What has Ghaddafi done wrong?

He has done some terrible things in order to maintain his power. But the military action against Libya has nothing to do with any of his ill-behaviour in the past, which never bothered our righteous leaders. Humanitarianism is the word coating this intervention, but that's just a neat little agitprop word that sounds good when our politicians strike a pose on the news. So what are the real reasons we are ousting the Colonel? I'm not going to pretend to know why. I think there is a bunch of reasons, some simple and some not so. I suggest power, or rather its use, is its own reward.

Am I suggesting our leaders would use their power just because it is there to be used? Yes, of course. We have a tendency to politicise military aggression and to delve too deeply into these types of issues and make compicated inferences about the underlying motives. We spend so much time overanalysing, looking in shadowy places for the answers when, in fact, the truth is devastatingly simple.

What has Gaddafi done wrong? Probably quite a few things. Why are we there? I think if our leaders were to tell the truth for once they would say, "Well, just because."

I will quote a few things from the links below, but please visit them for further for videos and other related information.




Libyan man revisits scene of execution

Gaddafi's Libyan rule exposed in lost picture archive

Under Gaddafi, the month of April has seen some of the worst abuses of human rights in Libyan history. Starting with arrests of suspected political party members in 1973, and executions of military officers in 1975, the madness of the Gaddafi regime culminated into reserving April for persecution of Libyan students and other dissidents, inside and outside Libya.

Victims of the Gaddafi Regime

Libya has formally accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and has paid billions of dollars to families of the victims.

Gaddafi was in the United States this week, speaking in New York to a United Nations meeting.

During the interview for "Fareed Zakaria GPS," which is to air on Sunday, Gaddafi was asked whether he regretted any possible role that Libyan officials might have played in the airplane bombing that killed 270 people.

He responded, "No one will support an action like that." Gaddafi went on to compare it to a 1986 U.S. military raid against Libya that killed around 40 people, including Gaddafi's daughter

Libya's Gaddafi met Lockerbie bomb victim relatives

Originally posted by Vanishr
reply to post by stumason

 

I really dont think you realise what the libyans use to get from there government, you DO NOT get more in benefits, unless your some kind of benefit cheat claiming every benefit possible and your claming a massive council house being payed subsidised for you.

The libyans get money every year from there oil reserves, they get paid a cash sum when young couples get married, when starting a new business, Gaddaffi gave them a large cash sum, something in the range of $20000 (obviously not pounds) to get them started, this was for every citizen.

If Gaddaffi is so bad to his people, why does he have so many supporters, namely women supporters ? doesnt he order all his viagra filled soldiers to rape all the women ? No he doesnt, tahts the rebels, ethnicially cleansing and raping every town they pillage from Gaddaffi's troops.

Some people on this site must be paid disinfo agents as i dont undetstand how they can be so ignorant to this Global strategy of destroying someones credibility to get the public to not care about the crimes we are committing in Libya every day since we got there.

You know maybe just maybe you should try getting your information somewhere other than the interenet. Find some Libyans ask them about life in Libya under Gaddaffi. They are not hard to find they been fleeing from Libya for decades. Tell them how great life was in Libya. Oh wait I am sure they all work for the CIA as well. As for Disinfo agents? Why would anyone waste the time on a place like this?

Originally posted by MrSpad

Originally posted by Vanishr
reply to post by stumason

 

I really dont think you realise what the libyans use to get from there government, you DO NOT get more in benefits, unless your some kind of benefit cheat claiming every benefit possible and your claming a massive council house being payed subsidised for you.

The libyans get money every year from there oil reserves, they get paid a cash sum when young couples get married, when starting a new business, Gaddaffi gave them a large cash sum, something in the range of $20000 (obviously not pounds) to get them started, this was for every citizen.

If Gaddaffi is so bad to his people, why does he have so many supporters, namely women supporters ? doesnt he order all his viagra filled soldiers to rape all the women ? No he doesnt, tahts the rebels, ethnicially cleansing and raping every town they pillage from Gaddaffi's troops.

Some people on this site must be paid disinfo agents as i dont undetstand how they can be so ignorant to this Global strategy of destroying someones credibility to get the public to not care about the crimes we are committing in Libya every day since we got there.

