Tiahuanaco, Puma Punku the real mystery...

I shared this thought with LostinSpace and want to ask it here with everyone to get some sort of understanding.

I am a believer in the Bible. I also believe that God reveals Himself to mankind and has done so for thousands of years, perhaps more. But I will also be quick to point out that when I have misread something the Bible says or assumed something, I will always retract my belief. And this morning I was struck with that very thing.

I had always believed that God created Adam in the Garden of Eden. But I was wrong. This was taken as an assumption on my part because I like many other people, gloss over certain things the Bible says.

I suddenly remembered the verse as it is written in Genesis and had to ask my brother if I was reading it correctly. The Bible says in Genesis that God created Adam from the dust of the Earth, THEN placed him in the Garden of Eden which God planted. So if God created Adam outside of the Garden, just where did He create him? And it goes further by saying "God took the dust of the Earth"...was that necessarily even on the Earth that God created him from. No, it says God took dust....

I am not a believer in evolution as I believe that God is quite capable of Creation. But when we look at ancient civilizations and hear references to peoples that seem impossible to us to have existed, I have to accept that those people were there. I am not saying that humankind is an alien race of beings, what I am saying is this...Adam was created outside the Garden. The Bible is very clear that Adam was the first man, it does not say that God did not create any more men in other locations after that. Adam was the only man God placed in the Garden. Eve was created but not so named until Genesis 3. Adam called her Woman in Genesis 2.

I am not going to say I am relying on Mormon scriptures, nor am I advocating the gap theory.

So what is the possibility that all these ancient peoples were in existence outside the Garden during the time Adam was in the Garden?

I dont know hebrew or aramaic but I wouldnt even bother trying to get into the fine details of what you're saying without researching the "so called" original words and their true definitions. For instance when it says GOD created Adam and then put him in the garden of eden, well where and when was Adam's soul put into him, when he was in the garden of Eden(Heaven) I'd imagine, also in regards to the dust of the earth, well there is a good chance the original words used just meant clay, and just because Adam was made of clay does not necessarily have to mean the earth was already created, far from, and even if it does literally say the dust of the earth, well that doesnt specifically imply that earth was already created, baring in mind teh book was written( or revealed you might say, but that's another matter) after the earth was created. If I spray a car with a pink spray-can, and then spray a bike with the same pink spray-can and say that the colour of the former is the same colour as the latter, am I wrong?, no.

Great, Great Thread.

I have not read every single post so sorry if this has already been presented. Could a massive Tsunami have scattered these very large stones about?

I'm fascinated by these sites, they defy modern explanation and turn much of our established history of the planet on it's ear.

My theory is that they are much older than thought, 10's of thousands of years older, maybe even hundreds of thousands.

I also believe that there have been advanced civilizations on our planet in the past.

If the whole system goes to crap tommorow, and the electricity stops flowing, 90% of our knowledge will go bye bye. CD's only store info for a few hundred years before they degrade, paper even less time.

We've blown ourselves up in the past, if not literally figuratively.

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ah yes, the Muslim side of it. I've always wanted to find someone who knew something from their side as I myself do not know nearly as much as I'd like to. Thanks.

I was wondering, do you think they stopped taking other forms to physically tempt and mislead man because once mankind realized God exists, and saw they exist, they would, by knowing so, know God exists, and so they have to keep secret these days to not permit people to know God? It makes sense in our modern era of free flowing knowledge. Most people know the devil/God story, so if they saw a jinn/nephelim/deamon, they would have to have faith in God because obviously if th devil exists, God must.

It makes sense why such spiritual things don't happen in non-spiritual areas like the west, because if they could prove the devil exists, they could prove God does.

Wow! that was awesome! I appreciate the time and work you put into that. Lot's of stuff there I hadn't seen before.
Thanks again.

Originally posted by lostinspace

Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by KJV1611

 

Pangea is the continets before they split. You may be surprised to know there is a reference in the Bible to that. The great-grandsons of Noah lived in a time "when the earth split" as the 1611 KJV says it.

There are many mysteries in the Bible that many Christians want to ignore...such as the "lion faced men" that one of David's soldiers fought. He says they are of the Hittites, but those people were not unknown to the Israelites. So it seems to me there is something striking to the fact they were given such a description. It does not say they fought like lions, only that they looked like lions.

