Electron Warning!

ELECTRON WARNING: Analysts at the GSFC Space Weather Lab report elevated levels of energetic electrons around Earth. ("GOES 13 > 0.8 MeV integral electron flux is above 105 pfu." ) This is caused by the high-speed solar stream now blowing around our planet. Spacecraft with orbits passing through or in the vicinity of the Earth's outer radiation belt could be affected by these charged particles.

www.spaceweather.com

I'm not sure if this is serious or not so I posted the warning here to get a little feedback from someone with more knowledge on this subject. It appears some armchair astrophysicists on YouTube say that these electrons aren't coming from the sun cause all the current data says the solar wind stream is normal right now. I don't know.



And then here's more data: NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center

K4 being the lowest right? So what does this all mean to you? What does it mean to the layman?

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Well, I don't think we have anything to worry about here on Earth but as stated in the ex-text spacecraft/astronauts could be effected. If it's really not coming from the sun then where would these electrons be coming from? Hopefully someone with a little more knowledge can explain.

It just caught my attention since I visit the SpaceWeather site often and have never seen this type of warning.

It probably IS coming from the sun... would like some input, though.

Sub atomic particles travel right through your body every day, an electron is a sub atomic particle. Someone is postulating scientific woo.

Look at the person's album, to see what other crazy things he says, and the sources he uses to collect data, and just maybe check on his education. He may just be smart enough to scare people with what most folks aren't educated in to understand. He must have a lot of free time on his hands, (kind of implies he's not employed in the discipline).

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Strangely, I couldn't pick up a decent radio wave all day. I knew something was happening. Technology appears to be slightly affected. The fact that I have been unable to receive decent radio signals since last night is not normal in my city.

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Yeah, my DirecTV wasn't getting certain channels tonight (not sure if it's still acting up) and after 10yrs. of having their service that's only happened a couple times to me. Don't know if it's due to electron interference or not?

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This warning has been in place since the 20th.

www.swpc.noaa.gov...

Click the red asterix in the eletron flux row.

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As per the warning, the elevated electron stream is only an issue for spacecraft travelling through the edges of the Van-Allen radiation belts.

Unless you are in space, or own a communications satellite, nothing to worry about.

Look it up on Wkikpedia

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S&F
This is kind of intersting. I've seen a couple of article around that speak of spacial anomilies in our solar system. I know for a fact that when it comes to knowing about our planet, let alone the univers, we have only scratched the surface. So, really whatever is said about this subject, in my opignion, is totaly speculative. But I did come across a few discoveries and the link below is about one of them. A brown dwarf circled by planets or large satelites on the outskirts of our solar system. This is an awesome dicoverie, and if you never heard of it I sugest you read up on it.

viewzone2.com...

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I wasn't aware that we have spacecraft with orbits that go through the radiation belt. I thought it was extremely dangerous to do so? The warning does mention spacecraft w/ orbits that go through it. Any explanation?

Thanks for the information! I'm learning!

The central sun of the galaxy was suppose to hit us about this time. Would be interesting to know if other planets in the system are getting affected too.

Originally posted by AstroBuzz
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Yeah, my DirecTV wasn't getting certain channels tonight (not sure if it's still acting up) and after 10yrs. of having their service that's only happened a couple times to me. Don't know if it's due to electron interference or not?

between last night and today i have had to reset my wireless router at least 3 times.highly unusual.just started last night.just sayin not doomin,

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wasnt there some guy who is sayin that elinin being a long orbit is getting charged up as it goes thru its long orbit and is going to unload its charge into the sun as it passes frying earth in the process?

I;ll tell ya something is going on out there two nights ago I picked up crystal clear a radio station in calgary canada the only problem is i lived in tecopa calif in the mavaje desert it came in so clear and strong that it overrode the npr radion station I usually listen to and last night the sunset here was the most magnifecent purple I have ever seen so whatup peace

Originally posted by truthzouthere

Originally posted by AstroBuzz
reply to post by Egyptia

 

Yeah, my DirecTV wasn't getting certain channels tonight (not sure if it's still acting up) and after 10yrs. of having their service that's only happened a couple times to me. Don't know if it's due to electron interference or not?

between last night and today i have had to reset my wireless router at least 3 times.highly unusual.just started last night.just sayin not doomin,

Visiting porn sites do that occasionally.

