Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway killer

There is a fantasy in his head. That he is associated to a larger group with similar views isn't it though.

I've listened to that several times now.

I get "I can't stop myself. Come stop me."

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About how he is being questioned in a more confrontational manner now.

Was he tired after being interrogated for ten hours?

- No. He was in fine form.

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Discusses the ammunition choices, and why. Thorough.

-It's hard to put into his mind, but it seems that this may reveal that he has a plan in which he has thought of all eventualities, so that his attacks would be as successful as possible, says lawyer Ivar Sveen told Dagbladet.

- It also says something about the brutality and cynicism of his thinking, said counsel.

How do you conquer fear? Plan. Cover every eventuality.

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Political piece on immigration using Anders as an example.

The one thing I note right away off the top, and so do people in the comments section, is that this piece say that Europe "needs" immigration. No, it doesn't. Norway particularly has one of the highest fertility rates in the First World.

Worse, they've literally completely deconstructed the pair bond in people between 20 and 40 in Norway. I found these figures for myself, and 67% in this age group have never been married. SIXTY SEVEN.

In my country these figures are climbing as well, but here they are starting to remove access to these statistics over the last decade. What they also don't put out is that these numbers are being artificially inflated for marriage and children by immigration. So you don't get to see that after the immigration generation, the people who can't manage to find a mate and have children in a successful partnership declines abruptly.

This is a clear sign something is terribly wrong. This "diversity" is being promoted as positive and a triumph of what people want. It isn't. That's why they keep having to tell people that they *love* it. If they do, why do they need to be reminded every week?

"The brown dangers", what a hilarious title. They ment nazis, but the real "brown danger" is the one coming from the middle east/africa. I read a few weaks ago that the utöya massacre was a natural side effect of the enforced multi culture in norway. This is indeed true.

The writer makes comparisions with other events that has taken place in scandinavia. He mentions Peter mangs. Peter mangs where a true, swedish patriots that stood up for his country, against the jews and the enforced multi culturlism. To compare Breivik with this heroe is abnoxious. Breivik is only doing the jews dirty work.
Many wonder why the jews would force upon norway multi culture to then direct Breivik in the way they did.
It's not strange at all. They want people to oppose against nationalism and they are becoming succesfull.

I figured that the "Brown Danger" was supposed to either refer to immigration or be about "brown shirts." But again, this is where translation fails. I don't speak the language, and I'm just starting to pick up some of its written style. I certainly don't understand it well enough to make a guess as to local usage.

NOK took me a bit to suss context. "assume" "enough" a replacement for Norge it seems sometimes, and of course the abbrev. for currrency. Language. So much fun.

He's a symptom of a problem. So are you. One I'm willing to be impolite, and maybe sit in a place that people find VERY uncomfortable to point out.

In case it occurs to you or anyone else that I wouldn't if this wasn't an online handle: In the week after July 22, I had 4 people who know me approach me because they knew I would have read Anders already, and could answer some questions they had and for an executive style analysis. I'm well known for being Liberal. In the mean time several other people have asked me a few things. People in my family know, my husband knows, coworkers know, friends know. This isn't outside my known personality. I'm seriously annoyed.


Yes, I know that Anders isn't a Nazi. He made that very clear in 2083. He barely qualifies even as a Nationalist.

As I've pointed out before, I've debated literally THOUSANDS, maybe tens of thousands, of people more right-wing than he is. That he is radicalized is ridiculous.

Once he thought of it, he couldn't stop. That's a disorder. That someone with his basic politics (before Book Three) is cut out of the political arena is ridiculous.

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Attorney Frode Elgesem assisting AUF, is critical to the Behring Breivik defender considering using his remark that he would surrender as an element in the defense of mass murderer.

- For the criminal justice assessment of the cruel acts that Anders Breivik Behring has made, this has no significance. I think that this could be a strategy to take the focus away from his actions. I do not think you should allow, and I think the trial in very little should be about this.

I wasn't aware that the lawyer for a political party was allowed to craft the defense for the accused.

I thought I might throw this into here since I'm looking at sourcing definitions for use in other discussions.

