The Undebunkable Video: Eliminate The Impossible

Originally posted by ANOK


Steve Anderson
Gary Bauer
Deb Anlauf
Sean Boger
Donald Bouchoux
James R. Cissell
Michael DePaula
Mike Dobbs
Bruce Elliott
Walker Lee Evey
Kim Flyler
Asework Hagos
Joe Harrington
Albert Hemphill
Terrance Keen

Just a few....

You need to check your facts, none of those people saws a plane IMPACT the pentagon.

Again the impact point was not visible due to temporary dirt mounds. Pay attention to the details.

There was a mound of dirt between Sean Boger and the impact point ?

Do you Truthers ever get tired of being wrong ?

Originally posted by ANOK


You need to do better than one questionable witness.

Her lies have been exposed....

You asked for one witness I gave you one witness and now you complain because I gave one witness.

She has been called a liar by the Truth movement, But they call everyone liars even other members of the truth movement.

You do know that the truther that made that interview, Jeff Hill, has come to the conclusion that AA 77 really did hit the Pentagon. Him and CIT have been calling each other liar liar liar for the last few months over it.

So what exactly is it you think Penny lied about ?

Do you ever get tired of being wrong ?

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by TupacShakur
[ Gee, I don't know, maybe because the official story is flawed in so many places? Maybe because of reasons 1 through 13 in this thread:

Read through that, and tell me how you can possibly still trust the official investigation.

Why didn't any one here explosions in the moments just prior to the collapse ?
Why didn't any one see explosions in the moments just prior to the collapse ?

just examples

also, seismographic proof available, that is linked to underground explosions. Already posted somewhere, but i can post it again

Originally posted by waypastvne
You asked for one witness I gave you one witness and now you complain because I gave one witness.

No you gave me one questionable witness, and didn't even bother to show what you claim she said.

She has been called a liar by the Truth movement, But they call everyone liars even other members of the truth movement.

Hmmmmm I understand that, but my point was YOU ignore witnesses, so don't accuse others of the same, OK?

You do know that the truther that made that interview, Jeff Hill, has come to the conclusion that AA 77 really did hit the Pentagon. Him and CIT have been calling each other liar liar liar for the last few months over it.

I really don't care.

So what exactly is it you think Penny lied about ? Do you ever get tired of being wrong ?

If the witnesses who contradict the flight path are right, and no one has yet proved them wrong, then she is either a plant, an unfortunate dupe, or mistaken.

I find it odd that you support this one witness, but ignore more witnesses that contradict her. You are the one who is wrong if you really want to play that game. Her statement, however much you think, is not proof of anything. You OSer seem to think you debunk one small point and you've debunked the whole debate.

Want to discuss the physics, because there is far more evidence there that the OS is lies than any witness statements. As far as witnesses they prove nothing for either side of the discussion. They only cause more confusion imo.

Jeff Hills new video of pentagon eyewitnesses who saw the plane hit. Made after he stopped being a full blown, foaming at the mouth, stark raving mad Truther.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by ANOK


You need to do better than one questionable witness.

Her lies have been exposed....

You asked for one witness I gave you one witness and now you complain because I gave one witness.

She has been called a liar by the Truth movement, But they call everyone liars even other members of the truth movement.

You do know that the truther that made that interview, Jeff Hill, has come to the conclusion that AA 77 really did hit the Pentagon. Him and CIT have been calling each other liar liar liar for the last few months over it.

So what exactly is it you think Penny lied about ?

Do you ever get tired of being wrong ?

her testimony:


'Statement from Penny Elgas
Personal Experience At The Pentagon on September 11, 2001
By Penny Elgas

I had an early appointment on September 11th, so I drove to work later than usual. I work at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation near the White House. I headed north on 1-395 to DC from my home in Springfield, Virginia and I entered the highway a little after 9am so that I could take the High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) express lane. As usual, traffic was very heavy and after I exited I-95, I found myself stuck in late morning rush hour traffic -- almost in front of the Pentagon. For most of my drive I had been totally focused on my radio and was extremely aware of the events that were unfolding in New York. Even though the radio reporters were cautious, I was already convinced from the first strike that it was not just an unfortunate pilot error. However, I felt that New York was under attack and I couldn't have imagined what would unfold in front of me.

Traffic was at a standstill. I heard a rumble, looked out my driver's side window and realized that I was looking at the nose of an airplane coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station that I never knew was there. My first thought was “Oh My God, this must be World War III!”

