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Pentagon Warning Order: Prepare For WAR!

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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by babybunnies
China will not get involved in any war on a military basis.

Any action taken by China will be purely economic (crash the dollar) or cyber (attack US online capabilities)

US will be crippled before a shot is even fired.

Why do you think there will always be a 1 way attack?

People often forget that the SuperPower status has a meaning upto certain extent despite the economic turmoil.


The only reason I'm inclined to believe the man would be the fact that the U.S. economy is FAR more valuable to China than the amount of oil they receive from Iran. The other half of the argument revolves around the U.S. advanced warfighting capabilities when compared to China. If we're stopping short of a mainland invasion (which we would be), China is about 20 years and a whole lot of scrap metal away from wanting to/being able to mess with us in force-on-force conflict.

As others have mentioned, we have been getting advanced warning of an Israeli led attack on Iran for well over 5 years now. Most have come from "credible" sources. Due to Israel's constant defensive and offensive posture, I don't think you can point to a specific military build-up as solid evidence.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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For several years now, people in the know, have been predicting war with Iran.

It hasn't happened.

I do think that this would be a big war with lots of death and destruction and in the end, nothing will be accomplished.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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I'm sure many tried to avoid WW2, but Hitler was too psycho for that. Where were his meds?

Humans get caught up in life. They get so stuck in it that they end up fighting eachother.

Republicans vs Democrats. Law vs Crime. White vs Black. Science vs Religion. Etc.

Not to mention the paranoid leaders opposing each other, scheming for power.

What if all of this is an illusion? Is it really worth dying for?

If I was god looking down on earth, I think I'd get bored fast unless it was just for role-playing.

It's human nature. War happens and we're bound to have another big one eventually anyway.

Like clockwork. Up and down. Gravity. Off and on. The humans are fighting again.
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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Remember - Daniel Ellsberg and The Pentagon Papers? Is this going to be ...more of the same? Please read the link.

www.ellsberg.net...



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
 

I'm sure many tried to avoid WW2, but Hitler was too psycho for that.

Humans get caught up in life. They get so stuck in it that they end up fighting eachother.

Republicans vs Democrats. Law vs Crime. White vs Black. Science vs Religion. Etc.

It's human nature. War happens and we're bound to have another big one eventually anyway.


If we have failed here to advance beyond the human animal, to think beyond ourselves and our imaginary lines in the dirt, our marked territories, our dominance over others, our racial, religious, ideological and cultural differences, then perhaps world war would be a good thing, along with a very large population reduction.



Let the games begin!



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by nekomata111

Originally posted by Curio
I base this on a few facts. Fact 1: Israel can't live with a nuclear Iran - period. Fact 2: Israel can't do this alone, but the US population won't support another war without good reason. Fact 3: That's how Israel operates.


how can't Israel live with nuclear Iran, yet all other countries in middle east has to live with a nuclear Israel?

Israel existence will be a footnote in history books a few centuries from now, no smallish country surrounded by enemies lasted long, no matter the military power.


You answered your own question


Israel is surrounded by enemies - but they have nukes to keep them at bay. That's what creates the balance. As soon as one of their enemies develops nukes then the scales tip - especially as Iran will no doubt share the technology with other enemies. So Israel will never let that happen - or, as you say, they won't be there in the future.....in their mind, anyway.

Imagine living on hostile land, surrounded by enemies with spears and arrows. But you have a machine gun. You're safe until one of them gets their own gun.....then you're finished. Simple analogy, but essentially sums it up.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by jonnywhite
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I'm sure many tried to avoid WW2, but Hitler was too psycho for that.

Humans get caught up in life. They get so stuck in it that they end up fighting eachother.

Republicans vs Democrats. Law vs Crime. White vs Black. Science vs Religion. Etc.

It's human nature. War happens and we're bound to have another big one eventually anyway.


If we have failed here to advance beyond the human animal, to think beyond ourselves and our imaginary lines in the dirt, our marked territories, our dominance over others, our racial, religious, ideological and cultural differences, then perhaps world war would be a good thing, along with a very large population reduction.



Let the games begin!

Thing is, it's hard to live in this world and have one foot in the other. That's why it's so easy for people to get caught up in everything and then before you know it they're fighting again. The more real this world is, the more you feel the pain, the walls, the more you feel the joy. What can we do. How can we live in the real world and still nurture the part of us that's not of this world?

Imagination is nice to have but if you're not being fed, sheltered, and so on, you're dead.
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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
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Why would Russia Oppose? They will make money selling their oil. Only thing they have coming from Iran is Money to build Nuclear Power Stations. China definitely needs the oil so they might support with equipment.


If Israel moves in on Iran, the US will be backing Israel. This means that the oil will go to US companies and Russia loses out even more, as with Iraq and Libya. There is also the balance of hegemonic power in the region and Russia has no desire to be boarder by Israel / America, same with India and China. The fracture of Russian western states to the EU is more than enough and this is being done mainly through diplomatic and not military channels.