Why would someone combine Christianity and Norse Mythology? Maybe because they have an innate understanding of the basis of modern pan-European/New World governments and the concepts of Conservatism?



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Standard nineteenth-century accounts of Western civilization understood the West to have four roots. Athens stood emblematically as the source of the West’s philosophical traditions. Jerusalem was the source of the West’s religious traditions. Rome was the source of the West’s legal traditions. And Germany—the German forests, in which had dwelt the Gothic tribes—was the source of the peculiarly Western spirit of liberty, contract, and self-government. In such an account, the West was in effect an alternative, secularized name for “Western Christendom.” Christianity, after all, had absorbed ancient philosophy; the church had displaced the Roman Empire as a universal jurisdiction; and the Goths were converted. In such an account, Christianity is the primary “marker” of the West, and so Rome, the eternal city, might be understood as the main taproot among the other, lesser roots. Such an account had, and continues to have, a particular appeal for traditionalist conservatives: the West they seek to defend is readily recognizable as Christendom. As a result, such conservatism has tended to have a high opinion of medieval civilization, finding within it a privileged cultural synthesis that remains normative, and so standing in a critical relationship to certain features of the contemporary world. Such a conservatism also searches in the Middle Ages for the origins of many Western institutions and practices that are often mistaken for modern innovations. The source of the West’s dynamism, for example, is found to be the church.

Interview with Geir Lippestad, and another version of the phonecall to 112 (emergency services).

Also has one of the numerous court drawing of Anders Behring.
There are so many talented artists in the world, one has to wonder why it is that court artists are so horrible. Seriously are they frustrated comic book artists?

I see quite a bit of commentary about his voice being feminine? Is this a cultural difference, because I don't notice that? His voice is deeper than the emergency operators. Is this cultural commentary on his use of language, dialect, enunciation or pronunciation? I catch normal-deep voice, measured accultured pronunciation, a bit of nervous as he moves from his original script to ad-lib conversation, mumbling due to being distracted.


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A piece on the psychiatric impressions of Anders Behring, from the lay person to the experts.

But most interesting is that is goes into the word usage I've pointed out. That if he ends up on trial, and people can see him that the predefined monster/demon/evil/crazy labels are not going to accurately reflect what people see. This piece is directed a bit differently, but it is at its core the same warning.

(Oh, and media, observers and psychiatrists keep mentioning the sneer-smile. They can't figure it out. The sneer-smile was real. That isn't a nervous tic. It is internal commentary about the process happening around him. Not intended for public consumption.)

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He was a little angry when he discovered that two other packages were delayed, said Agnethe Odhe in DB Schenker in Karlstad. It was Breivik even made the carrier aware that it was missing two pieces.

Odhe said they felt sorry for him, since he came from Norway, and that's why they remember him.

- The packs were heavy, she says.

More discussion at link of how the transactions for the bomb materials went.

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This is a piece discussing the journalist's friends analysis of Anders Behring's motives and suggesting that they don't make sense, that his main motive was to become a famous mass murderer.

I happen to disagree that this was his main goal, but all the same I put it up for your consumption.

The continued cognitive dissonance of people who disagree using terms like "hero" or "soldier" even if it is in disgust or to prove their point. I've yet to see anyone right of center do this.

He's done an excellent job of finding and sitting in that spot of maximum cultural dissonance. The only people not as confused are the people who rejected the modifications of Islamist terrorists. Which means that the people he was attacking are the people most unable to reconcile and its leaking through.

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Ila prison's plans for reducing the effects of isolation dysfunction.

I'll note that this suggests that they know his sentence already. They don't expect it to be in a mental institution.

I guess that they only have four more days. Maybe they haven't started tendering yet.

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The state is appealing the lifting of his media ban to continue restricted access.

Ila prison continues to say that he won't get Internet access. Stupid computer is still stupid I bet. If he is using it for writing, with access to a small library I bet it feels like someone hacked out part of his brain.

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Media access opens up on December 13, 2011.
Letter and personal visits without police check on January 10, 2012.
Next Incarceration meeting Monday, February 6, 2012 at which they expext to extend incarceration to the trial scheduled to start April 16, 2012.

