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A Racist Conspiracy? Why are we taught that Black Africans never formed or ruled Ancient Egypt?

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posted on Aug, 17 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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reply to post by SirShawn
 

That is absolutely uncalled for. Know that I was not trying to degrade or attack anybody; please try to understand where I'm coming from and show a bit of respect.

And as for your "peer reviewed evidence".......worthless. Literally worthless. In case you didn't know, there are many who are fully willing to lie through their teeth just to advance their own agenda. Sadly, it seems as if science is a prime example of this. But me......well, I need only my logic and my eyes to see through all the nonsense and figure things out.

And just in case you didn't know, "Africa" does NOT necessarily equal "racially Negroid." For example, typical North Africans are Brown, not Black.


reply to post by De La Valletta
 

*sigh* This again? Do a search on these words: "Black invention myths." By the way, why is it that it seems as if most "great Black geniuses" were racially more White than Black?




posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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For example, typical North Africans are Brown, not Black


Not in the distant past , only after immigrations and invasions from europe.As I said before africans come in many shades , some more examples:

Notice the second woman from the right.
upload.wikimedia.org...

www.instructables.com...

image.qpicture.com...

And these people are not even north african. I bet you'd love to tell these people they are not black , their white. Whitewashing userper of another man's past!





*sigh* This again? Do a search on these words: "Black invention myths." By the way, why is it that it seems as if most "great Black geniuses" were racially more White than Black?


Daniel Hale Williams , is the only one there that did have a white mother, his father was a black barber , so he was a mullatto.All the rest are black and fact , not myth. All of their contributions are real and not fake. As for checking up on your black invention myths , I know about all this already. I was counting on someone raising this and I'm not surprised it was you.I'm not surprised , they had to find something to bring the blackman's contributions down. While some may have been beaten to the punch in some areas , they still made new discoveries and innovations that contributed to thier feild , agreed!? Where Daniel williams , Garet Morgan and Charles Drew may have been innovators; Onesimus taught the west about basic innocculation , Cesar and Vivien Thomas were true discoverers. And as stated Vivien Thomas' contribution was userped by his white collegues until the truth was revealed.

Again you expose your racist self , by making such remarks , insinuating black people cannot achieve anything great and then we are amazed that they are so angry and frustrated. Then we are amazed (not you I guess;you are looking forward to them failing) that blacks under-achieve , with people like you telling them that in all the history of mankind only they're race has never achieved anything great.Wow that's some serious psychological damage. But black people should realise this as a strategy of the enemy , to give them an inferiority complex and make them look down on themselves and look up to others. We are amazed that coming up against closet racists they will never be considered equal no matter what they do , because "Oh , they're the only race who have never achieved anything great!"

As a child I watched a cartoon called "The Bear That Wasn't A Bear At All".
This bear woke up late from hybernation , and everyone told him "You are not a bear--you're just a silly man, who needs a shave, and wears a fur coat. Everywhere he went , no matter how much he protested , they told him this. Eventually the bear believed them. But in the end he realised how foolish these people really were and when winter came again , he knew he was a bear.



The blinders of racism and predjudice keep others from recognising these achievements. Instead of giving the recognition to where it is due , whites and to some degree asians ignore black achievements and try to explain it away as an outside contribution by others or try to say that it was a white or asian race that achieved it , "couldn't be them dumb n####rs!". No , not on ATS , I will deny this ignorance!

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posted on Aug, 18 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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The world keeps spinning with or WITHOUT Black People achievments.

The world keeps SPINNING with or without any races achievments.

So who cares what the black people have achieved or the Asians ... because you know what? The world keeps going with or without.

Either do it and shut up , or drop it and dont do it , either way , time keeps going. Because guess what .... some one will do it eventually.

Im so tired of this race thing. Get over yourself.

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posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Bleak
reply to post by SirShawn
 

That is absolutely uncalled for. Know that I was not trying to degrade or attack anybody;



NO your #ing racist comments on the previous page is what were out of place. Rather than addressing the scientific evidence that I've presented you went on a #ing racist tangent in an attempt to degrade blacks, for trying to educate ignorant #s like you on this subject.



please try to understand where I'm coming from and show a bit of respect.


