The madman that killed all those innocent people is no christian. No true man of God would EVER do such a thing. This joker is a pretender, a false prophet and a fraud. Jesus Christ (a.k.a. Yeshua in hebrew tongue) would have railed against such an act of barbarism. Peace and Love was Christs way, Jesus would NEVER condone this behavior. It is not our way to murder people. If they will not surrender their life,love and soul to Christ then that is their right. Fear and terror are the weapons of Satan, NOT the Lord God.

Some people at ATS are really scary.

Because between the lines one can see the same intolerance and blood hunger that you can read on the Gunman Manifesto.

Then, Hypocrisy:

This madman labels himself as christian, Then you state that he does not represent all christians

But, When some muslim does an act of terrorism, then is the whole islamic culture the terrorist one.

It's easy to accommodate the world that way isn't it?


The problem is not on one's beliefs. The problem is to believe that your religion gives you the right to wipe out other people just because they think different to you.

When i read the AntiSocialism propaganda of right followers on ats, i see the same hatred feelings of any muslim anti-usa propaganda. Just plain HATE.

This tragedy really touched me. Its insane what HATE does on peoples mind that they are willing to damage children in the process.

That's why i think it's time for all the extreme people in ATS to start looking yourself at the mirror, and think:

- Am i planting seeds of hate to my children towards different cultures /religions ?
- Am i teaching my children to use violence as a valid way of solving problems, teaching them how to use guns and how to be cold about the value of human life?

Because if all of the extremist thinkers here are doing exactly that, then we will have many Anders Breivik's and Osama's for a long time....


Think of your children. And our childrens !

The lesson here is to realize that violence should not be fought with more violence.
Because the victims of today then becomes the genocides of tomorrow.

Otherwise then it's better that the famous comet just hit us before more horror is made.

Originally posted by ozzraven
That's why i think it's time for all the extreme people in ATS to start looking yourself at the mirror, and think:

- Am i planting seeds of hate to my children towards different cultures /religions ?
- Am i teaching my children to use violence as a valid way of solving problems, teaching them how to use guns and how to be cold about the value of human life?

Some interesting points. But let me turn this back around on you:

- Are YOU planting seeds of hate in my children by forcing them to live in a multicultural society that they had no say in?
- Are YOU teaching my children that the only way their voice will be heard is through violence?

See... none of us want violence. I'm a pacifist and an anti-racist. I won't teach my children to hate and I won't teach them to judge anyone by their ancestry. I will teach them that they have an ethnic identity and heritage to be proud of, and I will teach them that they are free to speak their mind so long as they harm no-one. I will teach them that Political Correctness is a sham and that no politician is EVER to be trusted, but they won't become violent because of me. They are far more likely to become violent because of the stranglehold the left-leaning establishment has put on all debate surrounding culture, identity and immigration. This, I'm afraid, is something that those 'Liberals' who deny their opponents a platform will be responsible for.

Originally posted by Cythraul
A white Christian conservative right-winger who opposes Cultural Marxism and Islam, uses guns and has an organic farm.

Just to clarify, VG, Dabladet and others have said that he isn't religious, meaning he's not Christian. Although he does believe in a higher power.

Don't have a link to the story, read it earlier today.

it sounds almost like he was 'created'. living a normal life as he would, only led into this direction by external forces.

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
And now this man Anders has gone and stuffed it all up and given the far-left NWO the reasons to implement the final stage....transition and transition will be made through the class eradication that is the third world war.

Absolutely. Same with Hitler. Both were mass-murdering scum who did nothing but hinder their own causes for decades to come.

...though I don't remember exactly when and why you and I have disagreed in other threads

I'm hearing that witnesses on the island said three interesting things:

1. They allege they heard the sound of two guns from two different directions on the island

2. Some allege they saw a man in plain clothes with dark hair also shooting

3. When the Police arrived on the island they called out to Breivik by name; they knew who he was before they even made it to the island......

Originally posted by bluemirage5
I'm hearing that witnesses on the island said three interesting things:

1. They allege they heard the sound of two guns from two different directions on the island

2. Some allege they saw a man in plain clothes with dark hair also shooting

3. When the Police arrived on the island they called out to Breivik by name; they knew who he was before they even made it to the island......

1. Could be an echo.

2. A large political event without at least one person who is a member of some alphabet soup organization who is allowed to pack in public wouldn't be completely unlikely.

3. Perhaps Breivik left them a message to tell them who he was. Fits with the rest of his self-aggrandizement.

Originally posted by Cythraul
- Are YOU planting seeds of hate in my children by forcing them to live in a multicultural society that they had no say in?

First of all, As every human being is different, we are naturally exposed to our differences, and we have to be tolerant on this if we want to survive as society and mankind. If your children were taught to be intolerant to other cultures, is obvious that they will feel violently threatened by a multicultural society. Then, the seed is not planted by me.

Originally posted by Cythraul
- Are YOU teaching my children that the only way their voice will be heard is through violence?

Sadly. Today, every political view from left to right teach this to future generations. You got a point in here.

Originally posted by Cythraul
This, I'm afraid, is something that those 'Liberals' who deny their opponents a platform will be responsible for.

Sorry but i feel this is like saying that there is a correlation between having or not having a plattaform and the violent consequences after this.
I hate to bring this up, but hitler or/and stalin had a plattaform to express they hatred views and that didn`t help anyone at the end. That just spreaded the HATE seed.

As you see Political "Incorrect" inmigration views , were the trigger of this nutjob.
He wasn't able to draw the Moral line.

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
This is mainly down to globalist tactics of Multicultural extremism, Global media brainwashing and selective education making the working and middle classes angry.

What happens if we change some concepts here, And this in the voice of an angry muslim :

"This is mainly down to facists tactics of Capitalism extremism, American media brainwashing and selective education making the middle east culture angry."

Isn't this exactly what we critize here in occcident ?

See how the basis of every ideology does not change the message when this message is of HATE and VIOLENCE ?

And if we cannot see this on an "Deny Ignorance" forum, how we can expect that nutjobs out there would think better

Think about it.

Originally posted by Tib50

Originally posted by SFA437

Originally posted by Tib50
nip> but he used dumdum bullets to cause maximum suffering, maximum bloodshed and certain death

when you say things like this it brings to mind a 12 year old playing Call of Duty doing the posting.

You're certainly right, and I'd say that 12 year old has a lot more skill than I have, never having even been NEAR a gun in my life! I was only repeating what I had read in the papers and on the wiki, that dumdum bullets not only tear a huge hole in the body, larger than the bullet, but explode inside the body, causing massive internal damage, unlike normal bullets that can go right through the body cleanly. I also read that the wounds were so difficult for battlefield doctors to treat, and regarded as so inhumane, that dumdum bullets were banned by the Hague Convention from use in war.

Thank you for explaining the true nature of those bullets, though.

Don't believe everything you see on Wiki brother- there's a good bit in that article that is rather inflammatory and technically incorrect.

Even when a correctly designed round expands as intended a typical 9mm bullet will expand to 11-12mm. They work by dumping the hundreds of foot pounds of energy generated into the body versus making neat holes and continuing on their way. The effectiveness comes from a greatly enlarged temporary wound cavity and associated hydrostatic shock- not from huge holes or explosive detonation.

In this case- considering the shooter was in close proximity to his victims, the target density on the island, the amount of ammunition he was carrying and his desire to kill as many as possible I am surprised the death toll was not much, much higher regardless of ammunition construction.

As a side note an OT- interesting the Hague Convention disallowed hollowpoints and this is still adhered to but further international agreements have no problems with the use of high explosives and nuclear weaponry