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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by robyn
Not to derail the tread but I sincerely doubt that "those loans" will do anthing but increase the size of government and encourage regulatory agaencies to promulgate regulations that in effect enact laws that firther stifle the public sector.



The PEOPLE aren't fools. The gov cannot increase their size without public outcry if it was not necessary, nor will the PEOPLE tolerate the corporatists and biz owners from fleecing the People dry from corporate irresponsibilities such as the lies of globalisation, and will impose their WILL upon them to measure up for the benefit of all through their elected legislative.

Have faith in the system. It's all we have and up to us all to correct and change it to work as 'for the People, by the People'.

Stop that loan -...there will nothing left.....for any human left alive if any this time.


I beg to differ. While not ALL the "PEOPLE" are fools, many are highly distracted and distractable. Also, rampant selfishness and self centeredness pervale. Further, much happens in Washington behind closed doors and buried in 3000 page pieces of legislation driven by politicians with their own political futures and possible future employment by their corporate benefactors uppermost on their minds.

Logically, we would never be in this financial situation if the "PEOPLE" had been paying attention Or, had our elected officials acted constitutionally and ethically. Thus, our system has become largely "by the state, for the state" financed largely by the corporatists. So, statist=corporatist. The American people are simply pawns in the game at this point.




posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by robyn
Most politicians are skilled at appearing as though they have character. Ron Paul actually has character.

I'd like to supplement this by saying: Most politicians are skilled at appearing as though they have balls. Ron Paul actually has balls.
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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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And, at present we truly we need someone with testicles.

Listening to the politicians and pundents all I kept thinking was, "Why are none of them calling it as it is?."

The American people are not children. The issues are fairly clear. They just seem overly complicated when couched in deceptive language and misleading rhetoric.

That's one reason I respect Ron Paul. He speaks clearly and truthfully.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Is this the one being promoted by the "gang of six?"

I was watching CNN during lunch, and everyone sure is happy about those 6, and it looks like we are about to get shafted yet again!

By the way, everyone should have a signature banner that looks just like mine.


LOL! I don't have the required expertise to do that so all I got was a stinking link to the banner in my ATS media portal. I tried, at least.

ETA: Ron Paul 2012. He may or may not get what he wants to get done, as the Pres is mostly a puppet, but I'd bet he would do more good than anyone in years. At least he would try to follow the Constitution and get us back on track.
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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Hope this helps!

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

George Orwell
English essayist, novelist, & satirist (1903 - 1950)



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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"gang of six" sounds about right, they're all a bunch of thieving gangsters. they should just call it the commission, with the head of the five families and the chicago outfit.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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what is wrong with you man? let them keep raising the debt ceiling? dont fix any real problems? so basically you want to give the crooks who have been screwing over the citizens for decades another blank check? why do you feel so strongly that they will do the right thing this time? has anyone in D.C. kept a financial campaign promise in the last 50 years?how many times did someone tell you on april 1st that your shoe was untied before you actually realized it was tied? im guessing many.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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I campaigned passionately for Dr. Paul in 2007/2008. Helped push the Campaign For Liberty in between. I have been saying it for a long time and I'll continue saying it:

Ron Paul is the best and perhaps final hope for America.



It should be no surprise to those of us who know about him that he stands against anything that involves increasing the size of the government or increasing taxes. He supports the Constitution and has done so very consistently for many years.



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That is a very nice banner indeed!



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bonified Ween
Its so they can print this last batch of bills before its all worth #


it's just electronic cash, otherwise there be no trees left on Earth and no cotton for blue jeans.

type new # $ in computer, push enter.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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And, Ron Paul has never voted FOR raising the debt ceiling.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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......along with a raise in taxes on the super rich.........


This is the usual PTB double speak.

The Super Rich DO NOT PAY TAXES PERIOD.


They never have and they never will. The Elite set-up tax sheltered trusts for their money BEFORE 1913 so they would never have to.

OK so who does pay taxes???

there are nice charts at: America's independent, non-partisan advocate for overburdened taxpayers I have sort of reproduced one here.

%iles = percentiles. I am computer challenged and gave up trying to embed pictures & charts.



Tax Year 2008


%tiles Ranked by AGI.... AGI Threshold on %iles..... % of Fed... Tax Paid

Top 1%................................. $380,354.............................. 38.02

Top 5%................................ $159,619................................ 58.72

Top 10%.............................. $113,799................................ 69.94

Top 25%................................ $67,280................................. 86.34

Top 50%................................ $33,048................................. 97.30

Bottom 50%.......................



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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with over 100 million people on the government dime

another 70 million not paying any taxes

i would have voted agianst it too good for paul.

raise the limit of what you already dont have the cash for does nothing but continue the status quo.

it aint rocket science you cant spend money you dont have that is unless your the feds.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Can't you guys see it clearly by now???