Why in the Hell would I sympathize with a racist piece of #?




]And as for your "peer reviewed evidence".......worthless. Literally worthless. In case you didn't know, there are many who are fully willing to lie through their teeth just to advance their own agenda. Sadly, it seems as if science is a prime example of this. But me......well, I need only my logic and my eyes to see through all the nonsense and figure things out.


Hmmm let's see:

Objective scientific research from various sources all basically concluding that the ancient Egyptian were originally black Africans from the south>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your worthless opinion


And just in case you didn't know, "Africa" does NOT necessarily equal "racially Negroid." For example, typical North Africans are Brown, not Black.


We are well aware that North Africans are highly Arabanized, but it does not negate the findings that the Bio-Cultural origins of ancient Egypt lie with the populations in the areas south of Egypt. Below is a peer reviewed summarization of the biological affinities (what they looked liked) of the ancient Egyptians:


"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)


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"must be placed in the context of hypotheses informed by archaeological, linguistic, geographic and other data. In such contexts, the physical anthropological evidence indicates that early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation. This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection, influenced by culture and geography." ("Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999). pp 328-332)


See the underlined in the first #ing paragraph? It states that the ancient Egyptians had greatest biological affinities with Saharan and Sub Saharan Africans, not #ing North Africans and Arabs. They were black give the racist bull# up!








posted on Aug, 19 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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Well, a few Afrocentrics said it; I guess it must be true, eh?
Do you also believe that Greek culture was created by Blacks? Or that Beethoven was Black?

As I said, a handful of Blacks could be seen amongst the Ancient Egyptians, which can indeed be validated by some of the HIGHLY SELECTIVE (in other words, biased) evidence that can be seen. But to go right ahead and say "We bruthuz dun n built da pyramidz" is just baseless trash.

The Egyptians were not Black; nor were they White, or Brown. Not purely, at least - apparently they were a mixture of some type.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, dark skin does NOT necessarily imply "Black." You did know that.......didn't you?

One last thing: Since when did the Mods start tolerating such immature, abusive tirades (such as those that can be seen in Shawn's posts)? I mean, SHEESH..........
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 03:32 AM
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reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze
 

honestly i have believed this for a very long time.
and the reason i think its been suppressed apart from 'white supremacy' is religion

christianity has a huge base in egypt,imagine if we knew it was black egypt..it would turn things on its head
personally i believe that whites stole 'civilisation' from blacks.. it makes sense because someone who steals a base idea always finds it easier to advance it then the person who origanlly created it



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Bleak
reply to post by SirShawn
 

Well, a few Afrocentrics said it; I guess it must be true, eh?
Do you also believe that Greek culture was created by Blacks? Or that Beethoven was Black?

As I said, a handful of Blacks could be seen amongst the Ancient Egyptians, which can indeed be validated by some of the HIGHLY SELECTIVE (in other words, biased) evidence that can be seen. But to go right ahead and say "" is just baseless trash.

The Egyptians were not Black; nor were they White, or Brown. Not purely, at least - apparently they were a mixture of some type.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, dark skin does NOT necessarily imply "Black." You did know that.......didn't you?



No they were not a mixture. They were pure and of the original pure blood stock of the first world. This is why they depicted themselves apart from other africans. It wasn't because they looked different as shown in the pics, paintings, and scuptures.

We bruthuz did build the pyramidz, and we know how to do it again. Forget building a pyramid. Can you tell me the original name for the the pyramids? Or how it relates to the people of the land. Or the people of America? Haha.

You really need to check yourself as to why you feel the way you do and realize that this is the reason none of the secret and sacred info will never be told to the likes of you. GTFOH
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by OwenGP185

Originally posted by masterp
If ancient Egyptians were black, how come they are not drawn with negroid features?

All art coming out of Negroid Africa portraits people with large dlat noses and big lips. However, no Egyptian drawings show such people.

Personally, I think it is logical to assume that Ancient Egyptians did not have Negroid features.


Just wondering, have you seen all the every pieces of art on Egyptian walls?








