Amendment 2: - Right to Bear Arms DAMN RIGHT! Get over it!

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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by Count Chocula
I read a study once that closely correlated men and their obsession with penis studies being primarily due to subconcious concerns over the size of their penis, and a lack of physical prowess. This would also explain why women like myself are far less likely to log onto message boards and brag about dirty harry type gun fantasies.

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There fixed it for you....


oh you clever little devil you, im still new to this whole surfing the 'net business but i hear it's pretty serious!




posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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TX has that as well.

I sure hope open carry gets passed soon.


 
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Star for you wasco. You jogged my memory of an old friend of mine.

A friend of mine moved to Florida after college. He came by to visit a few years later while I was at work. He says" come here and check this out". I went to the trunk of his car and he pulled out a glock 40 (?..I think, it has been a long time) he said he just bought it. I asked him why he needed it. You know what he told me?

"Everybody else has one in Florida, I need one too". This stuck in my mind ever since..

I sure wish I could own one



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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I want to thank everybody for posting their opinions both pro and con. It is great that we here at ATS can debate for the most part maturely like adults.


I've since the incident sold my hand gun and have stuck to rifles which I own two.
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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so what is not accurate about that?

the state made the law and define what constitutes to be a "Commision of a crime"

there is a thread on here about a florida father who pulled out a gun and fired it because his daughter was being beaten by her bf.

the father never aimed at the bf but did fire it and now he is spendign 20 years in prison.

didnt see the state protecting his daughter from being the victim of a commission of that crime.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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all varies from state to state and whatnot in some states if they approach your car you can shoot them (castle doctrine) others like ca if you shoot them well u might not be charged but its a coin flip depending on circumstances

as to storage i think there is federal child safety laws that govern the storage of firearms and ammo in residences that children reside in or have access too although magazine and type restrictions are more conman i believe

as to the killing part i think that's almost universal in terms of you have to fear for your life or the life of others but i may be wrong on that



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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I recently received this e-mail from my brother and I think it applies to this thread so here it is. I don't know who wrote it but I do like what it says.


"The world's largest army... America's hunters! I had never thought about this....

A logger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .

Allow me to restate that number..

Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.

More men under arms than in Iran ... More than in France and Germany combined.

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan 'so 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. (4 states = 2.3 million hunters)

The point?

America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.

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That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.


Food for thought when next we consider gun control.


Here's a Motto to live by:
Diapers and Polititians should be changed often, both for the same reason."



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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Times that by 50 states giver or take and you have a formidable guerilla force and that doesn't include all the gun hobbyist who like to play with all sorts of black rifles and military weapons etc...



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by p00hbear
As a Brit member I'm intregued by the whole US gun bearing issue, I don't know anyone who own's a gun and my guess is that 99% of brits don't want to own firearms.

The questions i would like answered are:

When is it legal to fire a weapon with intent to kill?

Can you fire at someone for illegally entering a property?

Is there any control over the storage of guns and ammo?

p00hbear



Summary of some basic rules...


Q: When is it legal to fire a weapon with intent to kill?
A: When you decide to shoot (the situation meets the criteria for use of deadly force) you always shoot with intent to kill, and keep shooting until they are dead. Shooting to hurt usually gets you in jail when the assailant makes up some crazy story like 'I was drunk and thought I was entering my home" which seems to win every time for the bad guys. We have burglars stealing to get money to get more of the illegal drug PCP which gives them super-strength and it takes a lot of shooting to make them stop.

You need to learn the criteria for a legal shoot in advance, train for it, and think through the various scenarios that could happen. Since most shooting take place within 6 ft, you cannot delay your thinking process when deciding when and if to pull the trigger.


Q:Can you fire at someone for illegally entering a property?
A: It varies in the USA, mainly by state, sometimes by city.

Let's redefine your word property first: a person entering into somebody's residence (home) is different than someone entering onto real estate property (onto your ranch, driveway, front lawn) other than inside a residence.

Generally,
Any unlawful entry, violent entry or stealthy entry into your residence, the law presumes that you are acting legally and justified in using deadly force and deadly force means you can use a gun. It's that simple.
If you are inside your home you should not shoot anybody outside (don't shoot through the door) since they are not directly confronting you but if once they enter, you shoot them and make sure you kill them.

Once you suspect a break-in, go to a defensive position within your home (at the head of the stairs to yoru bedrooms-protect your family and call the Police. Do not go on a search and destroy mission or you might get killed. Let them mess up the other part of the home or steal, it's not worth your life. Do not shoot them in the back on the way out. It could simply be you daughter's boyfriend sneaking into the home or your daughter sneaking out (very common).

If you confront someone outside, that is where most people get into scenario trouble. If you have knowledge that they committed a Felonious assault, (just saw them kill someone), then you may opt to shoot, or try and hold them but again stay back and keep yourself safe. Keep you instincts on high alert when is tough locations/conditions.

In Texas, you can shoot for almost any criminal reason (somebody broke into you neighbors house and you confronted them outside and shot them), this is okay but generally not in any other state.


