Christian fundamentalists & Right-Wing Muslim opposition... EPIC FAIL.

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There is a lot of Christian hatred on this forum, you must have missed it, not a day goes by that I don't read hate towards Christians in one form or another.

People need to check their-selves and their religion, I don't see a thing wrong with constructive criticism, I was once a devout Christian never hated a soul, was always taught tolerance and to love one another, but I still examined my faith and now I am alternative in my beliefs,

I would hope that I would not cast the first stone.

reply to post by The Revenant

Finally, your poisonous diatribes have claimed their first modern massacre. Blood has been spilt in the name of your sickening religious disease, and your odious political idiocy.

You are telling people to stop the hatred yet your OP is nothing but hate speech.

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You know what, I sat back and read through the threads on the shooter, and some of the first finger point was pointed at Mossad, CIA and NWO, USA, oh and Murdock

Originally posted by The Revenant
My words are lost here on ATS, as fundies and right-wing nutters are a proliferating scourge...

Flame away. I don't care.

The Revenant.

No Christian would slaughter kids. Sorry bro...the murderer isn't Christian.

No "Right Wing" people use guns to slaughter kids. America is armed to the teeth to defend itself.

Maybe if Europe wasn't a Socialist Pansy State....there would have been someone with a gun to stop that murderer.


You go get a rifle and try shooting up kids at a school in Los Angeles. They'll pull out their own guns and put a bullet in your head. We ain't a pansy Socialist State.

Socialism always ends with kids getting gunned down. Every time in history.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by The Revenant

 

Unfortunately it seems that people, even here on ATS are dissapointed that he wasn't muslim.

I'm not disappointed......crazy people come in all shapes, colors and sizes!!

Well, am sure SOMEONE somewhere was disappointed that this guy didn't meet their expectations of a terrorists profile. Because well, they think out of their fear that profiling a terrorist will help in recognizing him/her and thereby not feel so vulnerable.

But people terrorize each other EVERYDAY. Husbands do it to their wives, ex-wives do it to their once husbands, mothers do it to their kids etc.

Some of it is with bombs, others with words. Which is more dangerous is debatable.

But there's one thing for sure, no human is the same, and no human bombs for the same reasons. In his twisted little mind, this guy was doing the 'right thing'. In the twisted minds of George W Bush and his daddy, they were doing the right thing by taking out Saddam and throwing his country into turmoil.

Same #, different people.

Originally posted by The Revenant
Here on ATS every day we see hate speech against Muslims, non-theists, lefties and liberals, from Christian fundamentalists and their right-wing extremist friends. Finally, your poisonous diatribes have claimed their first modern massacre. Blood has been spilt in the name of your sickening religious disease, and your odious political idiocy.

...first modern massacre?... your concept of modern must be very short...

...the list of countries who have suffered due to predominately white/christian governments who perpetuate the industry of global domination via violence is a very long one (almost every country on the planet) even if you just include the last 50 years...

...among the countries assaulted, the predominate religion does not matter to those who control the assaulters - as is evidenced by the attacks on central and south american countries...

...are christian fundamentalists and right-winger extremists (oxymoronic terms) really at fault for promoting the intolerance that is being blamed for the massacre in norway?..

...i find that they are (more often than not) very unpleasant people - but - collectively, they are just symptoms of a plague thats been going on for eons, as are their islamic counterparts... modern zionists are also obviously infected...

Originally posted by The Revenant
I hope you're all ashamed of yourselves.

...if they are, would that really make anything better?... i dont think so...

...a few might reconsider their behavior - but - most will either not comprehend what you're saying or will deny that their religion has anything to do with it by using tiresome excuses (ie: "he wasnt really a christian - no real christian would do that")...

...regardless of which religion is being a global pain in the ass at the time, most religious fundamentalists are incapable of perceiving that their ways are anti-human because they are either psychopaths (genetic causation) or sociopaths (environmental causation) or both...

...its a crazy world - literally...



...one more thing, then i'll go away... last night, before any arrests were made, i posted that the norway deal was reminescent of okc (government building, dead kids, blaming muslims) and that i believe okc was "just a test" for 09.11.01...

...wasnt long after that we found out that a white christian racist lone gunman with advanced military skills had been arrested for the atrocities... i wasnt surprised... its okc all over again, right down to the bottom line - which is - those who control norway's government did this and, whether everyone falls for the facade or not, something worse is coming...

...and "this" isnt just about the norway atrocity looking too much like the okc atrocity... our collective history is repeating all over again, again...

I do not think the OP is mere hate speech, not is it directed against honest Christians. It is a political statement, and I essentially agree with it. It is directed against fundamentalists and Western right-wing extremists.

Of course, a true Christian following the teachings of Christ would never kill anyone in cold blood. (If I understand some of the essence of JEsus's sayings, a true Christian would rather die than intentionally harm or kill another human being.)

Yet fundamentalist brainwashing certainly contributed to the neoconservative wars of GWB, while the fundamentalists and the right-wing extremists of Israel are not your usual liberal, tolerant Jews either (who, for example, have worked a lot for civil rights in the USA, run humanitarian agencies and have drawn such conclusions from the Holocaust that it is generally wrong to persecute minorities and people of different faiths).