It takes one search in google and you will find many examples or black/ dark skin Egyptians at that time.
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None of the images you posted depict people with negroid features.



posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by masterp

Originally posted by OwenGP185

Originally posted by masterp
If ancient Egyptians were black, how come they are not drawn with negroid features?

All art coming out of Negroid Africa portraits people with large dlat noses and big lips. However, no Egyptian drawings show such people.

Personally, I think it is logical to assume that Ancient Egyptians did not have Negroid features.


Just wondering, have you seen all the every pieces of art on Egyptian walls?








It takes one search in google and you will find many examples or black/ dark skin Egyptians at that time.
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None of the images you posted depict people with negroid features.


Dark skin with braids and afros...naw that's not a 'negroid' feature...
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posted on Aug, 21 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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From your fellow ATS poster: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please realize there is more too this than you know but connect the dots with what i said earlier in this thread.

And little tidbit for you: www.historykb.com...

But you keep digging up our people and claiming them mr. white and 'arab' guys. What is that anyway? Arab. Arabia is a country not a race. I thought this was a site with people with knowledge. It seem most on here don't know ish.

Dumber than a bag of F'n ROCKS WTF
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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I am a little late but please just relax a bit. We are alike rather it is based off how similar we are or how different we are. I have yellow eyes and you have purple, great 'we both' have different color eyes. We still are alike based on our differences. Do you get it. Nature is "whole", not lacking any parts. What I mean by that is we apply division to articulate and express the ideas of nature. They were not established this way. The African adage, the circle of life comes to mind.

Now race is a theory. You have only mentioned physical characteristics which DO NOT establish the base for race. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent. If we are going to classify things using this illusory instrument then I should assume based on the genetic variation found in Africa alone would conclude there are at least 200 races alone. Your telling me adaptation is wrong??? One can reside in one environment and completely mutate in another. That is fact.

I would like to inform the term pygmie is derrogatory. They are referred to historically and properly as the twa or dwa people.

Back to surface, your focusing on the different branches of humanity and your trying to convey and convince me that they do not have the same trunk!!?? This is completely erroneous. For the record, you have no idea about my lineage, history, creed, or blood line for that matter. Do not make radical claims.


but your world is me shining your shoes, and thinking my god is white and talks english and floating around in space

I know who I am. and the first line in my sig says it all. vibe on that.
Everyone does NOT produce sufficient eumelanin, let me be a little more precise with this guy, and when dealing with creatures that have not seen the light of day in the last couple of hundred of years, they do NOT produce this chemical. You need to understand etymology if your going to figure this our
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The word aryan is a sanskrit word and its origins have nothing to do with anglo, european, or so called 'whites'. It has nothing to do with them and indigenous people from africa have blue eyes and blonde hair,so I don't know where you going with that......
but I do, agree with the monkeys.De-evolution is possible.



India was Kush and it is still referred to that to this day in certain parts. This is why that try to trick you by call the land of sheba cush with a C, and india Kush with a K. Don't be fooled. Look at the Dalits and the Dravidians of that land and then look and the modern ethiopians. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

your taking what im saying out of context. I am completely aware. I am speaking in terms of the modern day division. It would be like me saying the aztecs and mexico. get it?
You are just going off on everyone huh??? You have written a million post in a month??? I have some words of advice;
No one man has the answers. A wise man never argues with fools. have a blessed day.
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posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by DeNaga

Originally posted by masterp

Originally posted by OwenGP185

Originally posted by masterp
If ancient Egyptians were black, how come they are not drawn with negroid features?

All art coming out of Negroid Africa portraits people with large dlat noses and big lips. However, no Egyptian drawings show such people.

Personally, I think it is logical to assume that Ancient Egyptians did not have Negroid features.


Just wondering, have you seen all the every pieces of art on Egyptian walls?








It takes one search in google and you will find many examples or black/ dark skin Egyptians at that time.
edit on 17-8-2011 by OwenGP185 because: (no reason given)


None of the images you posted depict people with negroid features.