Actually,if you visit this site,you can see how the magnetic field is been hit by
the solar winds and CME'S,but its a simulation.

www2.nict.go.jp...

Btw,it was strong earlier,it has calmed down abit now.

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I haven't heard that. Sounds like it might be related to the "Electric Universe" theory?

I don't see the sun acting any different than it usually does during this phase of it's 11yr. cycle although I do recall earlier this year hearing something about the sun's neutrinos were interacting differently with certain elements and the decay rates of radioactive elements are changing.

Link to Article

Here are my daily links on this I check on everyday:

www.swpc.noaa.gov...

137.229.36.30...

www2.nict.go.jp...

And,yes,HAARP is one of them,because if you compare the other two,you will
see that HAARP is a detector,and not causing all the crap people claim it is!!!!!

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Avoiding the Van-Allen belts is somewhat difficult for satellites, so they are "hardened" (design wise) to minimise the effect of the ionised particle streams that they direct and concentrate.

The processes that divert the particles coming from the Sun, around the Earth, creates areas where the flux of particle flow is far higher than surrounding space.

It is not particularly the ionisation of the particles or their momentum that is a problem. It is largely because a small hole in shielding can produce a plume of ionised particle flow which can apply an unpredictable differential voltage (at a nearly microscopic scale) to sensitive electronics inside the shielding of the satellite.

Similarly, ionising radiation is a problem for biological processes too, but hardly what the warning was likely to be about.

Originally posted by AstroBuzz
reply to post by truthzouthere

 

I haven't heard that. Sounds like it might be related to the "Electric Universe" theory?

I don't see the sun acting any different than it usually does during this phase of it's 11yr. cycle although I do recall earlier this year hearing something about the sun's neutrinos were interacting differently with certain elements and the decay rates of radioactive elements are changing.

Link to Article

edit on 7/23/11 by AstroBuzz because: (no reason given)

Comet CX/2010 Elenin is too small and too far away to have any electrical effect on the Earth.

The problem with the Electric Universe theories is that we have known about and been able to calculate electric charge and fields since Maxwell. Distance plays too great a part in those calculations for it to have any valid effects.

Electromagnetism, like gravity, has an infinite range of action but its strength decays at 1/r^2.

When you calculate the actual charge and then allow for the distances involved you find that there is usually insufficient force to do anything major on a stellar scale.

This is borne out in the real world in large, highly charged and incredibly radiant objects (stars) having very little electrical effect on objects around them.

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Thanks for the response chr0naut.

I found this explanation very informative as well;

"The radiation belts are regions of high-energy particles, mainly protons and electrons, held captive by the magnetic influence of the Earth. They have two main sources. A small but very intense "inner belt" is trapped within 4000 miles or or so of the Earth's surface. It consists mainly a high-energy protons (10-50 MeV) and is a by-product of the cosmic radiation, a thin drizzle of very fast protons and nuclei which apparently fill all our galaxy.

" In addition there exist electrons and protons (and also oxygen particles from the upper atmosphere) given moderate energies (say 1-100 keV; 1 MeV = 1000 keV) by processes inside the domain of the Earth's magnetic field. Some of these electrons produce the polar aurora ("northern lights") when they hit the upper atmosphere, but many get trapped, and among those, protons and positive particles have most of the energy... - David Stern
Ask An Astrophysicist

Satallite Altitude Classifications:

Low Earth orbit (LEO): Geocentric orbits ranging in altitude from 0–1240 miles

Medium Earth orbit (MEO): Geocentric orbits ranging in altitude from 1240 miles to just below geosynchronous orbit at 22240 miles. Also known as an intermediate circular orbit.

High Earth orbit (HEO): Geocentric orbits above the altitude of geosynchronous orbit 22240 miles.

I wonder if the rescent weakening of the Earth's magnetic field (NG Article) would cause the radiation belts to alter their distance from the planet, moving them closer?

Van-Allen Belt image
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