You know maybe just maybe you should try getting your information somewhere other than the interenet. Find some Libyans ask them about life in Libya under Gaddaffi. They are not hard to find they been fleeing from Libya for decades. Tell them how great life was in Libya. Oh wait I am sure they all work for the CIA as well. As for Disinfo agents? Why would anyone waste the time on a place like this?

Looks like most people have fallen for the propoganda. They most likely live in the US so far from where the proverbial hits the fan they have no idea.......whereas I was 1 day from having a panam plane drop on my head and fortunate enough not to be in a frequented shopping centre when the IRA blew it up. Thanks Gaddafi you are such a nice person........NOT!

Gaddafi nice! Wow what a jaw dropper.

I heard it was something to do with him attempting to change the way oil is traded, which the USA was none too pleased about.

Oh and about Panam it wasn't them what did it.

He's the only cool Middle Eastern leader I like. The other one being Ahmadinejad. Ofcourse, the west has been smeared and brainwashed by lies by the media that they are a bunch of anti-semitic, anti-democratic dictators.
Contrary to popular belief, they have been used as scapegoats for terrorist attacks the CIA and MI5 itself funded... I'm pretty sure you can find countless threads about that around here, but heres a recent one:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by stumason


Listen to yourself talking out your arse. The US and the UK invented terrorism and have sponsored it throughout the world.
Thats why i dont wave a flag and say im proud to be english. We are as guilty as any country in the world of despicable acts on a day to day basis. God that wanker Cameron just got back from africa negotiating arms deals.

ROLL UP ROLL UP! GET YOUR LAND MINES HERE.
Keep your flag in your pants mate.. nobody wants to see it..

Elvis
Thankyouverymuch

Originally posted by Elvis Hendrix
Listen to yourself talking out your arse. The US and the UK invented terrorism and have sponsored it throughout the world.

Riiigghhtt.

The US and UK invented terrorism. And you accuse someone else of talking out their ass?

Time for some research (which is always lacking here on ATS). Try hitting the books; terrorism has been around longer than the US or UK have been.

reply to post by 412304


The United States of Africa does'nt fall in line with a one world govt. How dare Ghaddafi tip the scales of the Globalists and their worldy plan

reply to post by jude11


I agree.

Originally posted by kozmo
What did he do wrong? It is simple, he dared to consider a Libyan Oil Bourse and begin trading in other currencies than the dollar. The international banking cartel cannot/ will not allow it. When word leaked that Saddam was planning it, WHAM 9/11 happened and we went into Iraq without a shred of evidence that it had anything to do with 9/11. Iran has already announce their Bourse, so you can expect to see rather immediate action in Iran.

Simple fact is this, we USED to have a gold standard, but the introduction of a fiat currency (Dollar) that is universally used to trade oil has resulted in us having an oil standard that is artificially supporting the dollar. Once the major oil producing countries of the world begin trading oil in other currencies, the bankers are going to lose their asses. The derivatives market will literally unravel within a few weeks. And the US will be reduced to holding worthless currency, for real!

As long as the banker's wield enough power to compel the politicans to use the military to power to prevent this, we will see endles military "operations" to remove "dictators and tyrants." Personally, I think we're focused on the removing the WRONG dictators and tyrants who reside in our own halls of government.

.........we have a winner.

More truth is said here than many will realize.

Originally posted by 412304
reply to post by stumason

 

Also what about Whistle Blowers in the US like Bradley Manning? hes a political prisoner. All he did was "complain" about the crap the US does with its military. There could be hundreds like him gone missing in the US.

"brutal supression of individual rights and freedoms we take for granted." Your kidding right? so... What share of the profits from the resources that are dug out of America or England given to you? None? well there is one thing that Libyans have over you. They have the RIGHT to the profits from resources dug out of there homeland.
And by the looks of the way he runs the country with the Jamahiriya system, te Libyan people have more say in what goes on in there country then any American/Australian/Englishmen.

I agree..............

reply to post by jerico65
[mo

I was not talking about terrorism using bows and arrows jackass

It’s really nice of you guys to bring up Pan-Am terrorist action and judge the Col. Gaddafi for it. Tell me something…

How about the terrorist action done by the US government on Iran Air Flight 655…

Why the first one counted as terrorist attack but the second one counted as accident (no apologize received and infact the buster who done it have medal for it too).