Q: Is there any control over the storage of guns and ammo?
A: In California, guns need to be locked up in a case approved by the CA Dept of Justice.
Generally Ammo to be kept separately from the gun, okay for the ammo to be loaded into the magazine but the magazine not in the gun. Transport guns unloaded in locked cases in the trunk meeting most states criteria. Many states have Concealed Carry Weapon laws that allows citizens carry concealed loaded handguns with training and permission.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 09:45 PM
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Yeah, we have the right to bear arms, and people have the right to voice their opinion against that right. You're forgetting why the first amendment is the first amendment. Luckily, very few people actually are against the right to bear arms. No politicians are going to take away that right, unless martial law is declared. The only legislation that's been passed has been to limit the sale of firearms to felons, every other piece of legislation has been expanding gun owners rights.
I'm sorry but conservatives are being very, very paranoid in this matter. Prime example: Fox News literally said that democrats are trying to take away your guns so they can install socialism. Please recognize this as propaganda, and not the truth. It is not true. Ok, there may be a small group of democrats that wants that, but they are not even the majority of democrats.

This issue isn't a real issue at all. It's just an issue created to further divide the party's bases.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by zookey

So why don't you use your rights to fix the government?

Just askin because every day on this forum I hear Americans huff puff hot air and smoke blowing declaring their rights, but I have yet to see them exercised.

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honestly we've still got too much to loose. a bad day at work is still better than a gooday in federal pound me in the rear prison.It just hasn't gotten personal enough yet.
Clair wolf ( liberty author)is quoted:" We're at that awkward stage where it's too late to work within the system but too early to shoot the bastards."


I've no answers: I don't want to be in charge; just left alone...
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Regardless of how you feel politically, you have to fully understand why there is such a strong support for owning firearms. I pay my taxes and bills, work my 6-5, served my country, and follow the laws that the gov't has put into place for me. HOWEVER, just because I'm a responsible citizen doesn't mean a couple of gang bangers, drug addicts, or low lifes will let me and my family be. Police often arrive too late, and I know many people feel the way I do in that I hate depending on someone else to swoop in and save the day. It isn't practical thinking.

To think that banning firearms would reduce the amount of crime would be narrow minded and nonsensical! This would only lead to a rise in crime and more injuries/deaths due to the inability to protect yourself. The constitution states that I have the right to bear arms, therefore I will. We reserve that right to not only protect ourselves, but also our home-front.

If it came down to a stranger saving your life because they were carrying, you'd probably have a change of heart. And as for those of you saying that the second amendment is an old law past its prime just remember that history does repeat itself, which is probably why they made it an amendment in the first place.


Semper Fi!



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
I was actually wondering which American would be the first to start a bravado, d*ck waing contest about the god damned 2nd amendment. AS a hundred families are still grieving about their bullet riddled children, I KNEW someone on here would start a thread like this.....

I'm very surprised at you Slayer.

Tsk.

-- Yes I understand you saved yourself from a nutter, a robber - I think that's cool, but the point is.... Do we NEED to be reminded over and over and over again that you guys have the right to bear arms?

You guys are obsessed... Anyway, I don't wish to offend people. But this is a very sensitive time for people...
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It is obviously necessary to keep the heat on, because gun control and anti-2nd amendment politicians are constantly trying to restrict them.. Even right now this minute some legislator is probably working on something to take away gun rights..

They are using the United Nations to try to do it.. (Obama, Hillary, Bill Clinton, etc..)
Obama and executive order to curb gun ownership and use...
Even the NRA is covertly accepting some politicians gun control work lately; This has been exposed a bit, but not in MSM..

There really is a war happening right now over freedoms everywhere.. Expands well beyond gun issues.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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This is how it always starts off. Some crazy person goes on a shooting spree everyone wants gun control to prevent it. Eventually it will happen little by little and thats what they want they don't feel safe doing what they want to do to us until we have no means of defending ourselves. They want complete control over everyone of your daily moves. Look at the seatbelt law come on I have to wear my seatbelt or pay you $50 just because you say its unsafe if I don't wear it. Why isn't that our decision to choose if we put it on or not. TPTB have gone crazy with power they want to make you do exactly what they want and shooting sprees either by them or some random person is what they love to see so they can get one step closer to taking our guns.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by zookey

So why don't you use your rights to fix the government?

Just askin because every day on this forum I hear Americans huff puff hot air and smoke blowing declaring their rights, but I have yet to see them exercised.

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I exercise my second amendment right damn near on a daily basis. I don't blow hot air about the rights granted by our constitution. What I do blow hot air about is some gun grabbing groups that want to infringe upon that right. I do play a small part in the role of keeping the 2nd amendment alive, by making people that are ignorant to gun laws a little more friendly with them, and by bringing new shooters into the sport of shooting.


@ Some other posters in this thread: The Norway situation is a sad tragedy, but all it would have taken is just one citizen exercising their right to bear arms, and maybe there would be a lot less deaths at the hand of an obviously mentally defective individual.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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America is a unique country. For a very long time most of it was a lawless no-man's land. If you come across the wrong person out in the territories, you could be killed without anyone blinking an eye. Guns became ubiquitous to protect one's self and property.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Its sad but i'm sure someday we will no longer have guns. Then we'll resort to slingshots.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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We already have open carry in Ohio, and you can carry in your car too, unholstered and loaded. You should see the local cops faces when i walk around town with my .44 on my hip! It's precious!



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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I'll endorse gun prohibition as soon as someone can prove to me drug prohibition works


So how come everyone is not crying for reinstatement of alcohol prohibition every time some drunk driver kills an innocent family?

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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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i agree with you about the seatbelt issue however if people got in an terrible accident and did not die, and could have been saved if they were wearing a seatbelt. i am sure they will start suing anyone that was there.





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