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reply posted on 13-12-2011 @ 05:35 PM by Hanslune

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Hanslune

Hey mate, yeh I'm going to purchase a copy. Seems the only way to get my hands on one.

Unless someone on ATS has access to a Uni library that has a religion department - buying it might be the only other avenue.

reply posted on 13-12-2011 @ 05:42 PM by AussieAmandaC

Fantastic volume of information Op well done,
some great reading in this thread.
s & f

reply posted on 14-12-2011 @ 08:24 AM by Harte

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Harte

You said:

Originally posted by Harte
I seem to recall sometime in the past discovering that "Battlefield Commander" is not how that title translates. IIRC, "Samarangana Sutradhara" actually translates as "An Architect of Human Dwellings."

This leads me to discount anything your link may say about it.

Provide me a link of your translation of the words 'Samarangana Sutradhara', please, so your comments can hold more weight otherwise it is your word against the word of an author, who to believe?

Samarangana-Sutradhara is a work on architecture. It means literally, an architect of human dwelling and deals with, the planning of towns and villages, building of houses, halls and palaces as well as machines of various kinds.

Source

This is the literal translation I found. You could probably find it elsewhere as well.

Note the following:

Samarangana Sutradhara of Bhojadeva : An Ancient Treatise on Architecture 2 Vols. (With An Introduction, Sanskrit Text, Verse by Verse English Translation and Notes)

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Of the various works ascribed to him, Samarangana Sutradhara is a voluminous treatise, an architectural masterpiece, dealing with technical subjects such as town planning, house architecture, temple architecture and sculptural subjects like Pratima Laksana, Iconography, Iconometry, Iconoplastic art together with Mudras, the different hand poses and the poses of the body as well as the postures of legs. It deals with the canons of painting and devotes a big chapter to the art of mechanical contrivances, the Yantras.

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Samarangana Sutradhara of Bhojadeva: An Ancient Treatise on Architecture (In 2 Volumes) (With An Introduction, Sanskrit Text, Verse by Verse English Translation and Notes)

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You should at least, by now, be convinced that the subject of the text is architecture, right?
Not battle.

Okay?

Harte

reply posted on 14-12-2011 @ 10:04 AM by hp1229

Originally posted by bricmpt
Thank you for writing this. Helpful information. It appears to me that the ancient Indians did a much better job of preserving the information given to them by the gods than have so many other cultures. Such a wonderful place, India, with so much to teach the western world if we slow down and take a look, so to speak.

I look forward to more underwater archaeology coming to the public in the future. Wonder what the office of Naval Intelligence knows that the rest of us do not.

Namaste.

Unfortunately most of them were burnt and ruined by the invading civilizations to help flourish their religion (Islam & Christianity).

However the beauty of it lies in the method of preserving most of the history through the memorization and reciting of shlokas and shastras (story telling). This is where the memory power always played a crucial part in certain caste(s) (Brahmins) who were the elites in those days and respected just for that.

Its like the movie 'Book of Eli' (Denzel Washington) where the entire bible is re-written using the memorized version of a blind person.

The famous being the Nalanda University which was burned down by the Moguls which contained several ancient texts and manuscripts documenting much of the history. Lets see how much of it will be documented and recovered in our times. Project is underway to re-construct the Nalanda University.

reply posted on 14-12-2011 @ 10:15 AM by hp1229

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Originally posted by BlackPoison94
reply to post by KilgoreTrout

en.wikipedia.org...

The company invaded India which I generalise to say that England invaded India.
India was part of the British Empire. Loads of things were exported from there. Even England's crown jewels.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Oh and the colonial rule. What they did to India is some respects was horrifying and others I am grateful.

I think you need to research that a little more throughly. Trade agreements are not invasions. Certainly the British exploited local rivalries to gain control of trade in some regions, but your OP is misleading and inaccurate and 'invasion' is a huge stretch of the imagination.