....I fully agree that the fed should be dismantled and very much economic pains to be endured as well corrections done to our financial systems, but WE NEED those loans to reactivate and reset the economy while we still can, with better restructuring and rational budget, that deficit CAN be cut further with increased earnings and revenue later..


Yes I can see the problem and the BUDGET is NOT THE PROBLEM.

Small business account for much of the new job growth. They have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years. (SBA.gov)

So what is holding back the economy???

#1. RED TAPE: Business growth ground to a halt because you hit small business with a major headache like Obamacare and that blasted 1099 red tape nightmare. That is just one of many many regulation nightmares businesses have to go through.

All you have to do is search "Small business Red Tape"

There is an even bigger mess that has to be cleaned up. "FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS"


WTO, NAFTA and CAFTA all did away with the tariffs that protected US workers from international competition.

As long as US workers are directly competing with workers in third world countries working at slave wages and without all of the US regulations and cost of living expenses we have no hope of a recovering economy.

The largest employer in the US is the Federal Government followed by Wally Mart, Kelly Temp Services and McDonalds. linky

On top of that Our Education sucks "we're at the bottom of the heap, outperforming only two countries, Cyprus and South Africa. " According to one article I read our high tech positions are now being filled by workers from India and China and of course our lower end jobs are being filled by Latinos, all of whom have better work ethics and are willing to work for lower wages.


...In 2000, 28 percent of all freshmen entering a degree-granting institution required remedial coursework...

Surveys of corporations consistently find that businesses are focused outside • the U.S. to recruit necessary talent. In a 2002 survey, 16 global corporations complained that American schools did not produce students with global skills. United States companies agreed. The survey found that 30 percent of large U.S. companies “believed they had failed to exploit fully their international business opportunities due to insufficient personnel with international skills.” One respondent to the survey even noted, “If I wanted to recruit people who are both technically skilled and culturally aware, I wouldn’t even waste time looking for them on U.S. college campuses.” www.edreform.com...


Congress has a lot to do and it means SLASHING the budget, DISMANTLING the BUREAUCRACY, and TRASHING the free trade treaties.



The easiest part is coming up with a decent budget.

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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Not to derail the tread but I sincerely doubt that "those loans" will do anthing but increase the size of government and encourage regulatory agaencies to promulgate regulations that in effect enact laws that firther stifle the public sector.


I Think he's got it!


But as I said it is a combination of regulations AND "Free Trade Treaties" (not tax on imported goods)

EDIT TO ADD:

There is the ANSWER folks

TAX IMPORTS NOT WAGES

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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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The Fed's ability to print money out of thin air has completely undermined our political and economic systems. It has enabled government to spend beyond its means, promoted it's own power, and contributed mightily to special interest group driven policies and politics.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed


Until the Federal Reserve is closed down, the problem will never be solved.


HEAR HEAR!!!!

I could not have said it better my self sir/madam.

I tip my hat.

Anyone who is on this site who has not yet read The Secrets of the Federal Reserve needs to do so immediately.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Grimbone


Why we continue to let them play by a different set of rules is beyond me.


It's really quite clear actually.

Our government is at the mercy of the London connection. They are the Banking House of Rothschild and in the US they are known as The Federal Reserve.

Woodrow Wilson signed into law, a bill which was drafted by Paul Warburg (Rothschild rep) on december 23 1913.


It gave the House of Rothschild the power over our country which you still see today.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by robyn
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The Fed's ability to print money out of thin air has completely undermined our political and economic systems. It has enabled government to spend beyond its means, promoted it's own power, and contributed mightily to special interest group driven policies and politics.



It seems the central bankers plan to install a NON-ELECTED World Government in 2025. That is why they are starting to collapse the US of A and the EU now. It is sort of a controlled demolition.

Very good article outlining actual plan: www.lewrockwell.com...

ALSO SEE:
GLOBAL GOVERNANCE and the World Trade Organization - by the directer of WTO: Article - Of What Use is Global Governance? | The Global Journal

Global Governance 2025 | Atlantic Council

Globa l Governance 2025 Planned by US & EU Intelligence Agencies Document Obtained Thru FOIA. You may read this September 2010 report, courtesy of our Freedom of Information Act, at cia.g ov.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Anyone who is on this site who has not yet read The Secrets of the Federal Reserve needs to do so immediately.


I will second that but add, if you want a shorter read try: The Creature from Jekyll Island, The Federal Reserve, talk by G. Edward Griffin

Also do not miss the 1930's speeches of my favorite Congressman
Congressman McFadden's Speech before the Attempts on His Life, Part 1
Congressman McFadden's Speech before the Attempts on His Life, Part 2

That guy could really blast them out of their seats!





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