Even double standards and lies has their own limits….!

Originally posted by mwood

Originally posted by kozmo
What did he do wrong? It is simple, he dared to consider a Libyan Oil Bourse and begin trading in other currencies than the dollar. The international banking cartel cannot/ will not allow it. When word leaked that Saddam was planning it, WHAM 9/11 happened and we went into Iraq without a shred of evidence that it had anything to do with 9/11. Iran has already announce their Bourse, so you can expect to see rather immediate action in Iran.

Simple fact is this, we USED to have a gold standard, but the introduction of a fiat currency (Dollar) that is universally used to trade oil has resulted in us having an oil standard that is artificially supporting the dollar. Once the major oil producing countries of the world begin trading oil in other currencies, the bankers are going to lose their asses. The derivatives market will literally unravel within a few weeks. And the US will be reduced to holding worthless currency, for real!

As long as the banker's wield enough power to compel the politicans to use the military to power to prevent this, we will see endles military "operations" to remove "dictators and tyrants." Personally, I think we're focused on the removing the WRONG dictators and tyrants who reside in our own halls of government.

.........we have a winner.

More truth is said here than many will realize.

of coarse it is true... it is called Petrodollar Recycling Can you believe it is called a phenomenon?

It works really well when you combine it with Fractional-Reserve Banking

Every Dollar that gets spent on oil within OPEC, from every nation in the world that buys from them, gets deposited into a single bank account at the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, NY, USA. That bank is allowed by law to lend out more than 25 times the amount that it has in reserve. So essentially the Federal reserve bank has access to 25 times the amount OPEC receives in barrel purchases to extend credit to commercial banks.

Those two Wiki articles that i posted describe how the US was given an unlimited credit card thanks to third world oil producing countries.

How dare Gaddafi deprive the US of money it scammed fair and square.

Why would the House of Saudi give the US such luxury? How has the House of Saudi stayed in power so long???? It is the US taxpayer that provides military protection to that house in order to keep the deal in tact.

How does it feel Americans??? YOU pay for protection the Banks need to secure huge amounts of profits.

I'm sure most Americans know that the Secret Service was first constructed in order to protect the banks money. You know that right??


It is amazing how simple the truth really is.

Libya is all about Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth.

So to sum up...

Is Gaddafi good guy or a bad guy?

Is he guilty of trying to make the east/Africa a better place and is stepping on the wests toes?

Or is he a terrorist?

I dont know what to believe...

Daam you gaddaffi for trying to make Africa better don’t you know power and wealth should be for only western countries. Let Africa be the dump of the world eventho they have the wealthiest resources in the world, don’t try to help out other African nations let them kill each other with the weapons we give the two tribes because they think we support them but in fact we don’t.

Silly gaddaffi don’t try to make your country a better place then western countries with your free health care, education, no tax, cheap food(oil,cars,houses etc) you should know better then trying to help out your people instead of helping out the global elitist. What you want gold for oil? silly African leader you will take this worthless piece of paper

Originally posted by 412304
reply to post by stumason

 

You have the time and effort to read and reply to these posts let you show no links for this 1000 prisoner masacre... I did a small amount of research and found that Gaddafi's son was in charge of looking into the case and that to this day its still under investigation. As in not proved to have happened yet. And where did the number of people who alledgedly died come from? 1 inmate who was released.... and there was no link that Ghaddafi was the one who gave the orders, The prisoners took one of the gaurds and then tried to escape.

So no dice on that one friend.

Allegations dont count... unless you want me to bring up the American goverments alledged 9/11 thing... you know the one...

I Agree.
What i find strange is that this was all about stopping Gaddafi killing civilians.
Now the US, UK and NATO are working alongside a small army of rebels, helping to overthrow the Libyan government !

Then you have Clinton coming out saying that the US recognize these rebels as the official Libyan government !

reply to post by BMags


I dont care if he signed a contract or not, revealing the wrong doings of anyone should not be a punishable offence. Regardless of what secrets are let out. and i have not heard anywhere that manning has even been officially charged yet. Has he even had a trial? This is the problem with the world today, what the banks have made the world into. You believe because he signed a contract he has no moral or humane right to stand up against tyranny... a piece of signed paper for a young mans life.