In that split second, my brain flooded with adrenaline and I watched everything play out in ultra slow motion, I saw the plane coming in slow motion toward my car and then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport. In the nano-second that the plane was directly over the cars in front of my car, the plane seemed to be not more than 80 feet off the ground and about 4-5 car lengths in front of me. It was far enough in front of me that I saw the end of the wing closest to me and the underside of the other wing as that other wing rocked slightly toward the ground. I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes. And I remember thinking that it was just like planes in which I had flown many times but at that point it never occurred to me that this might be a plane with passengers.

In my adrenaline-filled state of mind, I was overcome by my visual senses. The day had started out beautiful and sunny and I had driven to work with my car's sunroof open. I believe that I may have also had one or more car windows open because the traffic wasn't moving anyway. At the second that I saw the plane, my visual senses took over completely and I did not hear or feel anything -- not the roar of the plane, or wind force, or impact sounds.

The plane seemed to be floating as if it were a paper glider and I watched in horror as it gently rocked and slowly glided straight into the Pentagon. At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring. At that point, the wings disappeared into the Pentagon. And then I saw an explosion and watched the tail of the plane slip into the building. It was here that I closed my eyes for a moment and when I looked back, the entire area was awash in thick black smoke.

I was not sure what to do next. Everyone started to emerge from their cars and, with looks of horror and disbelief, many began to beg for cell phones to call 911, to call family, or to call the story in to their newspapers. I continued to listen to the radio and everything was still about the events in New York. I was absolutely convinced that another plane was headed our way because there had been two planes at the World Trade Center and I felt that we were all sitting ducks on that road. I wanted the traffic to turn around. I didn't know what else to do so I got out of my car and ran back toward the highway yelling "Go Back! They just hit the Pentagon!" But of course, no one could move in any direction because traffic was at a standstill. A young woman in her 20's from the car in front of me was standing in front of my car and was visibly distraught and said she didn't know what to do. I told her that she was could come sit with me in my car for awhile and then I went to my car and started throwing everything from the front seat into the back seat to make room for her. I remember momentarily thinking that something was odd about the stuff as I tossed it back, but I didn't focus on it. Just then, a rather large man (from the regular traffic lanes) in a light tan military uniform bellowed to everyone within earshot. "Get Back In Your Car!!" So we did.

Then I became aware of people streaming out of the back side of the Pentagon and congregating on the sidewalks. It appears it was only a minute or two after the impact because they weren't yet looking at the crash site and seemed perplexed as to why they were outside. Perhaps only a few minutes lapsed from the actual time of impact to the time when someone was yelling at the traffic to "Go! Go! Go!" But it seemed like an eternity. As I began to drive, I heard a crunching sound (like driving on gravel) and I saw a piece of metal on the road about the size of a softball (it looked like a small conveyer belt-like roller with pins.) I remember thinking that I could puncture my tires - but in that same thought, I vowed to keep driving, even if I had to ride home on the tire rims. As the car moved slowly forward in traffic, I realized that I was still headed toward my office and I absolutely did not want to go there - my office is on Pennsylvania Avenue, just a few doors down from the White House.

So I made my way across the lanes of traffic and instead, I exited into the Pentagon's parking lot. I circled around to the right and came out under the road that I had just been on -- headed toward I-66 West. It was then that I realized that my car seemed to be shaking and I thought that perhaps I had punctured a tire. It also seemed that my car was moving extremely slow and that I might be stuck in 2nd gear. I looked down at the gearshift and confirmed that it was in "Drive". Then I looked up at my speedometer - and I was flabbergasted to find that I was traveling at over 80 mph and it felt as if I was not moving at all. My car tires were okay, but my little Dodge Neon was shaking because I never pushed it that fast before. I realized that I was still feeling the effects of the adrenaline rush and I forced myself to slow down.

As I drove, I remember being frustrated and thinking that everyone else on the road looked too normal and too unaware of the atrocity that had just unfolded in front of me. I turned off I-66 and when I reached the corner of Glebe Rd and Columbia Pike, I hear a terrible explosive noise (which I later was told was the sonic boom of our fighter jets). I thought it was evidence of another attack. Traffic stopped and people poured out of stores and cars and homes to look up to the sky. I turned on the radio to find out what happened, and heard that a WTC tower had collapsed. So I pulled over to the side of the road to catch my breath and sobbed for all the lives lost and for what seemed to me at that time like the beginning of the end. I turned south onto Columbia Pike and headed home - stopping once to attempt to use a pay phone, but all lines were busy. As I drove farther from the crash sight, emergency vehicles continued to zoom past me toward Arlington, Virginia and the Pentagon.