Just cross checked with court documents. This seems correct.

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Psychiatry has been looking for underlying causes of the Behring Anders Breivik has been one of world history's worst mass murderers. His own explanation is in the Aftenposten that he believes he has an over-developed empathy.

When asked about how it is possible for him to have the idea, as long as he relentlessly has murdered 77 people, including many children, he replies that he has saved millions of lives by taking the decision he took.

Ah. The experts inch closer and closer to bits of my assessment.

I guess more about this is coming out on Saturday.

What is your assesment?

I've got bits and pieces of it all over this thread. Actually you might not be aware that this thought process has triggered a couple of other threads that aren't addressing Anders Behring specifically. What I think he is isn't currently covered by any diagnosis that you'll find in any manual.

He's far too complicated for that. So complicated in fact, that they will probably try and throw about 10 diagnosis at him and bits and pieces of a number of them will stick.

I could sum it up perhaps as displaced tribal warrior. As a matter of fact, I think I could rather accurately pin this essential analysis on a pile of you guys.

A cross-section of a population whose traits have are being triggered by an accidental confluence of socialist deconstructionist stupidity, environmental or recreational chemicals, broken mate pairing, transference of love-loyalty to the tribe minus normal social modifiers, lack of leadership, access to intense training regimes organically recreated, all of which are triggering neuro-chemical changes in a sub-section of the populace - mostly male - from pre-birth to adolescence. Some people don't need to be triggered, this is essentially what they are already.

All I need to add to this drink mix is a catalyst, and big-badda-boom.

This one had a catalyst, is intelligent, and has a mind for strategy. But worst of all, he has a gigantic sense of responsibility, and the brains to back up his concerns. I'm surprised he fits into his cell, when his sense of responsibility is barely contain by the borders of Europe.

He also has the ability to intentionally subdivide his personality. I doubt you'll find anyone with a degree who will willingly tell you that this is possible.

I can pull together all the bits and pieces of it into a more cohesive format with my specific observations and my guesses. This the short and sweet and highly general. I can give it less Jungian overtones.

Round two.

That was what he was up to the point he set the bomb. Maybe up to the point that he warned the one woman to leave the area.

The acts themselves are traumatizing and transformative. The willingness to submit oneself to a cause isn't a full set of mental armour.

So now he's got significant psyche trauma, inconsistent reintegration being obfuscated by the questioning method reinforcing the one personality subdivide, and is no longer on the steroid-stack that was reinforcing depersonalization.

Since he isn't without empathy he'll be empathizing with his victims. The depersonalization allowed them to be vermin. Now he and they have something in common. They are all going to be sacrificed for a cause.

If he's suggestible to his environment, and I still think he is, he's now trying to help the police while not being disloyal to his original cause.

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Two members of the defense will be going abroad this week and won't be at the presentation of the psychological report.

This report takes a position on whether the mass murderer is criminally sane or not, and will weigh heavily during the trial that starts 16 April next year. One of the themes in the past questioning of Breivik has been his trips abroad. In his so-called manifesto he claims to have visited one of 20 different countries, he has maintained in interviews.

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Discussion of his financial means.

I can confirm that he has made ​​millions, says police lawyer in Oslo Christian Hatlo to NRK. - We have so far not taken him in a lie, but we have not gone deep into and drilled in the fields of finance, said Hatlo.

Ten million Kroner is 1,712,203 USD.


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A bit on Delta Squad who went to Utoya, and the work they did on the injured.

Very good. This is far closer to the psyche surgery required.


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Article on childhood neglect and being sent to "respite." Is this the Norwegian version of being taken in to emergency foster care? Seems like it. So is the character assassination with these records really about him being concerned about him, or is it about his Mother?

Could be either, or both. From experience, people do judge you about it. The most "compassionate" crowd quite often looks at you like they are suddenly concerned that you are about to go mass murderer on them that moment. I can make good money, do all the right things, and if someone finds out they suddenly act like I murder kittens for a hobby - and the left-wing people are the worst for it. If they do that to me and I'm a female, I imagine that some of the reactions you get as a guy are more extreme.

