Originally posted by starviego

Originally posted by SevenStarrz
... As for the "manifesto", I question that it was authored by the gunman, or at least he was told what to write.

Exactly. All the supposed online 'evidence' is highly suspect. How do we even know Breivik wrote the manifesto--in apparently expert English, not his native tongue? And what does gunning down a bunch of innocents--most of them of his own race and culture--have to do with fighting immigration and multiculturalism? Nothing!!! It is amazing to me how many people buy into the nonsense that is put in front of them.

Exactly.

Thank you.

Originally posted by starviego

How do we even know Breivik wrote the manifesto--in apparently expert English, not his native tongue? And what does gunning down a bunch of innocents--most of them of his own race and culture--have to do with fighting immigration and multiculturalism? Nothing!!! It is amazing to me how many people buy into the nonsense that is put in front of them.

He is writing in prison as well, in English. Most of the text in the manifest is cut'n'paste from other sources. When he was at the first court hearing he wanted to talk in English as it was his working language I think he put it. Hey I'm writing in English, I'm from Norway, am I a mind control victim?

In ABB's mind those people was not innocent, they were traitors for letting the Norwegian culture be exterminated by letting in Muslims and allowing multiculturalism to grow. In the manifest he lists different countries and how many traitors each country has divided into "A" and "B" traitors. Almost all of them politicians, writers and journalists. In Norway he lists around 4500 people to be "A" traitors all of them white Norwegians.

If you want to find a conspiracy and can only look a things in terms of conspiracy all you can find is a conspiracy.

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen



If you want to find a conspiracy and can only look a things in terms of conspiracy all you can find is a conspiracy.

Or ... it could actually *be* a conspiracy ...

Originally posted by SevenStarrz

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen



If you want to find a conspiracy and can only look a things in terms of conspiracy all you can find is a conspiracy.

Or ... it could actually *be* a conspiracy ...

edit on 1-8-2011 by SevenStarrz because: (no reason given)

Or it might be time to use logic and reason instead of grasping at straws.

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen
Or it might be time to use logic and reason instead of grasping at straws.

Or it could be time to maybe think outside of the official story!

(But, we've made our points. This is kind of bickery now, yes? Boring for other readers. Let's leave it here, or go to private message.)

Aeons, I don't debate with you, because all you do is bait (such as saying I am presenting myself as an authority, when I am clearly NOT.) Furthermore, there is absolutely no point or intelligible argument to your posts, except that you weirdly follow me about trolling me. So, bait away. I'm not that easy to manipulate, and frankly, you bore me. END OF.

Originally posted by SevenStarrz


I don't think the point is to "silence", but to monitor, because now people fear both muslims, and far right extremists.

The way I see it is, you can't have *any* opinion, except one that is middle-of-the-road, without coming under suspicion, now:

You are contradicting yourself in a very clear manner, this is not bickering, it's just you making wild and inaccurate claims and me trying to have a discussion you clearly are not willing to participate in. At least not in any serious fashion. (Very annoying).
You can go back and re-read some of my posts and see if you have any answers to my questions of your knowledge of right wing extremist groups and your view of them being able to form someones mind in a way that made ABB in to what he is today, or you can educate me on mind control, a topic I am interested in and have read a whole lot about, from MK-ULTRA via Jonestown up to Scientology.
But, please don't tell me I have only opinions, they are opinions backed up by facts, unlike yours.

I literally begged these people for a topic with an actual definition of the wishy-washy words. I desperately tried to get them to come into some semblance of a logical debate. It proved useless. They avoid being pinned to reality like a dodgy financier.

Originally posted by SkurkNilsen

Originally posted by SevenStarrz


I don't think the point is to "silence", but to monitor, because now people fear both muslims, and far right extremists.

The way I see it is, you can't have *any* opinion, except one that is middle-of-the-road, without coming under suspicion, now:

You are contradicting yourself in a very clear manner, this is not bickering, it's just you making wild and inaccurate claims and me trying to have a discussion you clearly are not willing to participate in. At least not in any serious fashion. (Very annoying).
You can go back and re-read some of my posts and see if you have any answers to my questions of your knowledge of right wing extremist groups and your view of them being able to form someones mind in a way that made ABB in to what he is today, or you can educate me on mind control, a topic I am interested in and have read a whole lot about, from MK-ULTRA via Jonestown up to Scientology.
But, please don't tell me I have only opinions, they are opinions backed up by facts, unlike yours.

No, no contradiction at all. I am saying that if you voice an opinion on either side that is extreme, you will start to come under suspicion. How is that the same as "silencing"? Silencing implies a ban on opinion. Nobody is being banned. But, public opinion is being manipulated, I think.

I do have some knowledge of right-wing groups through reading up on them, and obviously, yes, some of them are very dangerous. As are Islamic extremists. Does this change the fact that we should blindly accept the official story, without question, as to whether a particular crime or massacre was manipulated? You make it sound like conjecture is a bad thing. It's not, it's healthy, and that's what this forum is for.

My source on mind control info? I am reading 'The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an UndetectableTotal Mind Controlled Slave', by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler.

Again, you are asking for proof, when I tell you, all there is on my behalf is conjecture. The "facts" you say you have, could easily have been fabricated. Such as the manifesto. If we limit all discussions on ATS to ones where people produce "proof", there'd be about three threads.