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'911 in Plane Site' - Has Anyone Seen It?

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posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 01:09 PM
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Link to description of viewing of video of original footage from day of 9/11. Footage has caused a bit of a stir apparently with some people debunking, some people believing -

Review

Has anyone seen the video?




posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 01:20 PM
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I have it downloaded but havent watched it. I skimmed through it and it's one guy talking about how the planes crashing into the WTC weren't passenger planes at all. Kinda far fetched... peoples families didnt just dissapear.. they were on airplanes!



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 01:50 PM
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I haven't had a chance to watch it.. but I'm currently downloading it and I'll give you my THOUGHTS on it after I'm done watching it.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:22 PM
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Haven't watched it but I think that only the Muslims, far right and crackpots really think it was a Jewish conspiracy.

And whatever anyone says (and I am not fan of Bush) - I refuse to believe that any person elected President would not have acted with absolute resolve had they know the kind of attack that was 911 was going to take place.

Is there anyone here who believes Bush knew the twin towers etc were going to be attacked but deliberately did nothing?



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:28 PM
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It's about time someone put this out. The information is not new, it has been around for months but most people haven't been paying attention. Everyone is to busy speculating about foreign terrorists....they forget to look in our backyard. It will be interesting to see the fallout from this.

Respects,



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:37 PM
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crossfire


Is there anyone here who believes Bush knew the twin towers etc were going to be attacked but deliberately did nothing?


There is a bunch of people who have knew the truth about 9-11 for a long time...maybe now a whole lot of others will know

I am not sure Bush knew.....Cheney and his handlers think he is too stupid to be trusted with much.

Respects,



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:41 PM
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That the President of the USA knew of an attack on key landmarks in two cities that could cause thousands of deaths and deliberately did nothing so he could get a political advantage?

Is that what you REALLY think?



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by crossfire
That the President of the USA knew of an attack on key landmarks in two cities that could cause thousands of deaths and deliberately did nothing so he could get a political advantage?

Is that what you REALLY think?


Yes.
Yes I do.
So do a lot of other people.
I think it was allowed to happen so there would be ready-made excuses for invasions of sovereign nations who happen to be sitting on top of oil reserves.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by crossfire
That the President of the USA knew of an attack on key landmarks in two cities that could cause thousands of deaths and deliberately did nothing so he could get a political advantage?

Is that what you REALLY think?


Damn right. Although I will qualify that with, "I believe this puppet administration could have been out of the loop on the details of the event....mainly because the puppetmasters know the real stupidity of this administration.

Respects,



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:18 PM
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I dont have very much respect for President Bush, or Tony Blair for that matter, but i find it very hard to believe that an American President, no matter how much he was looking for excuses to invade Iraq, Would knowingingly sanction something like this. Perhaps my desire to believe that no one could be Evil enough to do such a thing is clouding my judgement.... But i will reserve that judgement untill ive downloaded and watched the video.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:18 PM
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911 is a situation in which reality is stranger and more scary than fiction. i've been saying this forever and a day...that the physical evidence does not support what the govt says happened on 911.......that is the most important question...the whys and whos can come later. once more people begin to see that the AMERICAN govt is covering something up, the the whys and whos can be asked. it doesn't nessecarily mean the the govt had something to do with 911, it could mean that they were unable to stop it do to 'other powers that be' controlling or influencing certaiin areas of govt....and if that were true, the govt would want to cover that up also.

it is not just a political advantage that is gained...but influence and $$ and the means to wield it across the world......
the next few years will be a crucile time in American history.........................



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by crossfire
That the President of the USA knew of an attack on key landmarks in two cities that could cause thousands of deaths and deliberately did nothing so he could get a political advantage?

Is that what you REALLY think?



Originally posted by MsCGA
Yes.
Yes I do.
So do a lot of other people.
I think it was allowed to happen so there would be ready-made excuses for invasions of sovereign nations who happen to be sitting on top of oil reserves.


A LOT of people indeed. There are just too many unanswered questions and too much evidence to support the theory.

Peace,
BG



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:32 PM
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Where can I download this film?



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by AmethystWolf
Where can I download this film?


www.thepowerhour.com...

Respects,



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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What a load of crap


Other footage includes several women who had a very clear view watching the second plane hit were yelling, "That wasn't American Airlines....It wasn't American Airlines going into the building." These interviews were played that morning once on FOX News, never to be replayed again, despite the massive saturation and repetition by the media for many days to come.