Dark skin with braids and afros...naw that's not a 'negroid' feature...
edit on 21-8-2011 by DeNaga because: (no reason given)


Dark skin with braids and afros can be found in many Mediterranean areas. Negroid features should include a flat nose, a protruding jaw, and a protruding head back. Like this:

www.gordonanderson.ca...



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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This is so erroneous. You need to step outside of your box. To be even more correct the 'negro' is just one of the races within the black diaspora. So in other words, you have so called 'black races' that have straight hair, small noses, even blue eyes. You need to read a little more and educate yourself about the mother continent.



Negroid features should include a flat nose, a protruding jaw, and a protruding head back. Like this:

This is from a perverse perspective. It "should" but is not limited too. Understand that. These same features can be found within the indigenous population of cambodia, who genetically is part of the black diaspora and are said to be 'non-mongoloid' but 'negroid'. Compare them to the people that are shown to us and you have 2 completely different people if we are judging them by physical traits which is elementary if you ask me. Same case with Kemet (egypt). Its hard for racist people to believe Africans built the bomb and lit the fuse in terms starting civilization.....smh We are just witnessing all of the fireworks now



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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I think the whole "race" issue is mute when you talk about the beginnings of the human civilizations. I think anyone attempting to atone the beginnings of human civilization to a race other than for historical reference has an alternate agenda in mind.

As there is plenty of evidence that the Mayans and the like were of what we would today call Hispanic decent and their temples and pyramids were all built around the same time period.

Also when it comes to Egyptian civilizations all you have to do is look at the paintings upon the walls of the great pyramids. Which is why the common theory is that Egyptians were of Arab decent.



posted on Aug, 23 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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did you just get here??? You said it best. Perfect example. The Mayan is known throughout history as the people who did not build the temple just like the aztecs, they stumbled upon them. Everything, temples pyramids were already built. You would have to go to the back a little more to see who the builders are. The same goes for the arab. He is not the original, indigenous, or autochthon of Egypt or the middle east. Look into how the arabian people painted in tombs and in places that existed for thousands of years. Invaders from the north conquered Egypt just like they did the Middle East.


Arabs = non-Indigenous, autochthon in Egypt or the middle. These are facts, do a little research please.



posted on Aug, 27 2011 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
reply to post by DeNaga
 

Now race is a theory. You have only mentioned physical characteristics which DO NOT establish the base for race. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent. If we are going to classify things using this illusory instrument then I should assume based on the genetic variation found in Africa alone would conclude there are at least 200 races alone. Your telling me adaptation is wrong??? One can reside in one environment and completely mutate in another. That is fact.


Where did I say adaptation was wrong? Don't put words in my mouth. If you re-read my post, earlier in this thread, I was making the point that not all blacks are the same if you want to get technical. Or you could go the other way and say we are all humans. It depends on what type of adaptation you are talking about. If we are talking a darwinism, wrong. A geneticist will laugh in your face with that one. If we are talking about something like sickle cell, then yeah.
The key to this mystery lies in the blood. Again this is the reason that certain tribes were told not to mix with other tribes regardless and especially because of race. The thing you say is an theory. Is what I just said a theory too? And if not why would it be said? Like I said, here comes the "we are the world" theme when people get slapped silly with info.



Back to surface, your focusing on the different branches of humanity and your trying to convey and convince me that they do not have the same trunk!!?? This is completely erroneous. For the record, you have no idea about my lineage, history, creed, or blood line for that matter. Do not make radical claims.


Did I say I did? Again where are you getting this stuff from. I specifically stated that not all so called white, european, cacausoid, blah blah, we don't know what to call them because they are really non of those are of the same root. Of course we are talking about when they began to show up on the scene because if we go back far enough we know they were not around. This is the reason Darwinism is pushed because it's more convenient to hope people think that they are an evolution, instead of a regression.


I know who I am. and the first line in my sig says it all. vibe on that.
Everyone does NOT produce sufficient eumelanin


Trying to make yourself look like you a dropping some real science or something by twisting my words. I never said everyone produces SUFFICIENT eumelanin. As far as your sig, cute. You never told me your creed or any other info, who cares. I at least told you I didn't have any monkey blood, so I volunteered some info. If what I said does not pertain to you, then ignore.