Russia and Iran currently have a lot of trade and other agreements in operation, as all nations do. From my understanding, if Iran strikes first then Russia will stay out, but if Iran is attacked then Russia will step in. These are complex and dynamic relationships and I may be wrong, but would like to see some sources if this is the case.

Russia opposed even during Iraq war. However at times it seems it makes noise for the sake of it. Not sure if all the amount owed by Iraq to Russia was received by Russians but didn't hear a single word after the War was started in 2003. Diddo with Iran where initial opposition turned into possible suspiscion against Iran and its Nuclear Activities. There are several links right here on ATS and outside but I'm sure if you google it, it will be there.

Anyway. Lets see what happens (if it happens)



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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I'm on the fence on this issue. It's plausible, like it was months ago, like it was in many other WW3 predictions.

The region is unstable, so looking at it from afar, at any given point, is plausible to assume it could all blow over tomorrow. It's possible, it's just a matter of who pulls the trigger first, wether on purpose or not.

However, there is something that people continuously talk about and mention, like it is a sure thing:

People often talk about China/Russia/Iran's/other nations capability to invade, or to strike, or to participate in a World War.

First of all, a World War is a major event, if not the biggest event any civilization can witness. That means that extreme, exceptional and important measures are put into place in such a situation. Factories that make toys will be converted to making bombs and ammunition. Unemployed people will be put to work into all sorts of military factories. The development of new technologies (aimed at warfare) are speeded up, yada yada yada.

That means that a country that isn't really ready for war now, can be within a few months.

Videogames, movies and the current way of life shaped the way people think, and everyone assumes that things happen from today to tomorrow. They don't.

Don't compare a war like we have seen in the last few decades with a World War. It's very, very different, to everyone, in and out of the conflict. And it isn't something to last months or days, like the confrontation of Lybia (the first wave of attacks). It's something that will last for years, and lets hope, not decades.

Second, for those who relax back and say "China/Russia is years from having a navy/air force that can face the US"... You're wrong.

Both Russia and China are stepping up their game at a very alarming pace of warfare development. China is enthusiastic with its new aircraft carriers and subs (which already have displayed some strength in the recent years), plus the new UAV technology and their new jet fighters/bombers. Russia is right behind them, if not aside them.

Add to that the fact that China has a new tank, which is the marvel of their leaders eyes, being labelled as a "M1 killer", and I think there are enough reasons for people being CAUTIOUS about how analyze the power of the sting that China/Russia/allies can inflict.

But most importantly, I would like you to remember history.

The US, nearly sole responsible for the turn-around of advances during the WW2, was WEAK.

Lets not forget that the US navy was in shreds after the Pearl Harbor attack, only having aircraft carriers, some submarines and some old and outdated escorts.

The US, upon entering WW2, was not ready for war, and it wasn't in it's full power until further down the conflict. The major national effort that countries make, that I mentioned above, is what brought the hard fists of the US into scenario, and americans can state to this better than me.

So, make a thought exercise. If the US, after coming out of a economic crisis, was able to reshape itself, put effort into war and be powerful enough to turn around WW2 into the Allied side... What makes you think that China and Russia, pressing the button of "lets go to war", can't do the same, if not better and faster?

If China is believed to have a strong navy within 2 to 3 years (possibly 4 with sea trials), how can you be so sure to assume that in case war is declared, China won't be ready to attack at full potential, like the US did in WW2 in a matter of months?

Don't underestimate countries like China or Russia. Both are experts in war like the US, and both are on the rise. And by the way, we are talking about a country that made the Great Wall, who discovered powder, who made the first rocket and explosive, even had the primordial concept of a cruise missile, and who (according to some history experts) might have travelled to America decades before Columbus.

Oh, and by the way, recent reports state that nearly 25% of the US Navy is FAILING inspections. Just saying... Nothing is 100% sure, and it's when you consider your opponent weak that they inflict the most damage.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Combine that with Paetreas becoming head of the CIA and it's a gvien.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
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I don't know if there is any validity to this or not but I am personally sick and tired of war. People walk around living their daily lives in America, completely unaware or uncaring that across the globe people are running from bombs or holding their dead children. I know wars will always happen. Men with unchecked egos can't get their fill and people lack the courage to rise up against these arrogant men. Humanity openly accepts the fate we're quickly approaching.

As for Israel striking the match that brings on WW3 - it sounds about right. I'm sick of Israel counting on the U.S. to bail them out of every mess they get in. Why are we supporting that mooch of a nation in the first place? Aside from religious reasons
we have no business giving money to ANY nation. Israel can defend itself. If it writes a check it's ass can't cash, it should be their own fault. America should NOT get involved. Let them learn all about cause and effect. I say forget em!



So this is how WWIII starts?

Who the sides?

China,Russia,India,Pakistan and Iran?



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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I'd like to see a middle east where iran and israel learned to overcome all of this. I'd like to see us all survive without any casualities or wars. We've got so many other things to do in this universe. So much! But I know that what I want to see and what is are quite different things. I know that the mad passion people have and the cold reality of this world is like a jail cell and that we're destined to live this way for a good while. Nothing is free in this universe. The things that cause war are in everyone. But reality is a moving target, though.

