Ron Paul to Congress: If Debt Is the Problem, Why Do You Want More of It?

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posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
WHy is he asking Congress these questions when he loves to spend the money himself? Ron Paul seems to love debt.

150 million dollars for the state of Texas in EARMARKS he requested for fiscal year 2011.
Hypocrite


You are trolling with your own untruthful, misleading thread!!!!

pretty pathetic.
edit on 22-7-2011 by robyn because: spelling




posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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I love Ron Paul but i doubt his intellectual speeches will have any affect on the majority of congress because the majority of them are bought out by big companies.





so what companies own obama ?



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by krossfyter




I love Ron Paul but i doubt his intellectual speeches will have any affect on the majority of congress because the majority of them are bought out by big companies.





so what companies own obama ?


to start with..
Wall Streeters ...... www.moneynews.com...



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:45 PM
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thnx!



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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Sometimes I think USA have become so institutionalized that people can’t imagine life without the huge federal government involved in all aspects of our lives. With freedom comes responsibility, which many Americans fear.


It is a tad bit more complicated than that.

In 1900 before the Federal Reserve, farmers made up 38% of labor force and Americans had a sense of community, a sense of identity and functioned as a support group instead of the US government.

In the 1930 Farmers made up 38% of labor force and by 1950 Farmers still made up 12.2% of labor force. By 1990 farmers were down to 2.6% of labor force.


So why were the Federal Reserve bankers so intent on destroying America's independent farmers?


Why should anyone care about family farms? Lenin, founder of the Russian revolution said it best.

The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership." V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian revolution

Do not forget the banking cartel Bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution Despite the misconceptions that the International Bankers are "Capitalists" they are actually intertwined with The Fabian Socialists, the Round Table, and the Rhodes Scholars

If you read Secrets of the Federal Reserve and the London Connection by Eustace Mullins. and then read History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job you can see that farmers were specifically targeted with the aim of breaking the backbone of this country.


...This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations. CED has influenced US domestic policies in much the same way that the CFR has influenced the nation's foreign policies....

In a number of reports written over a few decades, CED recommended that farming "resources" -- that is, farmers -- be reduced. In its 1945 report "Agriculture in an Expanding Economy," CED complained that "the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the "farm problem'" and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs...

...To solve that problem, CED offers a program with three main prongs....

The human cost of CED's plans were exacting and enormous.

CED's plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities.
The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers' lives ended in suicide....


And this from Secrets of the Federal Reserve:

....One of the main lies about the Federal Reserve Act when it was being ballyhooed in 1913 was its promise to take care of the farmer.....

...The main job of the Federal Reserve System was to break these small country banks and get back the money which had been paid out to the farmers during the war, in effect, ruin them, and this it proceeded to do....

First of all, a Federal Farm Loan Board was set up which encouraged the farmers to invest their accrued money in land on long term loans, which the farmers were eager to do. Then inflation was allowed to take its course in this country and in Europe in 1919 and 1920. The purpose of the inflation in Europe was to cancel out a large portion of the war debts owed by the Allies to the American people, and its purpose in this country was to draw in the excess moneys which had been distributed to the working people in the form of higher wages and bonuses for production. As prices went higher and higher, the money which the workers had accumulated became worth less and less, inflicting upon them an unfair drain, while the propertied classes were enriched by the inflation because of the enormous increase in the value of land and manufactured goods. The workers were thus effectively impoverished, but the farmers, who were as a class more thrifty, and who were more self-sufficient, had to be handled more harshly.... www.apfn.org...


So the loss of identity, the loss of community and resulting reliance on the Federal government was not through the will of the American people but was a carefully conducted long term plan by the Banking Cartel and their operating arm the CED.




posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by krossfyter




I love Ron Paul but i doubt his intellectual speeches will have any affect on the majority of congress because the majority of them are bought out by big companies.





so what companies own obama ?


Here's a great list... www.opensecrets.org...



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by robyn

Originally posted by David9176
WHy is he asking Congress these questions when he loves to spend the money himself? Ron Paul seems to love debt.

150 million dollars for the state of Texas in EARMARKS he requested for fiscal year 2011.
Hypocrite


You are trolling with your own untruthful, misleading thread!!!!

pretty pathetic.
edit on 22-7-2011 by robyn because: spelling


David Was Mr. Ron Paul, he put Ron Paul on center stage here...