I am also a believer in the Bible, but I will accept that there are mysteries that we can search the meaning of. For me to see these picture of Tiotihuacan means that there was a people who lived there and should be respected for their contribution to history.

Wow! I cannot believe you posted this information WarminIndy. I'm been compiling data on a topic like you mentioned. I haven't had the time to compose a good thread yet. The information you presented I did not know. I will share a photo with you from my research. Have you seen this statue before? I added the material you posted to my data. Thanks.

Enjoy.

and then there's this,
&rlz=1I7GPEA_en&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ& sa=X&ei=Y5ozTpfXFPHnmAX3gpTxCg&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1008&bih=649]http://www.google.com/search?q=neck+rings&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:[referrer:source% 3F]&rlz=1I7GPEA_en&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Y5ozTpfXFPHnmAX3gpTxCg&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1008&bih=649

well that is good enough, i think, to get the idea.
wow



eta; some background, marco polo saw this in the 1300's

en.wikipedia.org...


that and the skull binding, wtf happened back then?!

lol!.

Amazing I have seen this before but you have grouped it together so well it is clear that there have been civilisations.way ahead of our current understanding there truth is hidden from us and i.believe these civilisations were helped but higher beings..

A very excellent set of pics. Very informative, some of the best I've seen.

...I want to first say that I don't adhere to the head-binding hypothesis. I had not seen the infant pic before, so I thank you for that. It argues my case. The forces of head-binding (which is a real practice NOW) are all radial and INWARD, meaning the diameter of the cranium must be reduced, even if elongated. MANY of the dolichocephalic skulls show nothing of the sort, AND their cranial volumes are increased, not decreased (sometimes more than 50% bigger). These skulls represent something different, something not exactly homo sapiens sapiens. I have not ever heard of any being DNA tested. That would be interesting. IMHO, the modern practice is a remnant of peoples trying to mimic something their culture knew first-hand and admired, in the past.

The people who talk about concrete here, I tend to agree with them regarding these artifacts as shown here. Internal square corners are difficult to cut properly with present-day technologies. The shallow recesses around some of the rectangular pockets are very easy if done with wooden forming, but not only are difficult if # into stone, but also seem to have been done without a purpose. Even the quality of the "stone" appears to be an agglomeration like concrete, with small irregular voids. Though this appears to be the case at these sites, it does not follow that it was also used for the stones in the pyramids, which are clearly limestone as it came out of the quarry at Moqattam.

It was also interesting to see the one old sketch with the multiple zig-zag diagonals in the shallow pockets. I've seen many photos of Puma Punku's key-shaped pockets (which seem to many people to be anti-seismic features after metal was poured in). This key technology has some samples in Egypt, too, BTW. But these multiple zig-zags are something new to me. Perhaps they are a sketch artist's embellishment.

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Also, about the dating, you are asking good questions and leaving it at that. I have no qualm with that. If you don't know, admit it and let it go - but DO leave the question out there with your thoughts on why you aren't happy with the current thinking. I agree with that presentation.

On GE, the alignment of the Kalasasaya appears to be right on 0° with the North Pole (as far as GE can show). The Akapana pyramid seems to be aligned about 1.75° to 2.00° east of north. This may indicate a crustal shift between the times of their being built. Why they would be right next to each other and not aligned square to each other makes little sense, though who knows the minds of architects and planners? But if one is aligned to north, the other should be, too. (The sketch on the linked page is WAY off on the skewed-ness of the Akapana pyramid. The obliquity of the ecliptic would not affect these, not that I can see. North is still north, and east is still east. The OE only ties to the stars, not to the geographical rotation of the planet. We can have the same point on the planet as the North Pole, while having a different tilt to our daily rotation.

If we consider a 2° shift, that is a small shift, about 90% smaller than what Hapgood or Velikovsky proposed. Is that much shift possible? We don't know at the present. Science ignores that as a possibility, so those with the tools and infrastructure to research it won't do so. Alternate researchers can't get permissions for real digs. But as you show, at Tiahuanaco digging may not tell us anything, anyway. I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when they decided what samples to get for C14 testing. I agree that the chances of the samples being compromised is quite large.