I'm sure that all the young people taken into care are going to so love the reactions that they get after this trial. All the "nice" people will seem like they are kicking you the stomach. Act out, or sublimation so that they are more likable to those around them who are sending them mixed messages about how they are the only people who care, and think you might kill them in their sleep. Oh what fun. A generation of those-at-risk experiencing serious social dissonance in their formative years added on top of the other known trauma of the known victims. That should be fun for Norway as a long term issue.

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My audience is so much larger than I would have ever expected.

Anyways, interesting article. About Anders' psychological profile.

They undermine it usefulness it by harping on Islamophobia. So while this could have been a good way to "personalize" him and reduce reaction, instead they've decided to be provocative and use it as a political tool to continue with the ever-greening of Islamists. Is islamophobia your professional opinion? Can I accuse atheists of being religiousophobes? How about Catholicophobia? Are Islamic terrorists Westernophobes?

Awesome. Leave no opportunity wasted.

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The pic that goes with this one of Satan is fantabulous.

I guess some are offering to exorcise him of his host of demons.

Blogger believes he should not be given access to anyone, and it is social suicide to be in contact with him and anyone who does will be likely to be radicalized.

Thought-Poison-ophobia.

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Anzor Chechen boy told how police mistook him for an accomplice Breivik.

Rustam Daudov, the victim: "We took, threw stones and fled. He would not turn if it did not hit a rock, and cried out to: "Chernye children."

Chernye is Russian colloquial for "the blacks" (cheryne). Gypsies, Georgians, Chechens.

Is this a commonly known colloquialism in Norway? Lots of influence from Russia in him.

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About Pedersen. Man's a victim. He's also a trigger point. Discussion of people's reactions which aren't in the press.

Quite a bit in the press about the release of the psychiatry report. Not bringing up anything new.

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It's the same impression I have tried to communicate from day one: that he has a reality that no other parts, and that it is very difficult to recognize themselves in. And it runs on a wide range of reality.

He's swimming in a much larger stream.

Another example is that he believed that he would be tried by court martial. It's just taking two phones to find out that it is not the way it works, says Lippe City. - When you read the manifesto, you get the impression that everything is very planned, that he has studied things in nine years. But it is often not well planned or studied yet. It's like day and times that are different, objectives that are different and many things all the way which is different than he had imagined.

Many of these oddities can be explained by understanding the sources of his information. He studied people and organizations from other countries, their methods and and what has happened to them. Jihadis mainly.

He didn't have a dearth of Norwegian examples to go on. I doubt he would have made a phone call about this sort of information so as not to draw attention. He could have perhaps gone to the library to access a law library.

The differing objectives are for misdirection and/or objectives for other people. How complete can you be?

Differing objectives indeed. What an understatement. Unless you read it, you cannot imagine just how horrifying Book Three is. For example, I'm rather certain he didn't personally intend on using his authentication method for Jihadi networks to identify Justicars for cross support.

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This is a piece linking everyone who is concerned about multiculturalism or is right wing to Anders Behring, while depicting those who aren't as the underdog.

I'm sure he would be very pleased.

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Terje, beredskapstroppens campaign manager, was standing on the dock. Several injured and uninjured children came running and some gave specific descriptions of other perpetrators.

If they are 'specific' than they can only be accurate.. More evidence of what really happened on Utoya.

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Still? Really?

People have varied instincts in survival situations. Some will assign predator signals to people who are just other potential victims. Some of the older people will have had military training and therefore would be acting based on their training. There were unarmed service people there who probably weren't acting like everyone else. Then there are the few people whose instincts are completely different than everyone else, and people's base brains will correctly identify these people as being potential predators or leaders...or both.

That's all it is. That's all it is most of the time.

What do you suppose those other people you think were there were doing? Apparently, they weren't shooting people. Nor did they light any fires, garrot people, stab them, set up cameras....or anything at all "useful" to the "operation."

If the people who gave descriptions of other perps were correct, THEY'D BE DEAD. If you can see them, they can see you. Small isolated space with multiple people with semi-auto rifles and an unarmed population? Probably most people would be dead. If there are multiples you're dead not running to report them.

There also wouldn't have been the hesitation to set the damn buildings on fire.