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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DZAG Wright
Our society is constructed that SOMEONE has to salt the fries and be homeless, it's how our society is made.
If we lived in a society where everyone could be rich, I wouldn't have any dog in the fight for the poor. However we do not live in such a society. If everyone went to school and obtained PHD's we'd still need someone to salt the fries.
This part I entirely agree with, and this is the problem with our education system. We try to raise everyone thinking they can get PhD's and not have to work for a living. We teach all the kids that they can be whatever they want to be. No they can't. It just isn't true, and it gives them a false sense of entitlement. The facts are, we are not all created equal. We have equal opportunity, but we don't have equal skills and talents. I will never be a pro basketball player or a famed artist.
Now, we are getting to the root problems! Some people have to salt the fries, but it is no reason to be homeless, or carry any stigma. Some of the most intelligent people I have known were car mechanics! Not everyone needs to go to college, some people need to learn their father's trade. Not everyone needs to move out and get their own home at 18, some need to stick around and help support the family. Not every family needs to be independent, some need the support of extended family in raising the kids, and taking care of the dishes, and mowing the yard.
If the society could get away from the expectations and stigmas and flat out lies that we tell our kids, then the society could see the benefit of people trying to do what they are good at, and trying to excel in that area! We don't need cookie-cutter education, some kids need to learn to fix cars at age 12, and by 16 they might be experts, and by 21 they might be making more money than their counterparts graduating college!
Some families need to remodel the mother-in-laws quarters, combine resources, and help one another raise up and live better lifestyles by cooperating!
Some political leaders need to tell the hard truths instead of pandering to pollsters.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DZAG Wright
You're right. There will still be a disparity in wealth, but perhaps the disparity will be less apparent. Ideally, I think we need as large of a middle class as possible, and historically the middle class has taken the vocational route. We need to grow the middle class and shrink the top and bottom. We need to rebuild the Bell Curve of wealth distribution.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
Some interesting data about the "poor" in America. Depite the news reports of America's poor living in shanty towns and tent cities, the reality is far different.
"Data from the Department of Energy and other agencies show that the average poor family, as defined by Census officials:
● Lives in a home that is in good repair, not crowded, and equipped with air conditioning, clothes washer and dryer, and cable or satellite TV service.
● Prepares meals in a kitchen with a refrigerator, coffee maker and microwave as well as oven and stove.
● Enjoys two color TVs, a DVD player, VCR and — if children are there — an Xbox, PlayStation, or other video game system.
● Had enough money in the past year to meet essential needs, including adequate food and medical care."
A few relevant statistics percentage of "poor" folks who have various items
65.1% have more than one TV - I had both my TUBE TVs given to me
63%.7 have cable or satellite TV - I have limited
54.5 have a cell phone - Given to me and paid for by my mom
49.3 have a non-portable stereo - Also GIVEN to me
38% have a PC - saved up for 5 months to buy a used Dell for $250
29.3% have internet service - Wifi is free these days...
29.3% have a video gaming system - All GIVEN to my daughter by a coworker
Lets not suggest that folks are not having difficulty maintaining their lifestyle during these economic hard times.
Lets stop with the nonsense that someone with two TVs, cable TV and video games is poor. These are the folks who receive tax payer subsidies, what the left calls a "safety net".
I doubt that most tax payers would consider satellite TVs and cell phones vital components of the social safety net. Most would consider food, medical care, clothes and housing a safety net.
Its time to call what the current debate is all about and that is about redistributionism and socialism. Is it any wonder that the minority of folks who pay the taxes in this country don't want to pay more?
Its about time we had an honest discussion about what the objectives of our social policy are really all about because the current one, the one we have employeed since the Great Society in the 60s has been plain old socialism. The debate today is all about how far we want to extend it.
edit on 19-7-2011 by dolphinfan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by strafgod
Don't look for small businesses to add "extra shifts" anytime soon. All you social entitlement proponents who were all over the new healthcare law are to thank for this. They will work the hell out of what they have so they don't have to hire new and face the new taxes that come with the new law.
I'm so sick and tired of the have-nots whining about spreading the wealth. Tough s**t! Make your OWN money and leave mine alone! Why should I work hard, pay for my own education so I can make more just so some lazy ass can demand they are entitled to some of it because they are too lazy to do the same? Sorry, but that dog don't hunt! You can call me whatever you want, but I earn my money and I intend to keep it! I don't give to charity unless 100% goes to the intended recipient. I have bought food for homeless people because giving them cash promotes drug/alcohol consumption and NOT nutrition. You want the state to take care of you then move to another country like Cuba and have at it!
Originally posted by Plotus
reply to post by LoneGunMan
That picture would paint something like places in Africa. And they are reaping what they have sewed. The world was created by God, and he directed what behavior would please or displease him, and often times with those who had abandoned all relationship with Him, he let go on their own to fend for themselves and bear the responcibility for their behavior and actions. Hence you have an epedemic of aids, fragmented families from fathers who live hedonistically.