I don't think we presently have an adequate mental framework for dating these sites. There are three bases upon which to date sites - lab tests (objective, as long as they don't throw out results they don't like - which happens), ceramics (comparative and relative dating), and if they ever get to it, other technologies (which will be a science of its own some day). Still, too many features and artifacts have yet to be discovered. Too much is still buried under dirt or sand.

Neither alternate researchers nor archeologists have enough facts available to come to any conclusions. Certainly, though, the technology was beyond what the western world could have done 200 years ago (and in some cases not even today). This 100% indicates that there was an advanced technological culture long ago, better than the Romans or any other culture included in "ancient civilization" as taught in our schools. I include the Romans in modern cultures, but not Egypt, because there was a disconnect between Egyptian pyramid building and the Romans. And any site that predates a history that ties directly with our own has to be considered differently. And if their technology was higher than 200 years ago, it has to be considered as a relative equal to our own. Be aware that the original archeologists and Egyptologists thought of them as coming from a superior technological culture, when in reality the ancients DID HAVE more advanced technology than them, at least in many ways. So, on a scale of technology, the ancients would be between that of 1800 Europe/America and 2010 Europe/ America. That says a lot for them. Whoever they were.

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things/we have been making stone tools for a million years.


zippo lighters, sabatier, not so long.

i guess commercialism was not real big back in the day.



obsidian blades are sharper than surgical instruments.

any of these you can make them yourself, anytime.

don't need a craig to survive and thrive.

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Sorry, Dude, but NO, the Spanish never found Machu Picchu. It wasn't found by westerners till 100 years go (plus 4 days), by Hiram Bingham III. July 24, 1911. No "Battle of Machu Picchu" between Incas (long since gone) and Spaniards (long since booted out).

Do you just make stuff up?

It took me all of 1 minute to find this out on the web. May I recommend you look things up before you make claims?

Sloppy thinkers make it easy for academics to laugh at alternate sites. You aren't helping.

Originally posted by SteveGarcia
reply to post by game over man

 

Sorry, Dude, but NO, the Spanish never found Machu Picchu. It wasn't found by westerners till 100 years go (plus 4 days), by Hiram Bingham III. July 24, 1911. No "Battle of Machu Picchu" between Incas (long since gone) and Spaniards (long since booted out).

Do you just make stuff up?

It took me all of 1 minute to find this out on the web. May I recommend you look things up before you make claims?

Sloppy thinkers make it easy for academics to laugh at alternate sites. You aren't helping.

Oh yes, the Mormons then were trying to prove that holy city they were looking for. What was the name of it?

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Dear SLAYER69,

Whenever you post something like this I know I am going to need some time and just sit back and enjoy it. The photos that you include are always amazing and these type of posts are a treasure. Thanks.

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Thank you.

I have been working towards a very large in depth thread all based on my previous threads. Suffice it to say I'm not nearly done. When completed I'll contemplate on whether to post or search for a book deal.

I'm that serious about the topic.

Stay tuned.

Originally posted by SteveGarcia
reply to post by game over man

 

Sorry, Dude, but NO, the Spanish never found Machu Picchu. It wasn't found by westerners till 100 years go (plus 4 days), by Hiram Bingham III. July 24, 1911. No "Battle of Machu Picchu" between Incas (long since gone) and Spaniards (long since booted out).

Do you just make stuff up?

It took me all of 1 minute to find this out on the web. May I recommend you look things up before you make claims?

Sloppy thinkers make it easy for academics to laugh at alternate sites. You aren't helping.

Wow you are super rude...Do even know anything about Machu Picchu before your Google search? Why did the Inca's disappear from Machu Picchu? You do know there is a section of Machu Picchu that was left still in construction? What would explain that? Aliens beamed everyone back in their ships? There was a battle at Ollantaytambo which is relatively close...What is the story of the 2 white people who discovered MP? Do you know of the story about the murder of the guide from Cusco? But how would you know a local rumor, you can look stuff up on the internet Where are all the treasures of Machu Picchu? When were they taken out of Machu Picchu?

Have you ever thought of writing, "hey I think you may have typed an error in your post."

No you wouldn't, your main interest in life is your self, and you don't care about others, so why bother.