A Second Shock...

When I arrived home, I turned on every radio and TV in the house -- I'm not sure whether I was trying to drown out my thoughts or whether I was just hungry for news. I made a cup of tea to calm my nerves and called my husband to let him know that I was okay. I told him that there was a piece of the plane in my car, but for some reason, I couldn't deal with it just yet. I also called my son at college to reassure him that I was okay. Apparently, I made several cups of tea that I don't remember making because later that day I found four sopping teabags lined up on my kitchen counter. I believe now, that I was operating on “auto-pilot” and was probably in shock for much of that day. At some point I opted for quiet and turned off all the noise except the radio in my kitchen. Then I went to my car and faced that piece of the plane that was in the back seat. It appeared to be a piece of the tail. There was no metal on it and it was very lightweight -- all plastic and fiberglass. It was 22" long and 15" wide. I have no idea how it got into my car because I do not remember seeing any rubble flying around while I was at the crash site. I assume that it dropped in through the sunroof or flipped in through a window. The plane piece consisted of a layer of white paint, and layers of yellow and gray fiberglass as well as a thin brown corrugated material.

I gingerly picked up the piece and carried it into the house. As I entered the kitchen, I heard the radio announcer on WMAL state that it was an American Airlines flight and I thought to myself, "I knew that." But then the announcer said that is was Flight number 77 and he stated the number of passengers and crew and it hit me hard that the planes had been full of innocent victims. The radio announcer said that they were taking calls from people who had a personal experience to share. I dialed the station. I remember that I told them that I was "Penny from Springfield" and that I had a piece of the plane. The next thing I knew, I was on the air and Chris Core said "Penny from Springfield, What did you see?" I don't remember any of the rest of our conversation and coworkers who heard it said it was somewhat incoherent. The only thing that I remember is that at the end, Chris Core said, "How weird is that?" And I remember thinking that his comment didn't make me feel any better.

As you could imagine, I was in no shape to work the next day so I stayed home with my husband. All day on September 12th, I sat glued to the television and overdosed on horrible replays from New York and DC/Arlington. At one point, I unconsciously barricaded myself in a mound of sofa cushions and that's when I realized that I needed to find some mental relief. I talked to several coworkers and to a counselor from our Corporation's counseling program, as well as to family and friends. I wasn't too keen about returning to work, but I had a major project to roll out and I just kept telling myself that I would not let the terrorists succeed in terrorizing me further. I returned to the office on September 13th with several rolls of red, white and blue ribbon and a supply of pins. I began to make multi-colored ribbon loops and pinned them to the bulletin board outside my office with a note that they were available for anyone that wanted to wear one. On that day and the next, I posted over 160 ribbons and it was helpful to me to see them worn by so many.

On the One-Month Anniversary, October 11, 2001, my co-workers and I were still felt traumatized by the events of one month ago. I invited them to come to my office to watch the commemorative ceremony in New York via CNN on my computer. It was then that we learned of the Pentagon Memorial service planned for later that morning. A co-worker, Victoria Hebert, and I decided that we must attend it. We knew that it would be a heavily guarded event, and we didn't think that we would be able to crash it, but we felt compelled to try and get as close to it as possible. We left the office around 10:00 am for the 11:00 am service. We took the Metro to the Pentagon station and surfaced right up into the Pentagon Parking Lot. The event was held on the side of the building opposite the damaged side. We followed a few people that were in the parking lot and we were stopped at several checkpoints by armed military personnel but were always allowed to proceed toward the River Parade Area.

It was both unsettling and reassuring to see all the military personnel in their battle fatigues with guns drawn and machine guns strapped to their backs, standing atop HumVees and other military vehicles. The most unnerving view was later during the services, when we saw FBI personnel patrolling the riverside behind the bleachers -- with large guns drawn. One of FBI agents was dressed in black from head-to-toe with a tight black hood pulled over his head that showed only two white circles for his eyes.