Now it is not secret that these three extremist types of Western people are allied. All three are strongly Theocratic, nationalistic, and totally intolerant of peoples and faiths of different types - they only tolerate each other basically.

Also, the way I also see it, this unholy alliance is the main source of the hysterical anti-Muslim propaganda and discrimination now flooding the West. One result is that within the worlds of Islam, more people are radicalized and turn towards their own brand of an extremist, terrorist, Theocratic philosophy (which I am sure no one on ATS would condone).

I do not see Western Theocratic extremism in any more favourable light than Muslim extremism - only, these people have far more power, money and influence.

Freemasons are a complex question much debated up and down here - and before I believe that this guy was one, I would like to see more proof than simply dressing up in "regalia." If all I do is I don a turban and pose on Facebook with a copy of the Q'uran, does that make me a Muslim?

I guess some are expecting the Christians to sanction a new crusade to bring Muslims to Jesus one way or the other. It will be interesting to see which side can return to the previous centuries the fastest. The Jihadist want a 1st century caliphate and I’m sure the Christians can return to the 11th, 12th or 13th century. Brave warriors for God riding out to share Christianity with the pagans, heretics and Muslims freeing their souls from their earthbound forms.

Originally posted by Pervius

Originally posted by The Revenant
My words are lost here on ATS, as fundies and right-wing nutters are a proliferating scourge...

Flame away. I don't care.

The Revenant.

No Christian would slaughter kids. Sorry bro...the murderer isn't Christian.

No "Right Wing" people use guns to slaughter kids. America is armed to the teeth to defend itself.

Maybe if Europe wasn't a Socialist Pansy State....there would have been someone with a gun to stop that murderer.


You go get a rifle and try shooting up kids at a school in Los Angeles. They'll pull out their own guns and put a bullet in your head. We ain't a pansy Socialist State.

Socialism always ends with kids getting gunned down. Every time in history.

I donno, man...American kids seem to have a pretty good handle on shooting each other. And I'd suggest that it is pretty easy to call Europeans 'Pansies' from the safety of your keyboard.

What you are missing is that this kind of event is not too terribly unusual in America, but is virtually unheard of in Europe. Maybe you ought to figure out why...it certainly isn't because they are what you call 'pansies'.

Originally posted by The Revenant
Here on ATS every day we see hate speech against Muslims, non-theists, lefties and liberals, from Christian fundamentalists and their right-wing extremist friends. Finally, your poisonous diatribes have claimed their first modern massacre. Blood has been spilt in the name of your sickening religious disease, and your odious political idiocy.

I hope you're all ashamed of yourselves. How can you can believe in the things you do, when you can now see for yourself what your beliefs cause? The slaughter of innocent young people, in a country so openly devoted to peace and democracy... your beliefs have poisoned the mind of a dangerous man, and helped him target people whom you consider 'the enemy'. YOU, the Christians and right-wing nutters, are to blame for sending this man down his murderous route.

The Revenant.

edit on 7/23/2011 by Mirthful Me because: Title modified to conform to ATS Terms & Conditions.

I see, so if we disagree with "lefties, liberals, and non-theist" we are performing HATE speech and because of that I am directly responsible for some foreign nut job killing a bunch of people half a world away? Yeah, I guess the Baptist people here in America brainwashed this guy and told him he had to go murder a bunch of people because they disagreed with him right?

[SNIP] the only people responsible for this tragedy are the people who perpetrated and promote that type of violence. The guy is a neo-nazi.

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You should be ashamed of yourself for this post, but somebody who can make a statement like yours obviously does not feel shame: you have no conscience.

People do and say evil things for money and other gains, but what's your excuse?

25+ stars and a few flags on a forum?

to add insult to the injury, the tragedy that has happened to Norway

How many innocent people?

How many innocent children were Murdered and injured, so that you could make a mockery of the this tragedy?

[SNIP]

ATTENTION!

The name-calling in this thread will cease.

I understand the OP is somewhat inflammatory, but rebuttal with insults is no rebuttal. Keep it civil or this thread will be closed.

TheRedneck
ATS Forum Moderator

Originally posted by Pervius

Originally posted by The Revenant
My words are lost here on ATS, as fundies and right-wing nutters are a proliferating scourge...

Flame away. I don't care.

The Revenant.

No Christian would slaughter kids. Sorry bro...the murderer isn't Christian.

No "Right Wing" people use guns to slaughter kids. America is armed to the teeth to defend itself.

Maybe if Europe wasn't a Socialist Pansy State....there would have been someone with a gun to stop that murderer.


You go get a rifle and try shooting up kids at a school in Los Angeles. They'll pull out their own guns and put a bullet in your head. We ain't a pansy Socialist State.

Socialism always ends with kids getting gunned down. Every time in history.