Do you know why Machu Picchu is built where it's built?

Did you know that Machu Picchu was filled with life at one point? Wooden doors, wood roofs, religious ceremonies, astronomy, do you know how they practiced and recorded their observations of astronomy without a written language?

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Thanks for the links fooks.

I never imagined the extended neck of Tanit could be related to the practice of the Karen people. The following quote caught my eye about its origins.

Their own mythology explains that it is done to prevent tigers from biting them!

www.peoplesoftheworld.org...

Since this statue of Tanit was found in northern Africa then it could be a symbol on how to keep lions from biting your neck.

Originally posted by lostinspace

Originally posted by WarminIndy
reply to post by KJV1611

 

Pangea is the continets before they split. You may be surprised to know there is a reference in the Bible to that. The great-grandsons of Noah lived in a time "when the earth split" as the 1611 KJV says it.

There are many mysteries in the Bible that many Christians want to ignore...such as the "lion faced men" that one of David's soldiers fought. He says they are of the Hittites, but those people were not unknown to the Israelites. So it seems to me there is something striking to the fact they were given such a description. It does not say they fought like lions, only that they looked like lions.

I am also a believer in the Bible, but I will accept that there are mysteries that we can search the meaning of. For me to see these picture of Tiotihuacan means that there was a people who lived there and should be respected for their contribution to history.

Wow! I cannot believe you posted this information WarminIndy. I'm been compiling data on a topic like you mentioned. I haven't had the time to compose a good thread yet. The information you presented I did not know. I will share a photo with you from my research. Have you seen this statue before? I added the material you posted to my data. Thanks.

Enjoy.

Jaguar warrior
en.wikipedia.org...

Go to Google Click Images then Type Aztec Jaguar Warrior

you would be amazed to what you would find !

if want to really see something

A 35,000 Year Old Figurine ! Oldest Known To man of a Figurine !
Made from a Mammoth Tooth/Tusk

Lion man of the Hohlenstein Stadel
en.wikipedia.org...

Lionheaded Figurine
www.showcaves.com...

A Lion MAN AKA WereCat a Bipedal CAT

Who is to Say

ThunderCATS WHOOOOOOAAAAHHH




Isnt there Bipedal Cats in PreColumbia Artifacts ?

Originally posted by lostinspace
reply to post by fooks

 

Thanks for the links fooks.

I never imagined the extended neck of Tanit could be related to the practice of the Karen people. The following quote caught my eye about its origins.

Their own mythology explains that it is done to prevent tigers from biting them!

www.peoplesoftheworld.org...

Since this statue of Tanit was found in northern Africa then it could be a symbol on how to keep lions from biting your neck.

On the walls of the Lascaux Caves in France, there were drawings depicting Chinese horses. It is interesting the Karen people wear those bands, but other African tribes do also. I saw that documentary about the Karen people. A good site that compiles documentaries is www.topdocumentaryfilms.com

The Karen women who do this are no different than the Chinese women who practiced foot binding. It is considered a sign of beauty.

What I think is more interesting is the dragons depicted from England to China to South/Central America. All of those depictions are more concise in description. Today, the flag of Wales still has a dragon on it and in the legend of King Arthur, his surname was Pendragon, or Son of the dragon.We have all seen the pictures of St. Christopher slaying the dragon.

Originally posted by Wolfenz

Jaguar warrior
en.wikipedia.org...

Go to Google Click Images then Type Aztec Jaguar Warrior

you would be amazed to what you would find !

if want to really see something

A 35,000 Year Old Figurine ! Oldest Known To man of a Figurine !
Made from a Mammoth Tooth/Tusk

Lion man of the Hohlenstein Stadel
en.wikipedia.org...

Lionheaded Figurine
www.showcaves.com...

A Lion MAN AKA WereCat a Bipedal CAT

Who is to Say

ThunderCATS WHOOOOOOAAAAHHH

Isnt there Bipedal Cats in PreColumbia Artifacts ?

Thanks for bringing this detail up Wolfenz.

I believe this figure had some influence with the Teotihuacan society in central Mexico, to which the Toltecs and Aztecs were descended from. I have this gut feeling that tells me the Teotihuacans were originally from a lost island somewhere in the Caribbean.