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posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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ATS is a private enterprise and can run any ads they want I know. I also know that the Church of Scientology is a lying, abusive, brainwashing moneymaking cult that has no place in a democratic society. ATS owners, what is this despicable organizations advertising doing on your website?

Members, read the article in my signature and deny ignorance.




posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
ATS is a private enterprise and can run any ads they want I know. I also know that the Church of Scientology is a lying, abusive, brainwashing moneymaking cult that has no place in a democratic society. .


Since when did any of those disqualify anyone (or anything) from taking part in a democratic society??

I happen to agree with your sentiment - but I also think that it is true of all religions, and all political parties, and pretty much all organised human endeavour throughout time......



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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I thought ATS advertising was based on what you've been searching for based on whatever cookies are on your computer or something similar to that.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Yep. You have just handily demonstrated everything that is wrong with a democratic society. Thank God I live in a Constitutional republic that places restraints on democracy. You are most assuredly entitled to your opinion, but if that opinion genuinely believes that the same eraser that would erase religious content you don't agree with, but not erase your own opinion, is an ill informed opinion.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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Yep. You have just handily demonstrated everything that is wrong with a democratic society. Thank God I live in a Constitutional republic that places restraints on democracy. You are most assuredly entitled to your opinion, but if that opinion genuinely believes that the same eraser that would erase religious content you don't agree with, but not erase your own opinion, is an ill informed opinion.


I support freedom of speech, The Church of Scientology does not. They're a totalitarian organization.

My original question: why would ATS run ads for a totalitarian organization?



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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Yep. You have just handily demonstrated everything that is wrong with a democratic society. Thank God I live in a Constitutional republic that places restraints on democracy. You are most assuredly entitled to your opinion, but if that opinion genuinely believes that the same eraser that would erase religious content you don't agree with, but not erase your own opinion, is an ill informed opinion.


I support freedom of speech, The Church of Scientology does not. They're a totalitarian organization.


So like islam, the republican party and catholicism too then.

None-the-less they have the right to say what they want - and people have the right to join and follow them and behave by their principles if they want - as long as the people aren't actually breaking any laws of the land.


My original question: why would ATS run ads for a totalitarian organization?


Because there are plenty of kooks on here so it is a natural recruiting ground for them?



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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let ATS rip off the "church of scientology"....they more than brainwash you, they make you pay for something they call "auditing"...not sure what that's all about, but you pay thru the nose for it....as far as i'm concerned, organized religion = organized crime



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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I support freedom of speech, The Church of Scientology does not. They're a totalitarian organization.


Freedom of speech is a natural unalienable right that belongs to all people everywhere, and will do fine with or without your "support". It is beyond hypocritical to declare you "support" free speech and then turn around and defend your need to take away an organizations right to free speech. Who do you think you're kidding.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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I support freedom of speech, The Church of Scientology does not. They're a totalitarian organization.


Freedom of speech is a natural unalienable right that belongs to all people everywhere,


it is clearly alienable anywhere there's a power that has the desire and enough clout to make it so.

The only "natural inalienable rights" you have are the right to be conceived...and the right to die at any time after that.

Everything else is up for grabs to the people most willing to fight for or against it.

The idea that there are god given rights to anything else is proveably wrong!



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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in case anyone didn't know....the church of scientology has a history of fraud and tax evasion, all the way back to 1980



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:14 PM
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it is clearly alienable anywhere there's a power that has the desire and enough clout to make it so.


If you trample all over another person's unalienable right, that doesn't make the right "alienable", it makes you criminal.




The only "natural inalienable rights" you have are the right to be conceived...and the right to die at any time after that.


First of all, I used the term unalienable, not inalienable. There is a difference between the two. Secondly, the Roe v Wade supporters would passionately take umbrage to your assertion that there is a "right to be conceived".

Birth and death are not rights they are the beginning and end of a life filled with rights. It begins with the right to life. From this flows the right to self defense. People have the right to the pursuit of happiness which includes obtaining and keeping property, and if follows that people have the right to defend their property. People also have the right to defend others in need of defense. Outside of these three examples, all other rights are simply determined by the lack of harm they cause.

An advertisement on ATS, for example, causes no harm, and is therefore a right, in that it is a right to ask ATS for the privilege of advertising on this site, and ATS most assuredly has the right to say yes and run the ad.




The idea that there are god given rights to anything else is proveably wrong!


Then stop reifying and prove it!



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Freedom of speech is a natural unalienable right that belongs to all people everywhere, and will do fine with or without your "support". It is beyond hypocritical to declare you "support" free speech and then turn around and defend your need to take away an organizations right to free speech. Who do you think you're kidding.


Freedom of speech does not apply on ATS as it is ultimately up to the owners to decide what goes. Hence my original question.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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it is clearly alienable anywhere there's a power that has the desire and enough clout to make it so.


If you trample all over another person's unalienable right, that doesn't make the right "alienable", it makes you criminal.



not if it isn't against the law in the country where you do it - even less so if it IS the law where you do it.




The idea that there are god given rights to anything else is proveably wrong!


Then stop reifying and prove it!



the whole of medieval Christendom for several hundred years up until...oh....quite recently really - let's say the French Revolution/Napoleon took France out of that system, and in more modern times the People's republic of China, North Korea, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia - case proved
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posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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China, North Korea, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia - case proved.


Pointing to criminality only proves criminality. Try again.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
I thought ATS advertising was based on what you've been searching for based on whatever cookies are on your computer or something similar to that.



You are correct the advertisements you see on ATS are based off your cookie history. Also I believethat you can not log onto ATS if your cookies are turned off.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Freedom of speech does not apply on ATS as it is ultimately up to the owners to decide what goes. Hence my original question.


Then why bring up what is acceptable in a democratic society? Hence my original post.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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China, North Korea, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia - case proved.


Pointing to criminality only proves criminality. Try again.


nope - it proves that the right is alienable - ie it can be taken away.

And apparently it is not criminality to restrict it either - who's being charged in court for it??



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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nope - it proves that the right is alienable - ie it can be taken away. And apparently it is not criminality to restrict it either - who's being charged in court for it??


Ignorantia juris non excusat!

Are you seriously suggesting that all the unsolved murders in history, where no charges were made against any person and no one brought before a court, were not crimes? Get a clue!

If you punch me in the face, you can declare this an alienable right of mine not to be punched. However, don't be surprised when I punch back, and if there are witnesses to this event who testify in court that I defended myself against your imprudent aggression, you will find out rather quickly that my so called "alienable right" wasn't so alienable after all.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Then why bring up what is acceptable in a democratic society? Hence my original post.


I was describing what I see as the problem with the COS. I assumed the owners of ATS shared the democratic values which made me curious as to why they would let a totalitarian organization advertise on their website.

I have seen you come out and defend the COS before but do you know what you are defending?



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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If you don't like the ads, click on them!! If they are PPC, then you just made them pay (a little). Haha


Of course, Google will probably then interpret that as a strong interest of yours and show you more of the same. So proceed with caution




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