I hope that we can move fast enough to outpace our prejudices and limitations. Just being a father is one of hte most difficult things one can do in life. Many haven't even achieved that. The things we do in this world and die for are several lifetimes worth of difficulties. There's a lot of stress and pain floating around. How can we relieve it is something we will probably figure out as we go and it's unlikely to change all that much until the fundamentals of our reality can changed altered in some way so that these macro-scale events aren't so influential.

My hope is that ther'es a god and everyone is forgiven. Maybe god will just shrug and say something like "Well, I tried but it's such a mess now. The poor things didn't have a chance." My dream is that if there is indeed a god that he or she gives everyone another chance somehow or that we at least get eternal rest from this conflicting life. But my soul tells me there's nothing and we just die and turn to dust and that these things are just the hills and valleys of this universe. There's no god to put a cap on top of it to sum it up. That's kind of sad, but if we can at least be rememberd somehow by future beings then that would bring some conclusion to this world.
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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Russia is also on board with Iran, and you forget that China is everyones friend. War with Iran will end with the US in flames and Israel beeing a thing of the past. Live by the sword and you may well die by it.


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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Again. The end if the world and WW3 has had about 4566788 dates now.......



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Astr0
The day I wake up and find that Israel has been wiped out in a multi country massive military strike backed by China and Russia I will poo bricks of joy.

A more two faced nation of totally self absorbed hypocrites (we Jews died in a holocaust and want 1000 years of self pitying whining sympathy but are happy to kill others in a holocaust to get our way)....

Feck it - Iran China and Russia for the win.


"poo bricks of joy"- best quote ever on ATS

I agree 100% with your assessment..but unfortunately when and if this does go down it will mean that the US and our kids in uniform will be once more put in harms way. The American Jewish bankers will demand retribution and since they own this country and it's leaders you can bet it will be the catalyst for WWIII and I fear it will be the world against the United States.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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S & F

An Interesting Find is the less i can say. I think TPTB will make the world go throughtout a world economic crash first to increase international tensions, probably around october this year.

With tensions on its highest, TPTB will order Israel to attack Iran by the end of 2012. It"s fascinating how things are taking place exacly like Thomas Henley /aka ProtoplasmicTraveler said in his All Roads Lead to Rome thread. Time will tell....probably sooner that we all tought...!

i'll keep an eye here to see if there is further development.

Tks



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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How are we as cash strapped as we are going to get involved with yet another conflict?

Not going to happen, 13 deadlines have come and gone without incident so why should this be any different?

Besides, continued and perpetual war in the middle east won't solve a thing and would erase all of the strives forward we have done over the last decade.

Israel's blood thirsty nature is now showing again and tell me again, aren't these people supposed to be "The Chosen Ones"? How could you say you are for God but continue to beat the drums of war? Hypocrites!
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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Israel has shown great restraint with Iran up to this point. The threats made by Iran against Israel certainly leave nothing to the imagination about what their intent is once they have nukes. I fully support Israel's right to preemptively defend itself.

Think if it this way: If you have a neighbor two houses down that hated you and threatened your life almost daily. That neighbor starts to build a huge trebuchet in his backyard with the stated intent that he's going to throw a boulder and destroy your house. Wouldn't you sneak over in the middle of the night and burn the trebuchet down so he can't follow through on this threats?

I know I would.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by BlueGargoyle
Israel has shown great restraint with Iran up to this point. The threats made by Iran against Israel certainly leave nothing to the imagination about what their intent is once they have nukes. I fully support Israel's right to preemptively defend itself.

Think if it this way: If you have a neighbor two houses down that hated you and threatened your life almost daily. That neighbor starts to build a huge trebuchet in his backyard with the stated intent that he's going to throw a boulder and destroy your house. Wouldn't you sneak over in the middle of the night and burn the trebuchet down so he can't follow through on this threats?

I know I would.


There has been no restraint, nowadays they know that if they pre-empt Tehran that they are on their own. It is Tehran who's shown massive restraint here. The last part of your post means you support Israel committing an act of terrorism inside Iran just to launch. Iran wants is what every Arab nation wants and demands, Israel acknowledge and recognize Palestine's right to exist. You ar enothing more then a hateful war mongerer.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
How are we as cash strapped as we are going to get involved with yet another conflict?

Not going to happen, 13 deadlines have come and gone without incident so why should this be any different?

Besides, continued and perpetual war in the middle east won't solve a thing and would erase all of the strives forward we have done over the last decade.

Israel's blood thirsty nature is now showing again and tell me again, aren't these people supposed to be "The Chosen Ones"? How could you say you are for God but continue to beat the drums of war? Hypocrites!
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Try living there. They're only doing what any human would likely do. It's human nature. If I were god I think i'd sit down and sigh and maybe think about ending turning the game off or just ending the show and telling everyone ti's time to put away the uniforms because the game is over. But I'm not god and I don't think ther's a god watching over us. There's just the hills and valleys and cosmic things we can't imagine. Nothing to bring a sense of conclusion. Nothing to bring sense to it. Just whatever it's. Whatever you think it's.




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