, let me be a little more precise with this guy, and when dealing with creatures that have not seen the light of day in the last couple of hundred of years, they do NOT produce this chemical. You need to understand etymology if your going to figure this our
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Do you know what happens to people with zero melanin in their skin smarty guy?
Do you know what DNA is bathed in?
Do you understand the job of Melanin?


The word aryan is a sanskrit word and its origins have nothing to do with anglo, european, or so called 'whites'. It has nothing to do with them and indigenous people from africa have blue eyes and blonde hair,so I don't know where you going with that......


I am glad you admit you don't know where I am going with that and I hope you realize that I already knew that was an sanskrit word just like swastika, aw come on man give me some credit hear. I am try to say something without saying it.

If you want to discuss or debate a point then we can do that. Worrying about how long it appears I have been on this site or my post count? Really now.



posted on Aug, 28 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Not to point out the obvious to the resident black nationalist's, but all Egyptian Sub-Saharan Blacks where brought in by Muslims after the fall of Christian Egypt as slaves.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by DeNaga

Originally posted by milkyway12
.... why are you guys so infatuated with Race..


I could quiet honestly care less the Americans enslaved the Black people , considering the Blacks enslaved them because they lost tribal warfare generally , and we bought them. Whites have been enslaved just as long as the Blacks have , Asians have been enslaved just as long as the blacks have.

I could care less what black , white , Asian people accomplish. We are here today and the world will keep spinning if you dont stand up and make a discovery. Youll die the next , or youll live the next , no one truly cares until it comes to your own skin.

Race is trivial , im tired of hearing about it. The white Man enslaved the black man .... the White man enslaved the white man too. The Middle eastern enslaved the the middle eastern as well. The Asians enslaved Asians as well.

Get over yourself. Go back to Africa or your home Nation if you dont like it. It happened. Get over it.


So im basically sayin ..... i could care less what color you are. The world keeps spinning whether your dead or a live white or black or Asian or Hispanic. I dont walk down the street or going look at the mexican or black guy , no i go down the street saying look at that idiot (if your doing something stupid) We need to stop associating race with everything. Gets you no where.

Ive seen , all walks of people bleed , and its the same color .... same fear.
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Yeah race is trivial when someone checks your arse on the bs that's being put out. I agree that it's shouldn't be about race, but unfortunately that's what's implied everyday. Everyday I turn on the tv, it's whiteyville...Race is reality whether you realize it or not. If you have never been profiled, or disrespected because of your race, or have idiots claiming your heritage then you would know what it feels like. Until the truth is told about racial differences then we as a group cannot move forward because the next evolutional level is biological, and I'll let you guess who they are studying right now.

The Moors enslaved the white man and the white man made the blacks in america think they were brought over here as slaves. Two totally different things.

As far as the go back to africa comment, we were here first. Before the white man, before the so call "indians", and before the so called hispanics. Did you know that a woman by the name of empress verdiace of the moorish nation took the government to court in the 80s to prove that the louisiana purchase was illegal, and that blacks were the idigenous people of this land and won! The moorish nation was also recognized by the geneva convention as a separate nation. Also the empress was petitioned by the govenor of texas to recognize texas as a soveriegn state because texas wasn't recognize by the geneva convention and the only way a country or state can be sovereign is by the geneva convention or to be recognized by another sovereign nation.
How bout you go back to where you came from if you can find it.



I would like your source to this court case. As or right now:

"Various United States courts have held that the Wa#aw Nation is "fictional" and that it is not recognized as a sovereign nation."

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Absolute truth. African's used to be the only people on the planet until they migrated and turned white. Ancient Knowledge of reptilian influence is also significant. The europeans stole knowledge from egypt and created the bible.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Egypt didn't come about till later. Pre 10,000BS Africa was known as Ethiopiawi, all of Afric was considered Ethiopia. Ge'ez was the first language script ever written and is more effective than latin. The oldest bible is written in Ge'ez and is in Ethiopia. So how does that happen? I'll tell ya, everything was stolen from Africa, all knowledge and religion, and then it was perverted and used to surpress people.
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