINWASHING and
and its goal is to STOP people from thinking and turn them into slaves to be used
by the leaders.

The idea that the people in Norway or anywhere in the west have had a meaningful voice
about there fate is untrue. Nobody ever asked the white native people in Europe if they want to
become a minority living under arab muslim sharia rule. If they were asked 99 percent
would say no and the one percent who would say yes are the psychopath politicians.

Originally posted by kro32
Well your obviously taking this way out of context as most Glenn Beck haters do. He was simply comparing a camp based on politics to what the Hitler Youth went through and is in no way diminishing the tragic events of what happened.

His problem is with the camp itself but of course people like you will twist it into whatever you want.

Don't they always do this though? They never watch 1 damn episode yet they love to scream epithets at him.

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Thank you for having posted some of the manifesto and for explaining your thoughts on another way this can be perceived.

I am thinking that total multicultrualism would mean acceptance of those that hold the beliefs stated in the Manifesto.

But then that turns everything into a paradox.

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I am thinking that total multicultrualism would mean acceptance of those that hold the beliefs stated in the Manifesto.

How come? Multiculturalism suggest the acceptance of all races and nationalities without discrimination. The shooter was obviously a RACIST, and racists aren't a race or nationality...they represent the very thing multiculturalists despise.

Originally posted by freedish

Originally posted by kro32
Well your obviously taking this way out of context as most Glenn Beck haters do. He was simply comparing a camp based on politics to what the Hitler Youth went through and is in no way diminishing the tragic events of what happened.

His problem is with the camp itself but of course people like you will twist it into whatever you want.

Don't they always do this though? They never watch 1 damn episode yet they love to scream epithets at him.

So when Mothers and Fathers have just had their children mercilessly murdered and are grief stricken, a good compassionate way to approach their grief is to liken their behaviour to Hitler Youth?

Yeah that's pretty compassionate don't ya think? That will really help them recover.

Oz

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Well Glenn Beck is right on that part expect the Hitler Youth part a bit and why is he right? well our ctv news network did a interview with those kids who survived and honestly the kids look brainwashed.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Ozscot

 

Well Glenn Beck is right on that part expect the Hitler Youth part a bit and why is he right? well our ctv news network did a interview with those kids who survived and honestly the kids look brainwashed.

Yeah, I'm sure they acted like they normally do

Seriously, do you expect them to after what they went through???

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Ozscot

 

Well Glenn Beck is right on that part expect the Hitler Youth part a bit and why is he right? well our ctv news network did a interview with those kids who survived and honestly the kids look brainwashed.

Wow you can tell a brainwashed person by 'looking at them'? Marvel Comics would love to sign you up. Does the word traumatised register with you?

Oz

How people take Glenn Beck for anything other than an satirist is beyond me.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Ozscot

 

Well Glenn Beck is right on that part expect the Hitler Youth part a bit and why is he right? well our ctv news network did a interview with those kids who survived and honestly the kids look brainwashed.

The words 'Meat-head' spring to mind for some reason

reply to post by Ozscot

Wow you can tell a brainwashed person by 'looking at them'?

huh they way they were talking to the reporter using repeated statements and phrases.

Even one kid during the interview said in the future they will be continuing there party polices dispute what happened how isnt that brainwashing? brainwashing children and forcing children to accept the parties immigration polices?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Ozscot

 

Wow you can tell a brainwashed person by 'looking at them'?

huh they way they were talking to the reporter using repeated statements and phrases.

Even one kid during the interview said in the future they will be continuing there party polices dispute what happened how isnt that brainwashing? brainwashing children and forcing children to accept the parties immigration polices?

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I mean seriously? Do you think that somebody who has been through what these kids had just experienced is going to act/speak normally?? Do you have ANY empathetic notions towards these people??

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Ozscot

 

Wow you can tell a brainwashed person by 'looking at them'?

huh they way they were talking to the reporter using repeated statements and phrases.

Even one kid during the interview said in the future they will be continuing there party polices dispute what happened how isnt that brainwashing? brainwashing children and forcing children to accept the parties immigration polices?

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So what you are saying is that if one of them said 'A bad man with a gun killed all my friends and tried to kill me - so everything I had previously stood for and believed in I will now shed, become a recluse and admit that actually believing in something is not a good thing to do in society. Because a bad man with a gun just changed my mind' - Then you'd have been happy?

Oh incidentally - the first of those children was named today - Gunnar Linaker - Age 23

Wow.

Oz

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Some pictures and ages of the victims.
news.sky.com...

The were not little kids being brain washed. So quit with the propaganda of reversing the blame onto the victim. There is no reason to try and blame the victim for the crime that was done to them except to make the crime seem less then what it was. You must agree with what the guy did in some way to try and make it seem like a reasonable thing to do.

Glenn Beck is sort of right. Just because innocent people were killed, you cannot argue that sensitivity to their deaths must invalidate the truth.

