"WE THE PEOPLE...." and What is the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative?

First let us look at Liberals {usually Democrats} this greatly maligned group of politicians who seem to define "WE THE PEOPLE...." as meaning as many people, causes and econonmic strata as possible - they try to represent everyone which is very difficult if not impossible - but they try and in so doing often antagonize many.

On the other hand Conservatives {usually Republicans and especially The Tea Pary} are more focused - they represent money, not people and this makes causes to support easy. If you are in the upper 5% of the economy conservatives are yours - they insure that any legislation that would benefit the poor or ordinary economic wage earner is stopped, blocked or repealed {such as Universal Health Care}. Conservatives are quite righteous in their support of the Constitution which to them means "WE THE PEOPLE...." or the "In-Crowd" {used to be WASPS, White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants}; But these conservatives have become somewhat liberal! now they represent all rich people, industries and other special economic interests {no longer color racists but economic elitists}. They want to save you from "Crushing-Debt" owed on the National Debt by crushing the middle-class {whats left of it} and the old, poor and disabled. In fact a Conservative is an economic Fascist - power makes you right.

We can not tell you who to support. Obviously if you are from the middle, lower, older or disabled class you would think liberals are for you but consevatives have become masters of B-S they actually convince many who should not support them to support them.
On the other hand if you are rich or think you will become rich and do not care about human 'life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness' and believe the US Constitution & Government is only for the "In-Crowd" and believe that means to achieve your personal and always selfish ends power makes you right then support the conservatives but pray there is no after-life because if there is you know where you are going!!!

The Truth Shall Make You Free {But in what world?}

And he hits the ball wwwwwaaayyyyyy into left field and it's gone.

Originally posted by AlienView


On the other hand Conservatives {usually Republicans and especially The Tea Pary} are more focused - they represent money, not people and this makes causes to support easy. If you are in the upper 5% of the economy conservatives are yours - they insure that any legislation that would benefit the poor or ordinary economic wage earner is stopped, blocked or repealed {such as Universal Health Care}. Conservatives are quite righteous in their support of the Constitution which to them means "WE THE PEOPLE...." or the "In-Crowd" {used to be WASPS, White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants}; But these conservatives have become somewhat liberal! now they represent all rich people, industries and other special economic interests {no longer color racists but economic elitists}. They want to save you from "Crushing-Debt" owed on the National Debt by crushing the middle-class {whats left of it} and the old, poor and disabled. In fact a Conservative is an economic Fascist - power makes you right.

Wow - Fascist... You mean National Socialism like the Nazi's? That is the Tea Party and Republicans?


Well, how I would describe the "Progressive Liberals" ? The people who are elites who utilize the power of government to keep the poor masses, poor and uneducated by enslaving them with just enough free money to live and to keep them comfortable enough to keep voting for the these elites. It is clear that many of the welfare programs entice people to live on it for life. There is a "safety net" and then there is "dependence" and the Progressive Liberal cause is to have the "dependent slaves" keep them in power at the cost of those who produce in the form of taxation. Once a Government Agency is created to address a problem, that problem will never go away. The motivation of that agency is to expand, thus creating additional dependency. The closest thing you will ever see to immortality is a Government Agency, they never solve the problem they were created for and go away.

I fully believe and support "safety nets" get back on your feet programs (not that many compared to dependency programs by the way) and then there are the majority "Dependency" programs that the left supports. Dependency equals votes which equals power to the left elite. The more dependency, the more power.

Economic Freedom is the answer not dependency. Not that it matters, currently both parties are supporting GLOBALIZATION and the multinationals now. That is why we have had and still have tax breaks to outsource jobs, no tariffs yet our goods are tariffed, etc. Both parties are owned by the multinationals.

Why does the Left want to tax small business more but still we have tax loopholes in place for the multi-nationals (that compete against the US small businesses) in which they horde BILLIONS of what should be taxable income overseas? You know exactly why, they are the driving force for campaign contributions to both parties.

Originally posted by infolurker

Why does the Left want to tax small business more but still we have tax loopholes in place for the multi-nationals (that compete against the US small businesses) in which they horde BILLIONS of what should be taxable income overseas? You know exactly why, they are the driving force for campaign contributions to both parties.

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The left does not want that, you assume the left wants that

We used to hate liberals {ca. The Clinton era}. Tuned in to all the talk shows that made Bill Clinton, his wife and the rest ot the liberals sound like satan worshipers with an agenda. So why a sudden shift to the left? The times are different. Ronald Reagan was the right man at the right time whether you agreed with his policies or not and he was an effective leader.
I have no doubt we can still get to dislike liberals - they support to many causes and ultimately will antagonize many BUT here is the big difference. Our economy is in bad shape and even if you argue that it is partially {and some might say mostly} caused by big government and big government spending we are still here and now. And now the fact is the government is the biggest employer in the USA. Remember I am not saying this is good, just pointing out the way it is. If we were to follow Tea Party wishes and suddenly cut much government there will be a lot, in fact very many more unemployed people and as much as conservatives say there will be more money in the private sector and more jobs, that, if true, will still not happen over-night. And we believe a sudden cut-back on government spending 'at this time'; would be a disaster leading us from recession to depression. And then of course we could start another war to dig our way out.
And think about it, the Great Depression of 1929 was only ended with the advent of World War II, a war where massive govenment spending re-kindled industry and the rest is history.! Do we have to repeat human stupidity for economic reasons?
The National Debt referred to by conservatives as "crushing debt" is based upon a combination of bad spending and bad accounting and even Obama seems to accept that. Ron Paul, everyones favorite conservative outsider says we can right it off. But Ron Paul probably has little chance. And as far as the other so-called conservatives versus the liberals it is coming down to the old cliche as who is the lesser of two evils.
Again we do not particularly like liberals - but the conservatives are currently looking uglier.

"What is the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative?" I can't tell, really. From my narrow-minded understanding, liberals like change, such as voting rights and conservatives like tradition, such as family values.

Folks - have a look in my signature section for a thread that may enlighten you all on this subject...

The Revenant.

I love these threads, we can all bounce our ideas back and forth in a mature fashion without clinging on to ideological stereotypes. Really positive, really brings out the best in ATS