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Here's what I wrote,
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by jmdewey60
I might point out that eating pork does not injure anything... There is nothing one can eat that can defile a man...
Its not what goes into the mouth that defile a man, but what comes out can....
Must i post scripture to back this point?
edit on 11-10-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Go ahead and quote the verse if you know them. I think that would be instructive. I can't think of any. We don't have the same understanding of ritual impurity as people did back in the day so I don't know if there is any concern about personal defilement. That would be present in the case of Islam, having a thinking which is a throw-back to the iron age. There may be something to all that superstition, which recognizes the power of the earth gods though they do not give them the name. Despite their lack of power over the next world, they do hold sway in this. To quote Paul, "Does not nature show us this?"
We don't have to suffer a divine punishment for eating pork but we do injure our souls by the defilement, just my opinion.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by queenofangels_17
Please tell me what makes Mohamad "better" then Jesus...
Im curious...
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by jmdewey60
I might point out that eating pork does not injure anything... There is nothing one can eat that can defile a man...
Its not what goes into the mouth that defile a man, but what comes out can....
Must i post scripture to back this point?
edit on 11-10-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Interesting re-writing of the Gospel.
---- these are the words of Jesus (peace be upon him)...
18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Akragon
Mark 7
18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Actually, the clause 'purging all meats' was a margin note from one manuscript which got incorporated into a new manuscript upon copying.
The passage actually shows that at least some of the disciples of Jesus were literate, or even scribes. Uncleanness of hands can be caused by touching scriptures with at least 85 characters.
see: The Halakhah: An Encyclopaedia of the Law of Judaism By Jacob Neusner page 426 "All sacred scriptures impart uncleanness to the hands."
So some disciples didn't wash their hands after handling 'sacred scripture' before eating. These Galilean scribes did not observe the customs of Jerusalem scribes. see verse 1.
So you're saying that eating meat can still defile a person?
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Akragon
So you're saying that eating meat can still defile a person?
I'm not saying anything about food. Touching scripture doesn't defile, reading it out loud defiles. Maybe since the recent invention of reading silently, just looking at it may defile the soul. I personally don't understand all that Jewish defilement taboo. I don't think washing hands (outside of cup) can remove soul (inside) defilement.
Best to just live with defilement I guess, and not expect admittance into any "holy place" or "holy assembly". I don't call myself 'exiled' for nothing.
Defilment would be something to make you have to keep your distance from God.
Again, what you eat does not defile you, its what you say, and what you do that will "defile" you...
Defilment would be something to make you have to keep your distance from God.
I was saying there is something, more than superficial, in who you are, in this world, which is injurious.
6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by queenofangels_17
And by the way, this is my issue with what you said...
You called both Jesus and mohammad equal... yet you also said this...
Jesus ( peace be upon him) is the Prophet of God sent to the Children of Israel ONLY, not to the gentiles... that is reserved for the Prophet sent to ALL mankind, the Prophet Muhammad ( peace and blessings be upon him).
which is entirely incorrect... Jesus was sent to the world not just a part of the world. His words are there for anyone who choses to read them. Though not everyone will understand what he meant in his teachings, which is quite evident just by glancing over a few threads in this forum.
I know that you are a reader of the scripture; did Jesus (peace be upon him) said that he was sent to all mankind or did he specifically said that he was sent ONLY to the Children of Israel (12 tribes).
The FACT that the Prophet Muhammad( peace be upon him) is sent to ALL mankind does not make him better than Jesus (peace be upon him). You totally ignore the part where Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke of the coming of the Prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him)
Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by queenofangels_17
I know that you are a reader of the scripture; did Jesus (peace be upon him) said that he was sent to all mankind or did he specifically said that he was sent ONLY to the Children of Israel (12 tribes).
He did specifically say to the Children of Israel actually... but look what else he said...
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Incorrect, i can't ignore something when i haven't read it... I've read bits of the koran, and i know little of the Islamic belief system... But already i've found an issue with it...
From your post...
Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know
What use does God have for wealth?
The passage means that you should spend of your wealth in the cause of Allah means giving to charity.. feeding the poor, the needy, the way-farer for love of Allah.
Look all the passages relating to wealth in the Holy Qur'an. We do not take alms in the Mosque like Churches do, we give it directly to the poor.
47 And when it is said unto them: Spend of that wherewith Allah hath provided you, those who disbelieve say unto those who believe: Shall we feed those whom Allah, if He willed, would feed ? Ye are in naught else than error manifest.
Jesus said that he is sent ONLY to the Children of Israel... the rest of the Scripture that you quoted does not mean that he is sent to the whole world.
The Son of Man appertains to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his teaching will last until the Day of Judgment just as Jesus (peace be upon him) predicted when he said of the Paraclete ( which translated into Arabic means Muhammad)
Why did Jesus use the word "Paraclete" when he predicted the coming of the Comforter after him?
According to the Aramaic Bible Society, the word "Paraclete" back then meant the "Praised One". Muhammad's name was "Ahmed". Both Muhammad and Ahmed in Arabic mean "The Honored One" or the "Praised One".
If you deny that Jesus (peace be upon him) foretold the coming of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). On the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against you. Do you know better or does ALLAH?
Jesus said that he is sent ONLY to the Children of Israel
The Son of Man appertains to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his teaching will last until the Day of Judgment just as Jesus (peace be upon him) predicted when he said of the Paraclete ( which translated into Arabic means Muhammad)
But I tell you the truth, It is better for you that I should go away; for if I do not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I should go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, he will rebuke the world concerning sin, concerning righteousness, and concerning Judgment. Concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; Concerning righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you will not see me again; Concerning judgment, because the leader of this world has been judged. Again, I have many other things to tell you, but you cannot grasp them now. But when the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all the truth: for he will not speak from himself, but what he hears, that he will speak: and he will make known to you things which are to come in the future. He will glorify me