That is because the American Airlines flight was the first to hit the north tower. It was a United Airlines flight that hit the second, or south tower.

I'm sure there are many other so-called facts presented in the video that are also just plain wrong. Thank god I'm not going to waste my time watching that.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:42 PM
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This is an old post on ATS, it offers my views on 9-11.

Originally posted by 1amc
This is not Isramerica, or Jewmerica

My perspective at this time goes like this, 9-11 was “Tonkin Bay 2001” and it was extremely successful. Now we have to “DEAL WITH IT”.

9-11 was a conspiracy that continues within America. The actors that conspired to stage the event are criminals, pure and simple. The list of crimes they committed will be large, as will the number of individuals that will be caught and prosecuted for these crimes. I tend to disagree with the assumption that this has to be a massive conspiracy; I think we may find that a relative small number of persons actually working for the government, and others working within the government were actually involved in the prosecution of the traitorous deed itself. The conspirators that planned the 9-11 events are more than likely outside the criminals that originated the ideal of using an event of such magnitude to change history and lead our country on the courses we now travel. The number of individuals needed to accomplish the act is directly related to the power of the persons involved. I also tend to lean heavily toward involvement by Israelis.

We do not need to wait 5-10-25-50 years to know the traitorous criminals that were involved in 9-11. (Northwoods 40 years)

The ideologies that contemplated and carried out the criminal acts on 9-11 are a very real (Level Bright Red) threat to our country. Think about it; they committed what they thought were perfect crimes, escaping unknown and untouched. Now the depth and breath of their crimes are being exposed and they have nowhere to hide. The repercussions from the truth about 9-11 may be far reaching and with amazing changes in the relationships we now have with Israel.

I believe that the time has come for the American people to demand that the relationships, between the United States, Israel and certain Israeli groups be reviewed immediately. Israel and certain Israeli groups will always put the interest of Israel and their own ideologies ahead of any thought of America or the rest of the world.

“WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, AND THE
AMERICANS KNOW IT.” Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001
(IAP NEWS)

I do not think for a moment that certain groups of Israelis would hesitate in killing 3000 Americans, or 300,000 Americans, or 3,000,000 Americans if they thought the results would benefit their vision of Israel and the rest of the world. I do not for a moment think that certain Americans (powerful people, families, and corporations,) would hesitate in killing 3000 Americans, or 300,000 Americans, or 3,000,000 Americans if the results would benefit their visions of themselves and the rest of the world.

Israel is somewhat like a child which has benefited from 50 plus years of leniency, and protection from an over zealous mother (USA) who would not listen to any sort of criticism whatsoever of her lovely child. Now the child has become a sociopathic serial mass murderer. Whatever relations we have from this point on with the State of Israel and certain related Israeli groups cannot continue to proceed as is, by outdated agreements and arrangements that blind us to the evil in the child. This is not Isramerica, or Jewmerica. This is the “United States of America” and even with all its warts and blemishes it is ours, not theirs. Our treasury and military are not supported by the citizens to be used or abused by any other county regardless of who they are. We cannot lose our democracy and solvency because of our subservience to any country or ideologies.

We have to assume the role of leadership. You know the saying,”Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way”. We have to lead, we cannot follow, and we are too big and bad to get the hell out of the way. When I say bad, I do mean bad, we have the ability and the means to defeat any foe or foes on this planet. It is a given that we are by far the most potentially dangerous nation that has ever existed. How, we manage this massive power will probably decide the fate of this world. The enormity of American power is almost inconceivable, capable of turning the planet into a lifeless hunk of space debris.

It makes no “difference” to history if the United States of America becomes a failed experiment in “Democracy”, but it damn well “matters” to history. This “Country’ was not built on the backs of our many millions of ancestors, mostly decent, hard working, and honest people, to be given away to any peoples, cults, political parties, or other country, so they could fund themselves, their friends (conspirators), and their ideologies as some kind elixir for World Government.

George Bush, "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot." - Groucho Marx

Respects,



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by 1amc

Originally posted by AmethystWolf
Where can I download this film?


www.thepowerhour.com...