There, we headed to the seating area reserved for ticketed guests. We passed through the metal detectors, but we were turned away when we couldn't produce a ticket. Fortunately, they directed us to seating that was set aside for the public in the grassy area just below. There were chairs, bleachers, large-projection screens and an excellent sound system. We chose seats at the top of the bleachers and from that vantage point we could see the roofline of the Pentagon with its large flag draped down from the top (and armed snipers walking along the roof).

We visited the "wall" of American Heroes which was a three-panel board containing the names of each of the dead from the Pentagon disaster and an obituary for each. It was at this wall that Milegro Arcega of the local NBC news interviewed us. Mr. Arcega and his cameraman were extremely respectful. The interview was not aired, but it was another opportunity for us to express our anguish and to heal.

The Pentagon memorial service was very moving and personally very helpful. My co-worker and I were so glad that we were able to be a part of it. After the service, we made our way to the other side of the building, through the parking lot and up onto the grassy embankment not far from where my car had been on the morning of September 11th. Victoria and I climbed up the embankment with reverence, but I was unprepared for the overwhelming anguish that I would experience when I turned around and viewed the gashed building again in the sunlight, for the first time since September 11th. God Bless America! '


later she admitted she picked it up...didn't fall through the sunroof. The position of her car is also questioned. She didn't see the airplane hitted a lightpole....just presumed. And, isn't it weird she could keep that evidence?

Again, where are the wings of the airplane after the impact? The impact hole is smaller than the total length from wingtip to wingtip? And FFS, the only security camera at the Pentagon is missing a lot of frames...very questionable....no plane in sight, sir, no plane in sight

reply to post by bing0


Do I believe that 19 Muslim extremists (without the direct aid and knowledge of the US government) hijacked four airliners and flew three of them into buildings that day? Yes

Do I believe everything the government has said about the subject? Nope. But, where my beliefs differ from the Government version, is largely meaningless.

reply to post by vipertech0596


thank you

reply to post by ANOK


Deb Anlauf..., was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel [located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon.

various sources


She was on the 14th floor....that must have been SOME dirt mound to block her view.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by ANOK

 

Deb Anlauf..., was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel [located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon.

various sources


She was on the 14th floor....that must have been SOME dirt mound to block her view.

taken from cassiopaea.org...

'In this article I did not find the details of observation needed to pinpoint the object seen as a B 757 and # 77. This is not to discredit the report or observation it just means that it can not be used as strong evidence.'
'The time 8:40 a.m.is given by the reporters. Deb Anlauf says she left for her room shortly before 9:30 a.m. Since the hotel is only one building and there are elevators it has probably taken less than 5 minutes to get to the room and certainly not 10-15 minutes. In several of the articles one finds traces of the journalists helping the witnesses give the right picture including the right aeroplane. Here it is the right time, the one the majority of articles reported.

'Concerning the claim she makes that the object was so close that she felt like she could almost touch it there are some reasons why this is not so unless there were two objects or there was a bridging of two variant realities with the object in one reality passing by the Hotel, and in the other clipping some lamppost to the South along 395. I do not know how much of 4th density is available around the Pentagon. But to give a perspective of how far she was I went to study some photographs available from other sites but embedded in one post in the Introduction on page 1 or 2. There are maps with the two possible trajectories that of Deb Anlauf and William Middleton Sr, and that of the clipped lampposts. The angle difference is 20 degrees, or the equivalent of 3 minutes and 20 seconds on an old fashioned round wrist watch. If the distance to the Pentagon is about a mile we have that the distance to the other path from the position of the hotel is approximately 20/360 x 2 x 22/7 x 1mile = 44/126 of a mile which is again about 1/3 of mile or 536 meters, so in fact the two paths are quite apart even if the distance to the Pentagon is only half, Deborah Anlauf would be too far away to be able to really touch the object.'



taken from www.911-strike.com...

'From a distance of 1.6 miles, looking into the morning sun, we are not sure whether Deb Anlauf could have distinguished between an actual impact, and the magic show we propose. (If only we could see the Sheraton's security video....) '


probably she had seen something, but on that distance? (And, her uncle works for the Navy at the Pentagon)

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by ANOK

 

Deb Anlauf..., was in her 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel [located 1.6 mile from the explosion], (immediately west of the Navy Annex) when she heard a "loud roar": Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window. You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon.

Another questionable witness. She was over a mile and half away, I doubt she could be sure of what she thought she saw.

How do you know that she actually saw the impact, or just surmised that it hit because she saw an explosion? Or came to that conclusion after the fact like Elgas did with the light poles?