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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I was a state coordinator for the campaign in Idaho and we began in 2007. Our primary is the last week of may also and he still came here and spoke, we got the highest percentage of votes for Ron Paul of any state at just under 23%. He suspended his campaign in June because the Primaries were over and started the campaign for liberty. They were real worried he might continue to run.

His campaign did more to wake people up in the last few years then the previous 25 years of us patriots trying to sound the alarm. This time around he is well known and maybe since he won't run again, if he doesn't get the republican nomination maybe he will go independent or 3rd party to the bitter end... We'll see. The big two have made it extremely difficult to get on the ballot if you are not one of them.

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posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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so what companies own obama ?


And to top it off, General Electric CEO Jeffery Immelt was tapped to lead a newly created Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.


...Immelt, who will now have the president’s ear in an advisory role, has consistently supported the same failed trade policies that have cost America millions of jobs. As the leader of one of the world’s largest companies, he has been at the forefront of the outsourcing movement.

“You would have difficulty finding a company that has outsourced more jobs and closed more American factories than GE,” Scott Paul, Executive Director of the Alliance for American Manufacturing writes. “While they have slashed their American workforce to fewer than 150,000, GE has dramatically expanded its global presence, now employing over 300,000 workers worldwide.”

In the past, Immelt was a vocal supporter for China’s entry into the World Trade Organization. He also spoke out against the proposed “buy American” provision.

Immelt, Daley and Sperling certainly do not represent the “change” the president was fond of referring to in 2008. In fact, all three represent more of the same - failed trade policies that result in the loss of millions of jobs.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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does ron paul have ayn randian views


whats his views on healthcare?
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by krossfyter
does ron paul have ayn randian views


whats his views on healthcare?
edit on 23-7-2011 by krossfyter because: (no reason given)


Define Ayn Randian views?

As a medical doctor he knows health care better then most. His views are get government out of it and prices will come down so it is affordable for all. He was part of a group of doctors who did just that quit taking insurance and having to pay a staff to deal with HMO's etc and they were able to lower thier costs and not be dictated to by the HMO's and give people the care they really needed and people could afford a visit etc. Those that could not afford it they offered them Short payments plans or free care on a case by case basis no government coercion needed.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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Well, mr. Paul, the reason is simple. Spending's not going to halt. Short of a total government shutdown at all levels of operation, money will always be leaving the treasury. Another word for "shutdown" in this case is "collapse." No members of congress. No judges. No federal law enforcement, no department of transportation, no military, nothing. Raising the ceiling allows stretch room for this plain and simple fact of life - the government isn't going to shut down, therefore spending will not stop.

The next part of the problem is simple. Well, it's simple for those of us who balance our own checkbooks, I'm not sure how simple it is for members of Congress. See, halting your spending doesn't actually solve debt. You can slow or even halt the growth of debt. But even if you completely stop that growth, the debt remains. You still owe someone X amount of money, and that will need to be addressed.

Which brings us to Mr. Paul's third problem in this. The only way to close the debt is to put money into it. In the case of a debt accrued by government, that means taxes or, if they're feeling especially old-fashioned in Washington, Treasury bonds. Mr. Paul, of course, loathes all taxation in any form (presumably he'd be happy to work for free?) he opposes every measure that would result in an increase of taxes - even though doing so is the obvious way of closing the debt. And of course, Mr. Paul is probably a pretty capable investor - he's not going tp spend any of his considerable wealth on 20-year bonds from a nation whose economy is going belly-up. Hell, he's probably doing like many others in Washington, and actively betting against the US dollar in the global market.

So basically mr. Paul is shouting at clouds here. Raising the debt ceiling is necessary due to the facts of reality which he seems to have missed in his fundamentalist ideological ranting. Cutting spending alone isn't even going to come close to fixing the problem; and so long as mr. Paul continues to refuse to consider any method that would actually solve the problem, then he is an active participant in making that problem worse.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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does ron paul have ayn randian views


whats his views on healthcare?


Ron Paul's view is that the USA should follow the Constitution. That means that NOTHING that is not specifically designated as the duties of the Federal Government should be under taken by the Federal government.

Everything else should be under the control of the state or local government. A good example of WHY this is a good idea is the FEMA fiasco in New Orleans. Bureaucrats are myopic. They are interested in protecting themselves and their turf. The bigger the government the worse the CYA mentality becomes and the more incompetent cyphers you have.

At least at the state and local level you have a chance of cleaning house.