Agree. Despite the richness of the Culture, the country was invaded countless times by several dynasties. Just shows that no particular race is superior or perfect even if they want to (unless you somehow turn them into robots through mind control and genetic experiments). The only weakness they ever possessed/possess is lack of UNITY. This is evident throughout the Indian History and it was exploited by the invading civilizations. If you think the people of India might have learnt from History? No. If you examine the current political structure and the lack of Unity in General, it hasn't changed by much. I would love to speculate or project what India could have achieved if there were no Foreign Invasions (Moghuls & Christianity) as the trade route existed way before Christianity was born between the East and the West.

reply posted on 14-12-2011 @ 10:25 AM by hp1229

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by lisa2012
This is why we still do not get what happened in ancient times is because they tell you they build the pyramids with a round stones and a chisels and you believe it.

Well here is my challenge I want someone to cut a 1 foot square granite block nice and smooth and square with a round rock and copper chisel... When that is done, we can talk about how the Egyptians did this..

Generally average folks in India wont even think about doing a job that is way below their Status/Profession

let alone wonder or even bother about the profession of a Mason.

However for the folks who live overseas and into the DYI (Do It Yourself) projects, it reveals the appreciation of the profession and ultimately motivates to be curious about the ancient structures and architectures in General.

I have seen it done on Documentaries but also in real. However it all depends on the type of granite that needs to be cut (smooth vs coarse grain). Drill small holes along the top of the granite to be cut and keep driving the chisel gently and uniformly along the line to be cut and VIOLA. The rest of it is polishing is done by either a wooden hammer and chisel or by grinding the stone with another stone (old fashioned grain mill). By far the hardest granite is found in the south of India where the huge temples (gopurams) were made by having the elephants/boats haul the Granite blocks hundreds of miles to the destination.

However its good if you have the time. I dont as I'm married with 2 toddlers

I'll outsource it to Lowe's or Home Depot

reply posted on 15-12-2011 @ 12:42 AM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Harte

No, I've found where you got your translation from

Samarangana-Sutradhara is a work on architecture. It means literally, an architect of human dwelling and deals with, the planning of towns and villages, building of houses, halls and palaces as well as machines of various kinds.

Source

But I've found:

A manuscript, composed in Sanskrit by King Bhoja in the 11th Century A.D., deals with techniques of warfare, and in particular with certain types of war machines. The work is called Samarangana Sutradhara, or "Battlefield Commander"(sometimes abbreviated "the Samar"), and the whole of chapter XXXI is devoted to the construction and operation of several kinds of aircraft having various methods of propulsion.

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and

There are many references in ancient Sanskrit referencing the Vimanas as battlefield space crafts that harbored many weapons used by both Gods and demons. In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara, which means “controller of the battlefield”, it is written:

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In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara (Literally, "controller of the battlefield"), it is written:

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So ultimately.....I'm still searching for a definite answer. I can see the common-sense in that the name may not be 'Battlefield Commander' or 'Controller of the Battlefield' but people sometimes call books different names. Does Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' contain information only to that of war?

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reply posted on 15-12-2011 @ 02:17 AM by zorgon

Anyone see this yet?

The world's oldest nuclear family discovered

Evidence that the nuclear family dates back to the Stone Age has been unearthed for the first time by scientists.

By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
1:45PM GMT 17 Nov 2008

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply posted on 15-12-2011 @ 07:26 AM by Harte

Originally posted by LightAssassin
So ultimately.....I'm still searching for a definite answer. I can see the common-sense in that the name may not be 'Battlefield Commander' or 'Controller of the Battlefield' but people sometimes call books different names. Does Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' contain information only to that of war?
edit on 15-12-2011 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)

Perhaps you missed where I said that I don't deny that the quoted material is in the book, or the quote I supplied that notes this very fact.

Leonard is an Oklahoman whose entire career has been spent in the fringe. His PhD is in comparative religion and is from an unaccredited "university."

On the other hand, please note who my links mention as the translator of this tome, including its title.

Obviously, you can believe what you want. You have Leonard's claimed translation - and you must acknowledge his bias and his agenda - and you have a claimed translation by a noted Hindu scholar from India (see "about the author" on this page.)