In the early 1900's youth leagues started to spring up all over the world. After the first World War these youth groups adopted a military structure and clothing.

A proclamation published in March 1922 in the official Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter called for new members by declaring: "We demand that the National Socialist Youth, and all other young Germans, irrespective of class or occupation, between fourteen and eighteen years of age, whose hearts are affected by the suffering and hardships afflicting the Fatherland, and who later desire to join the ranks of the fighters against the Jewish enemy, the sole originator of our present shame and suffering, enter the Youth League of the NSDAP."

The Worker's Youth Party was formed in 1927 at the same time all of this was going on. This is back when there were many political parties and the best way of molding a population of voters to your point of view was to brainwash them when they were young surrounded by the 'nobility' of military regiment. This is classic propaganda as mastered in the 1920's and eventually in the form of Hitler.

That said, this is a group founded by the merger of socialists and communists. Regardless of whether they held Nazi banners they are in the same camp and any mind-control by political figures over young people is dangerous as history proves. This is why progressives have chanted ever since I was born to themselves : 'the children are our future'.

People start threads asking - why do outsiders hate America.

And then we get Glenn Beck.

Does this make sense?

Originally posted by ararisq
Glenn Beck is sort of right. Just because innocent people were killed, you cannot argue that sensitivity to their deaths must invalidate the truth.

In the early 1900's youth leagues started to spring up all over the world. After the first World War these youth groups adopted a military structure and clothing.

A proclamation published in March 1922 in the official Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter called for new members by declaring: "We demand that the National Socialist Youth, and all other young Germans, irrespective of class or occupation, between fourteen and eighteen years of age, whose hearts are affected by the suffering and hardships afflicting the Fatherland, and who later desire to join the ranks of the fighters against the Jewish enemy, the sole originator of our present shame and suffering, enter the Youth League of the NSDAP."

The Worker's Youth Party was formed in 1927 at the same time all of this was going on. This is back when there were many political parties and the best way of molding a population of voters to your point of view was to brainwash them when they were young surrounded by the 'nobility' of military regiment. This is classic propaganda as mastered in the 1920's and eventually in the form of Hitler.

That said, this is a group founded by the merger of socialists and communists. Regardless of whether they held Nazi banners they are in the same camp and any mind-control by political figures over young people is dangerous as history proves. This is why progressives have chanted ever since I was born to themselves : 'the children are our future'.

You really think there's a connection? You really think young people (18-25) should not be allowed to participate in the political process? You really think that 'kids' up to 25 years old should not be allowed to pursue a political ambition. It may have escaped your attention but they are of voting age and tax paying age, not only that but the world they live in is currently being destroyed by the generation which was charged with its care - so you want them gagged and bound until YOU decide they are of an age which YOU feel is right for them to join with political ideology? I find it staggering that Americans appear to object to this the most - the same America which sends teenagers off to a war in the Middle East to be shot to pieces but god forbid they should ever question why they are being sent there?

Where's the freedom in that? Where's the choices in that? Where's the personal responsibility in that? Where's the development of an informed younger generation in that? Where's the hope for tomorrow in that?

There is none.

But it does have a name - Fascism.

Oz

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Don't blame all Americans because I am a American. And the strange thing is im not in the age bracket of 18 to 25 either. But there are many elder Americans who believe that the elders should have there way when it comes to politics and policies that rule America. I guess you could say thats why when it comes to voting on health care they think as long as you say people 55 and older will not be effected go ahead and destroy it for the rest. Well the younger ones who are learning about what there doing are saying no way and now its evil if they go some where to learn more about whats being done to them. I think its evil what they are trying to do to the younger generations and I stand behind those younger generations to learn and fight back.

Originally posted by JBA2848
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Don't blame all Americans because I am a American. And the strange thing is im not in the age bracket of 18 to 25 either. But there are many elder Americans who believe that the elders should have there way when it comes to politics and policies that rule America. I guess you could say thats why when it comes to voting on health care they think as long as you say people 55 and older will not be effected go ahead and destroy it for the rest. Well the younger ones who are learning about what there doing are saying no way and now its evil if they go some where to learn more about whats being done to them. I think its evil what they are trying to do to the younger generations and I stand behind those younger generations to learn and fight back.

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Sorry - I didn't mean to imply all Americans are like this. America both enthuses and enrages me. It has some of the leading minds in the world and some of the dumbest people ever born (and in that respect it's very like many other western nations too). I sometimes wonder if there are in fact two 'Americas' or maybe even three or four?

But I digress.

Some of the logic deployed in this thread is simply unbelievable and I'm having a hard time understanding how people can be so short sighted and lacking in compassion? 70+ young people are dead and there's some posts with an air of 'well they had it coming...' - It just sucks.

Oz

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No i dont agree with a murder, did i say i do? dont get me wrong on that party, but i dont agree of using kids in a politically summer camp.