THE US GOVERNMENT DID NOT FAIL ITS MISSION IN THE WAKE OF HURRICANE KATRINA


...The only legitimate function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens. In New Orleans, however, it was clear that the primary job of the military, FEMA, and Homeland Security was, not to protect citizens, but to protect the government...

These reports make it clear that the government did not fail to respond in a timely fashion. The problem was that it did respond - but in such a way as to actually hinder rescue operations. There were too many instances for this to be merely a mistake or a bureaucratic snafu. There is a clear pattern here that cannot be denied....



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by krossfyter
does ron paul have ayn randian views


whats his views on healthcare?
edit on 23-7-2011 by krossfyter because: (no reason given)


Define Ayn Randian views?

As a medical doctor he knows health care better then most. His views are get government out of it and prices will come down so it is affordable for all. He was part of a group of doctors who did just that quit taking insurance and having to pay a staff to deal with HMO's etc and they were able to lower thier costs and not be dictated to by the HMO's and give people the care they really needed and people could afford a visit etc. Those that could not afford it they offered them Short payments plans or free care on a case by case basis no government coercion needed.



someone sent me this... thehill.com...



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Well, mr. Paul, the reason is simple. Spending's not going to halt. Short of a total government shutdown at all levels of operation, money will always be leaving the treasury. Another word for "shutdown" in this case is "collapse." No members of congress. No judges. No federal law enforcement, no department of transportation, no military, nothing. Raising the ceiling allows stretch room for this plain and simple fact of life - the government isn't going to shut down, therefore spending will not stop.


You are so clueless it is sad. Let me ask you a question and lets see if you have any clue at all. If government will shut down if they do not raise the debt ceiling then where are they getting the money to pay everyone right now?



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by krossfyter

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by krossfyter
does ron paul have ayn randian views


whats his views on healthcare?
edit on 23-7-2011 by krossfyter because: (no reason given)


Define Ayn Randian views?

As a medical doctor he knows health care better then most. His views are get government out of it and prices will come down so it is affordable for all. He was part of a group of doctors who did just that quit taking insurance and having to pay a staff to deal with HMO's etc and they were able to lower thier costs and not be dictated to by the HMO's and give people the care they really needed and people could afford a visit etc. Those that could not afford it they offered them Short payments plans or free care on a case by case basis no government coercion needed.



detractors of ron pauls healthcare say they cant agree with free market healthcare because look at how our free market businesses are.... no regulation is a disaster.... so they say.

in regards to ayn rand...
someone sent me this... thehill.com...
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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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Remember this. The Banking Cartel HATE both Ron Paul and Any Rand because they expose them as the Corporatists (Fascists) they are.

The bankers CONTROL the media, foundations, think-tanks, NGOs.....
(the takeover of the media)
U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917: J.P. Morgan interests bought 25 of America's leading newspapers, and inserted their own editors, in order to control the media. www.mindfully.org...

JP Morgan: Our next big media player? (April 13, 2010) JP Morgan controls 54 U.S. daily newspapers,and owns 31 television stations. www.newsandtech.com...

Media Conglomerates, Mergers, Concentration of Ownership: www.globalissues.org...


Who controls the media www.nowfoundation.org...

Interlocking Directorates
Media corporations share members of the board of directors with a variety of other large corporations, including banks, investment companies, oil companies, health care and pharmaceutical companies and technology companies. This list shows board interlocks for the following major media interests:
www.fair.org...


I therefore suggest you read Ron Paul's own words and ignore what the Banker mouth pieces say about him.

As for Ayn Rand - did you see her movie???

I am not a fan but I got hauled off to see it by a friend.

if you have read anything I have written I have obviously become very aware of the corporate/political game playing going on to get nasty bills passed.

Ayn Rand's movie from something she wrote in the fifties(??) sounded EXACTLY like the crap I saw happening in the last couple of years. Sleazy K street lobbyists and political pay-offs and backstabbing and bald face lying to the public.

Is it any wonder the Banker/Corporate cartels HATE HER GUTS????



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:36 AM
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hi crimvelvet... what post was this in response to?



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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heard he wants to do away with the dept. of ed and leave it to the state level. is this a good idea? why?

they say.... lower income cities and towns would not be able to afford to educate people on the same level.

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posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by krossfyter
does ron paul have ayn randian views
whats his views on healthcare?
edit on 23-7-2011 by krossfyter because: (no reason given)



As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.


For a very good overview visit ...

www.ronpaul.com...





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