Respects,



If you have to pay for this 'Film' i would recommend that you do not. It was pretty worthless IMO.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:45 PM
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As far as I’m concerned ( I’m just a nobody in this big old world) but I’m of the opinion that the Bush Administration are responsible for allowing 911 to happen, and are involved with the stonewalling and cover-up
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Bin Laden Met with the CIA in July and Walked Away

October 31, the French daily Le Figaro dropped a bombshell. While
in a Dubai hospital receiving treatment for a chronic kidney
infection last July, Osama bin Laden met with a top CIA official -
presumably the Chief of Station. The meeting, held in bin Laden's
private suite, took place at the American hospital in Dubai at a time
when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two U.S.
embassies and this year's attack on the U.S.S. Cole. Bin Laden was
eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence finding issued
by President Bill Clinton before leaving office in January. Yet on
July 14th he was allowed to leave Dubai on a private jet and there
were no Navy fighters waiting to force him down.

In 1985 Oliver North - the only member of the Reagan-Bush years
who doesn't appear to have a hand in the current war - sent the
Navy and commandos after terrorists on the cruise ship Achille
Lauro. In his 1991 autobiography "Under Fire," while describing
terrorist Abu Abbas, North wrote, "I used to wonder: how many dead
Americans will it take before we do something?" One could look at
the number of Americans Osama bin Laden is alleged to have killed
before September 11 and ask the same question.

It gets worse, much worse. A more complete timeline listing crucial
events both before and after the September 11th suicide attacks,
which have been blamed on bin Laden, establishes CIA
foreknowledge of them and strongly suggests that there was
criminal complicity on the part of the U.S. government in their
execution. It also makes clear that the events which have taken
place since September 11th are based upon an agenda that has
little to do with the attacks.

One wonders how these events could have been ignored by the
major media or treated as isolated incidents. Failing that, how could
skilled news agencies avoid being outraged, or at least even just a
little suspicious?

1. 1998 and 2000 - Former President George H.W. Bush travels
to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group,
the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he
meets privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden
family. Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also
FTW, Vol. IV, No 7 - "The Best Enemies Money Can Buy," -
www.copvcia.com...]

2. January, 2001 - The Bush Administration orders the FBI and
intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the
bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden's relatives
(Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, VA - right
next to CIA headquarters. This followed previous orders dating
back to 1996, frustrating efforts to investigate the bin Laden
family. [Source: BBC Newsnight, Correspondent Gregg Palast -
Nov 7, 2001].

3. Feb 13, 2001 - UPI Terrorism Correspondent Richard Sale -
while covering a trial of bin Laden's Al Q'aeda followers -
reports that the National Security Agency has broken bin
Laden's encrypted communications. Even if this indicates that
bin Laden changed systems in February it does not mesh with
the fact that the government insists that the attacks had been
planned for years.

4. May 2001 - Secretary of State Colin Powell gives $43 million in
aid to the Taliban regime, purportedly to assist hungry farmers
who are starving since the destruction of their opium crop in
January on orders of the Taliban regime. [Source: The Los
Angeles Times, May 22, 2001].

5. May, 2001 - Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a
career covert operative and former Navy Seal, travels to India
on a publicized tour while CIA Director George Tenet makes a
quiet visit to Pakistan to meet with Pakistani leader General
Pervez Musharraf. Armitage has long and deep Pakistani
intelligence connections and he is the recipient of the highest
civil decoration awarded by Pakistan. It would be reasonable to
assume that while in Islamabad, Tenet, in what was described
as "an unusually long meeting," also met with his Pakistani
counterpart, Lt. General Mahmud Ahmad, head of the ISI.
[Source The Indian SAPRA news agency, May 22, 2001.]

6. June 2001 - German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and
Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are "planning to hijack
commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important
symbols of American and Israeli culture." [Source: Frankfurter
Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]

7. July, 2001 - Three American officials: Tom Simmons (former
U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former
Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee
Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia), meet
with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in Berlin and
tell them that the U.S. is planning military strikes against
Afghanistan in October. A French book released in November,
"Bin Laden - La Verite Interdite," discloses that Taliban
representatives often sat in on the meetings. British papers
confirm that the Pakistani ISI relayed the threats to the
Taliban. [Source: The Guardian, September 22, 2001; the BBC,
September 18, 2001.The Inter Press Service, Nov 16, 2001]

8. Summer 2001 - According to a Sept. 26 story in Britain's The
Guardian, correspondent David Leigh reported that, "U.S.
department of defense official, Dr. Jeffrey Starr, visited
Tajikistan in January. The Guardian's Felicity Lawrence
established that US Rangers were also training special troops
in Kyrgyzstan. There were unconfirmed reports that Tajik and
Uzbek special troops were training in Alaska and Montana."