Take your pick.

Harte

reply posted on 15-12-2011 @ 05:43 PM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Harte

I acknowledge everything you have said, I merely want to find the precise translation for the words Samarangana Sutradhara but I actually plan on purchasing this exact version of the book.

reply posted on 15-12-2011 @ 05:51 PM by LightAssassin

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Sorry Zorgon but Nuclear Family

Nuclear family is a term used to define a family group consisting of a father and mother and their children.[1] This is in contrast to the smaller single-parent family, and to the larger extended family. Nuclear families typically center on a married couple, but not always;[2] the nuclear family may have any number of children. There are differences in definition among observers; some definitions allow only biological children that are full-blood siblings,[3] while others allow for a stepparent and any mix of dependent children including stepchildren and adopted children.[4] Alternate definitions have included family units headed by same-sex parents,[2] and perhaps additional adult relatives who take on a cohabiting parental role.[5]
The concept of the nuclear family was first noticed in Western Europe in the 17th century. With the emergence of proto-industrialization and early capitalism, the nuclear family became a financially viable social unit.[6]

reply posted on 15-12-2011 @ 05:53 PM by Hanslune

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by zorgon

Sorry Zorgon but Nuclear Family

I presumed he was joking while he was working on the answers to my questions

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reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 03:21 AM by LightAssassin

reply to post by Hanslune

Oops. I've taken him literally.

reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 11:05 AM by Hanslune

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Hanslune

Oops. I've taken him literally.

Ah, you've made we reconsidered....Zorgon wouldn't have thought they were nuclear victims do you? Nah........

reply posted on 16-12-2011 @ 02:54 PM by WatchRider

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Originally posted by BlackPoison94
India was a thriving country and had it not been for the British invasion

The British invaded India? Really ? When was that...?

British didn't invade, that's post-modern liberal tosh. Often closet anti-European bias too but that's another tale...

The East India Company did trade deals with different Indian factions who invited them inland. Part of the reason they were invited in was ancestrally the same as why the Conquistadors had an easy time in the America's.
To put it delicately the Indian's, especially the upper-class ones felt a kinship to the Europeans.
Them being the French and English.

For the Indians they felt they could trust the European's of the East India Company etc more than the Muslim Arab's.
The EIC also had a technological advantage. Something that the Indian's would of also associated with their Vedic texts to a slight extent. This echo's with the tales of Virachoca and the plumed serpent god in the America's.

Now I don't buy into this 'fashionable white bashing' of the Aryan invasion theory.
So just because it was translated by Briton's it has to be racist or bias? How numb and opinionated is that?

There was no need to deliberately distort anything, the Brit's already had control of India by then, nothing was gained or lost by the translation. Nowhere did it actually even state there would be a white-return via the EIC.
Tribal migration's have been hijacked to insane proportion's to fit a liberal agenda of lying about history.
Putting forward dates to support there was no golden-age tech, or culture.

edit on 16-12-2011 by WatchRider because: Excess text edit that was trailing OT

reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 09:35 AM by hp1229

reply to post by WatchRider

Agreed. It was the lack of Unity and several hundred kingdoms/regions that were the cause for the Brits to cakewalk into India.

reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 10:53 AM by Hanslune

Originally posted by hp1229
reply to post by WatchRider

Agreed. It was the lack of Unity and several hundred kingdoms/regions that were the cause for the Brits to cakewalk into India.

Agreed but it was no cakewalk, it took centuries and there were lots of internal drama on both the 'Indian' side and the European. A real tangle with the Portuguese, French, English, Dutch and Danes vs the melange of Indian powers.

reply posted on 15-5-2012 @ 08:48 PM by AussieAmandaC

Well, I am sorry.
I book marked this for reading later and here I am, a lot later than anticipated.
Fantastic thread and a wonderful volume of work on your part op.

The memory jogger (worst description sorry) of the Japan atomic bomb, is hopefully enough to last forever, although the ancients probably thought the same thing too.

Thanks again

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