Your witness claims are no more credible than any other witness, no matter the source of that witness. Trying to use them as evidence of facts is not going to get you too far.

reply to post by ANOK


Moving the goalposts again. Typical. You asked for the name of one person who saw the impact, I gave you a list and now you are trying to say that one of them did not see what she said she did. Mile and a half has little to do with anything. Next time you are in a tall building, go to the window and see how far you can still identify objects.

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More character assassination? Her uncle works at the Pentagon? So what.

dp removed

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by bing0

 

More character assassination? Her uncle works at the Pentagon? So what.

you are not the only one who can question everything!! For someone who believes in foreign hijackers who can barely fly a big airplane, but does not believe the official story, you are doing much efforts to put us down, or distract us?!

i also want proof, not just 'some' witnesses. There are at least 3 cameras on the same side at the Pentagon that probably have filmed the impact, or the airplane. From locations nearby, several camera's have been removed, and FBI has still several tapes of that moment in their hands. And this is all normal to you? Only some frames are shown, officially, after all those years, and a part cut out......doesn't that make you wonder at all?

you dare to question us......you should question them!

also, at the Pentagon, i think the power of mental suggestion was active, but that's a side note, and mpo

reply to post by vipertech0596

Steve Anderson
Gary Bauer
Deb Anlauf
Sean Boger
Donald Bouchoux
James R. Cissell
Michael DePaula
Mike Dobbs
Bruce Elliott
Walker Lee Evey
Kim Flyler
Asework Hagos
Joe Harrington
Albert Hemphill
Terrance Keen

Just a few....

OK, but we have two police officers that witnessed the airplane pass directly overhead. They were underneath a gas station, and the plane passed on the side opposite of where it should have if it really would have damaged the light poles on the highway.

Why is is that the firemen who judged the damage to WTC 7 are so crucial in backing up a natural collapse, but two police officers doing something as simple as seeing whether something went on one side or another are irrelevant? Which in your opinion is more difficult: judging the structural integrity of a 47 story, 81 column building, or seeing which side of a gas station an airplane is on?

reply to post by TupacShakur


The firemen had hours to determine the condition os the building. The policemen had seconds to determine the position of the plane,

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by ANOK

 

Moving the goalposts again. Typical. You asked for the name of one person who saw the impact, I gave you a list and now you are trying to say that one of them did not see what she said she did. Mile and a half has little to do with anything. Next time you are in a tall building, go to the window and see how far you can still identify objects.

It's not a point of identifying objects, it's seeing the plane IMPACT the pentagon. You can not know that she actually saw the IMPACT, or assumed it because she saw a plane and a big explosion from 1.6 miles away.

But again though you really missed the point I was trying to make. Regardless of what one questionable witness says there are other witnesses that contradict those claims, my point was your selective use of witnesses.
So if you can't accept other credible witnesses, then we should throw out all witnesses, and simply focus on the physical evidence of which there is plenty.

reply to post by waypastvne

The firemen had hours to determine the condition os the building. The policemen had seconds to determine the position of the plane,

In a few seconds, something as epic as an airplane passing 20 feet over a gas station would be pretty memorable. There is no way that two police officers could both forget what side it was on.

Originally posted by bing0

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by bing0

 

you are not the only one who can question everything!! For someone who believes in foreign hijackers who can barely fly a big airplane, but does not believe the official story, you are doing much efforts to put us down, or distract us?!

i also want proof, not just 'some' witnesses. There are at least 3 cameras on the same side at the Pentagon that probably have filmed the impact, or the airplane. From locations nearby, several camera's have been removed, and FBI has still several tapes of that moment in their hands. And this is all normal to you? Only some frames are shown, officially, after all those years, and a part cut out......doesn't that make you wonder at all?

you dare to question us......you should question them!

You should do a little bit more research into their piloting skills. Hani Hanjour's last instructor says that in his professional opinion, Hani's skills were MORE than adequate for him to have piloted Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

Then its back to the videos in the hands of the FBI....of which they have ALL been gone through and the ones that show ANYTHING have been released...unless of course you are going to accuse the FBI as being in on it.

As for my "questions" about the "official story".....those aren't really questions, its just knowing that our government was (is) woefully unprepared for such an attack like we saw that day and that a lot of government officials worked hard to cover their asses in the aftermath. The picture of the organized, fairly rapid response, was a far cry from the chaos that actually occured.