9. Summer 2001 (est.) - Pakistani ISI Chief General Mahmud
(see above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to
Mohammed Atta, who was according to the FBI, the lead
terrorist in the suicide hijackings. Mahmud recently resigned
after the transfer was disclosed in India and confirmed by the
FBI. [Source: The Times of India, October 11, 2001.]

10. Summer 2001 - An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement
to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in
the week of September 9th. German police confirm the calls but
state that the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further
information. [Source: German news agency "online.ie",
September 14, 2001.]

11. August 2001 - The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to
bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that
the man is a key member of bin Laden's network and the FBI
learns that he has been taking flying lessons. At the time of
his arrest the man is in possession of technical information on
Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. [Source: Reuters,
September 13.]

12. Summer 2001 - Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25
terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide
missions. This is reported in the Russian press and news
stories are translated for FTW by a retired CIA officer.

13. July 4-14, 2001 - Osama bin Laden receives treatments for
kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and meets
with a CIA official who returns to CIA headquarters on July
15th. [Source: Le Figaro, October 31st, 2001.]

14. August 2001 - Russian President Vladimir Putin orders
Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the
strongest possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and
government buildings. [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin,
September 15.]

15. August/September, 2001 - The Dow Jones Industrial Average
drops nearly 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack.
A major stock market crash is imminent. [This was either a
natural economic cycle, or brought on by foreknowledge of
industrialists etc. who were informed of the coming Sept 11
attack]

16. Sept. 3-10, 2001 - MS-NBC reports on September 16 that a
caller to a Cayman Islands radio talk show gave several
warnings of an imminent attack on the U.S. by bin Laden in the
week prior to 9/11.

17. September 1-10, 2001 - In an exercise, Operation "Swift
Sword" planned for four years, 23, 000 British troops are
steaming toward Oman. Although the 9/11 attacks caused a
hiccup in the deployment the massive operation was
implemented as planned. At the same time two U.S. carrier
battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the
Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S.
troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for
Operation "Bright Star." All of these forces are in place before
the first plane hits the World Trade Center. [Sources: The
Guardian, CNN, FOX, The Observer, International Law
Professor Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois.]

18. September 6-7, 2001 - 4,744 put options (a speculation that
the stock will go down) are purchased on United Air Lines stock
as opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock
will go up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales
of put options. Many of the UAL puts are purchased through
Deutschebank/AB Brown, a firm managed until 1998 by the
current Executive Director of the CIA, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard.
Source: The Herzliyya International Policy Institute for
Counterterrorism, www.ict.org.il... September 21; The
New York Times; The Wall Street Journal.]

19. September 10, 2001 - 4,516 put options are purchased on
American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: ICT
- above]

20. September 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar
trading patterns to those experienced by UAL and American.
The put option purchases on both airlines were 600% above
normal. This at a time when Reuters (September 10) issues a
business report stating, "Airline stocks may be poised to take
off."

21. September 6-10, 2001 - Highly abnormal levels of put options
are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA
Re(insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich
Re. All of these companies are directly impacted by the September
11 attacks. [Source: ICT, above; FTW, Vol. IV, No.7, October 18, 2001,
www.copvcia.com... ]

22. It has been documented that the CIA, the Israeli Mossad and
many other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in real
time using highly advanced programs reported to be descended
from Promis software. This is to alert national intelligence
services of just such kinds of attacks. Promis was reported, as
recently as June, 2001 to be in Osama bin Laden's possession
and, as a result of recent stories by FOX, both the FBI and the
Justice Department have confirmed its use for U.S. intelligence
gathering through at least this summer. This would confirm
that CIA had additional advance warning of imminent attacks.
[Sources: The Washington Times, June 15, 2001; FOX News,
October 16, 2001; FTW, October 26, 2001, -
www.copvcia.com...; FTW, Vol.
IV, No.6, Sept.18, 2001 -
www.copvcia.com...; FTW, Vol. 3,
No 7, 9/30/00 -
www.copvcia.com/stories/may_2001/052401_promis.html.