You may want to study your bible again. The old testament has no problem with killing kids.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by BrianC
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Oh of course, no one wants a race war and I believe things have been getting better for Muslim's every day following 9/11. At first there was hate and intolerance but most of those people have moved away from that hatred after the emotions regressed.

I completely disagree that this was caused because of being boxed into a stereotype or group. America has a lot of pull in other countries and therefore people take out there rage on America and Americans. This attack in Norway could very well have been orchestrated by the U.S. but not because of the U.S.

I wouldn't worry about anti-muslim thoughts on ATS, we have a few bad apples but most people here know 9/11 was an inside job

I disagree that things have been getting better, because I live it, and watch it get worse. ON 9/11 I had a few neighbors come to my door to let me and my family know that they didn't blame us, and they weren't gonna box us with the bad bunch, bla bla bla. It's been getting harder, and harder especially since mid 2006 or so..

As for anti muslim thought on ATS, again, I deal with it a lot more than you. I get the U2U's that you don't..

I wouldn't expect too much positive response from people here. There's a lot of anger here against religion. Apparently all bad thing's come from religion. We need to be more like Stalin, you get away with more if you're atheist

Looking over this thread, it becomes apparant that the perception of bigotry (i.e., anti-Muslim, anti-Christian, Anti-athiest, etc...) is sharper for "your group" than it is for the others. Muslims see more anti-Muslim bias on ATS than non-Muslims see. Christians perceive more anti-Christian sentiment than non-Christians, etc.

I just ask everyone to keep this psychological tendency (which seems to be universally human) in mind. The brave among you can even try use this knowledge to attempt to "compensate" for this tendency by modulating your senses of persecution to achieve a more balanced, broader outlook.

reply to post by The Revenant
I hate war and I hate terrorism even more regardless of who the criminal is. Bashing one’s politics or religion just perpetuates the hate you say that you are so against. Maybe it would help calm you down to learn a little bit more about yourself.

Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD has a book that might help you with your journey. It’s called The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.

Originally posted by 14theroad
Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD has a book that might help you with your journey. It’s called The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.

Do I detect a touch of bias there? Conservatives think differently...here's a quick news bite and I'm sure you can research it further should you wish...

Compared with staunch liberals, people with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful after factoring out the effects of gender, age, income and education, all of which can affect political attitudes.

Kevin B. Smith, a professor of political science at the University of Nebraska and a study author, said conservatives were more vigilant about environmental threats and speculated that this innate tendency led them to support policies that protect the social order.

Fowler said the study added to the growing research suggesting that over millions of years, humans have developed two cognitive styles — conservative and liberal. Cautious conservatives prevented societies from taking undue risks, while more flexible liberals fostered cooperation.

"For the species to survive, you need both," he said. www.denverpost.com...

Of course it's contentious...I would suggest that Conservatives tend to disagree...but I would also suggest that the last line of the quote be given a lot of consideration.

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Your post is really just...not right. Your anger is misplaced, the entire occurrence is based off pretenses that speak nothing of Christianity as a whole. My parents are Christian, and you know how they feel about it? Outraged, saddened, just like any other peaceful people would be, regardless of religion or ethnicity. Real Christians in no way associate the committed atrocity with their doctrine. The murderer is psychotic, point blank period. And there will be plenty more demented individuals like him to murder/terrorize regardless of whether or not Christianity exist. The fact that you've waited for this moment to go on a rant against Christianity or religion as a whole is way to obvious...

As for comparing this to Muslim bashers, I agree that there are some who do go too far and judge the entirety of a culture with extreme prejudice. I've personally done some Islam bashing, but I'm in no way a "phobe" of anyone who follows said belief. I think anyone should be able to believe in whatever they like, so long as it doesn't negatively affect the lives of others. However, Islam is without a doubt, the most violent, oppressive of modern religions. For every one of these terrible acts committed by a "Christian", there are countless committed by Muslims. And that's not including the effect of sharia law, misogyny, honor killings/beatings, promoting of violence against "infidels", teaching children at a young age to hate Jews, child marriages, etc. Yes I realize that Christianity is not untarnished, and was cause for many deaths in the past; but recently it's took a turn into being one of the more peaceful religions that minds its own business. Islam on the other hand is about as oppressive as it gets, and in many areas individuals, especially females, are subjugated to the Islam law. If they choose make decisions for themselves in opposition, beatings, exile, and death are all possible outcomes.

Do I think that religion is the cause for much pain and devastation? Sure, as history has shown it's been the excuse for many disgusting inhuman acts. But you can't take this isolated example of a psycho that claims to be "Christian" as reason to outlaw a personal belief that many hold closely, in a peaceful law-abiding manner, and have nothing to do with the pure act of hate done by Anders.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If it had been a Muslim, no doubt we would have had countless threads blaming all Muslims for terrorism. But as it was a Right wing Christian fundamentalist, it must have been some MK ULTRA mind control operation.

I like that.

I think it's just a crazy guy. We always act like sheeps and link terrorists with religion. The guy happens to be Christian fundamentalist, but he could be from any other religion. Religious doctrines get all twisted in the mind of a nut. Remember the fat blind guy in Japan?