posted on Aug, 20 2004 @ 04:26 PM
Not to put to fine a point on it Islam has no foundation on which to build a reform movement all prior attempt fail Islam is about conquest.
Nothing to be ashamed of ,but something that I personally reject.
There is little left after this.
this abrogates the mecca verses.
it shows mohammed was a killer for took for ranson and stole,
it says Allah want muslims to die
it tells muslims to invade other lands form armies and take over the world.
It tells them to torture capitives and create terror.
Twist it if you want but you cant change what it says
.Its pretty plain. No interpretation is needed.
8.57. So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a
8.58. If you (O Muhammad ) fear treachery from any people throw back (their covenant) to them (so as to be) on equal terms (that there will be no more
covenant between you and them). Certainly All‚h likes not the treacherous.
8.59. And let not those who disbelieve think that they can outstrip (escape from the punishment). Verily, they will never be able to save themselves
(from All‚h's Punishment).
60. And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of
All‚h and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom All‚h does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of All‚h shall be
repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.
8.61. But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in All‚h. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
8.62. And if they intend to deceive you, then verily, All‚h is All-Sufficient for you. He it is Who has supported you with His Help and with the
8.63. And He has united their (i.e. believers') hearts. If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have united their hearts, but All‚h
has united them. Certainly He is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
8.64. O Prophet (Muhammad )! All‚h is Sufficient for you and for the believers who follow you.
8.65. O Prophet (Muhammad )! Urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast persons amongst you, they will overcome two hundred, and if
there be a hundred steadfast persons they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are people who do not
8.66. Now All‚h has lightened your (task), for He knows that there is weakness in you. So if there are of you a hundred steadfast persons, they shall
overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand of you, they shall overcome two thousand with the Leave of All‚h. And All‚h is with As-S‚birin (the
patient ones, etc.).
8. 67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war
(and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among
his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the
money of ransom for freeing the captives), but All‚h desires (for you) the Hereafter. And All‚h is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
8. 68. Were it not a previous ordainment from All‚h, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took.
8.69. So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good, and be afraid of All‚h. Certainly, All‚h is Oft-Forgiving, Most
8.70. O Prophet! Say to the captives that are in your hands: "If All‚h
knows any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than
what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you, and All‚h is
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
8.71. But if they intend to betray you (O Muhammad ), they have already
betrayed All‚h before. So He gave (you) power over them. And All‚h is
8.72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and
fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of All‚h as
well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, - these are (all) allies
to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to
you O Muhammad ), you owe no duty of protection to them until they
emigrate , but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to
help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual
alliance, and All‚h is the All-Seer of what you do.
8.73. And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you
(Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become
allies, as one united block with one Khalifah - chief Muslim ruler for
the whole Muslim world to make victorious Al‚h's Religion of Isl‚mic
Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and
oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of
8.74. And those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard in the
Cause of All‚h (Al-Jih‚d), as well as those who gave (them) asylum and
aid; - these are the believers in truth, for them is forgiveness and
Rizqun KarÓm (a generous provision i.e. Paradise).
If every Muslims converted to Hinduism tomorrow it does not change what Mohammed claims Allah said and commands one dot or squiggle .
Good muslims Kill 4 Allah. Nothing you can say changes that.
ISLAM= SEDITION --TRUTH= HATE SPEECH
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