23. September 11, 2001 - Gen Mahmud of the ISI (see above),
friend of Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of
the Taliban. [Source: MS-NBC, Oct. 7.]

24. September 11, 2001, For 35 minutes, from 8:15 AM until 9:05
AM, with it widely known within the FAA and the military that
four planes have been simultaneously hijacked and taken off
course, no one notifies the President of the United States. It is
not until 9:30 that any Air Force planes are scrambled to
intercept, but by then it is too late. This means that the
National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes before
scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four
simultaneous hijackings had occurred - an event that has
never happened in history. [Sources: CNN, ABC, MS-NBC, The
Los Angeles Times, The New York Times.]

25. September 13, 2001 - China is admitted to the World Trade
Organization quickly, after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts.
[Source: The New York Times, Sept. 30, 2001.]

26. September 15, 2001 - The New York Times reports that Mayo
Shattuck III has resigned, effective immediately, as head of the
Alex (A.B) Brown unit of Deutschebank.

27. September 29, 2001 - The San Francisco Chronicle reports
that $2.5 million in put options on American Airlines and
United Airlines are unclaimed. This is likely the result of the
suspension in trading on the NYSE after the attacks which
gave the Securities and Exchange Commission time to be
waiting when the owners showed up to redeem their put
options.

28 . October 10, 2001 - The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post
reports that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a
call on the Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned
Unocal pipeline from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to the
Pakistani coast, for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China,
is now back on the table "in view of recent geopolitical
developments."

29. Mid October, 2001 - The Dow Jones Industrial Average, after
having suffered a precipitous drop has recovered most of its
pre-attack losses. Although still weak, and vulnerable to
negative earnings reports, a crash has been averted by a
massive infusion of government spending on defense programs,
subsidies for "affected" industries and planned tax cuts for
corporations.

Now, let's go back to the October 31 story by Le Figaro

the one that has Osama bin Laden meeting with a CIA officer in Dubai this
June.

The story says that, "Throughout his stay in the hospital, Osama
Bin Laden received visits from many family members [There goes
the story that he's a black sheep!] and Saudi Arabian Emirate
personalities of status.
During this time the local representative of
the CIA was seen by many people taking the elevator and going to
bin Laden's room. "Several days later the CIA officer bragged to his
friends about having visited the Saudi millionaire. From
authoritative sources, this CIA agent visited CIA headquarters on
July 15th, the day after bin Laden's departure for Quetta…
"According to various Arab diplomatic sources and French
intelligence itself, precise information was communicated to the
CIA concerning terrorist attacks aimed at American interests in the
world, including its own territory."…

"Extremely bothered, they [American intelligence officers in a
meeting with French intelligence officers] requested from their
French peers exact details about the Algerian activists [connected
to bin Laden through Dubai banking institutions], without
explaining the exact nature of their inquiry. When asked the
question, "What do you fear in the coming days?' the Americans
responded with incomprehensible silence."…

"On further investigation, the FBI discovered certain plans that had
been put together between the CIA and its "Islamic friends" over
the years. The meeting in Dubai is, so it would seem, consistent
with 'a certain American policy.'"

Even though Le Figaro reported that it had confirmed with hospital
staff that bin Laden had been there as reported, stories printed on
November 1 contained quotes from hospital staff that these reports
were untrue. On November 1, as reported by the Ananova press
agency, the CIA flatly denied that any meeting between any CIA
personnel and Osama bin Laden at any time.

In the most ironic twist of all, FTW has learned that Le Figaro is
owned by the Carlyle Group, the American defense contractor which
employs George Bush Sr., and which had as investors - until they
sold their stake on October 26 - the bin Laden family

By Michael C. Ruppert
[© COPYRIGHT 2001, All Rights Reserved, Michael C. Ruppert and
From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. May be copied
and distributed for non-profit purposes only.]
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posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
What a load of crap

Thank god I'm not going to waste my time watching that.


This is the problem...most people do not want to believe that our own government could be behind such an event...which I can understand. But I do not understand someone who will not even consider it. How can you go wrong by looking at all information, before making a conclusion. It is your country and you are free to treat it as you will.

Respects,



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 04:05 PM
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Geez, please dont turn this into another Bush knew and did nothing thread, or even worse, Bush planned this thread. We have enough of these already.

***THIS JUST IN: Bush knew about hurricane Charley and did nothing to stop it. **** Oh my I smell a conspiracy.




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