Modern Poverty Includes A.C. and an Xbox

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by macman

 

isnt it amazing how things get twisted with time like the modern entitlement system

the grand idea was to help those less fortunate and it has now become paying for them cradle to grave

homes,schools,cloths,food,healthcare and the list goes on.

Neo , go and play with Charles Manson... we are talking here

While I think Neo has valid points in just about every statement made, that was a very funny retort.

reply to post by Janky Red


nope free country free site and free thread

when you get a moderator under you name then i might listen to you.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Repay for what?
All members in the service actually do work. Nothing was free as you make a 4-6 year initial commitment.
But, at least you show your true colors and your hatred for the Military shines through.

But I had to pay money to you, for something I did not want.

If you wanna go anfd shoot people do it, but don't steal my money to pay for it.

My family can defend itself just fine, I will defend it, you have perpetuated socialism more than I ever have.

I never took a dime of your money to put into my pocket

I paid taxes as well.
Who said I shoot people?
Who said I am involved in the current or recent conflict?
It has got to be embarrassing when all your assumptions are just wrong.

so you are saying that none of us here had to pay taxes to support your government sanction job and salary in the millitary?

reply to post by Janky Red


every single person benefits in more ways than one from the military spending.

aint noone dropping bombs on your head and aint noone driving tanks up your street

you can go buy food and put gas in your car.

and noone is benifiting from entitlement spending except those who get their monthly checks but the rest of us suffer from it.

reply to post by macman


My point is... I have to pay for all kinds of crap I don't want to support...

You know what I mean?

If I had to pay for ANYTHING, before public toilets even,

It would be to put food in a hungry persons belly, that would be #1 on my list

I accept that you have provided a great service, I have paid my taxes to support the military, but frankly
I would have rather spent that money first on helping people who need help.

Why do you get your way?

And my desire is evil?

do you think letting someone go hungry is rightious, I don't understand you, you are right.

So you are for the every man for himself form of existence? If you answer this as yes then everyone can conclude you're exempted from this conversation because you want mad-max style anarchy.

Having thought about this I will say yes. Would love to have a friend that flies a Gyro-copter, kill people for food and fuel, maybe fight in the Thunder Dome, kill a mentally handicapped guy that has a midget ride on his back and dance a little with Tina Turner.


Oh, and the cars. I would LOVE the car he drives. The motorcycles are awesome as well.

So yes, that is what I want. Mad-Max world.

reply to post by apacheman


that is an absolutely incoherent post.

How does some rich gent living in Montana get more from the Coast Guard than some dude living in a project in San Francisco?

How does an employer derive more value from a road than an employee or some gent on welfare? I'd argue that the gent on welfare derives more since he's totally dependant on the mail man to deliver him his monthly spiff taken from the tax payer.

As far as the Christian references, nice try. Sloth is one of the 7 deadly sins and much of what has been written in this thread is about a lack of desire to compensate folks for their sloth

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by macman

 

Macman, you plan on repaying me for what the military has given you?

That training was really expensive, and I resent you freeloading off the public for your healthcare, too.

Let's see: free training, free healthcare, free food, free housing...that's a LOT of mooching and freeloading if you ask me.

Repay for what?
All members in the service actually do work. Nothing was free as you make a 4-6 year initial commitment.
But, at least you show your true colors and your hatred for the Military shines through.

But I had to pay money to you, for something I did not want.

If you wanna go anfd shoot people do it, but don't steal my money to pay for it.

My family can defend itself just fine, I will defend it, you have perpetuated socialism more than I ever have.

I never took a dime of your money to put into my pocket

I paid taxes as well.
Who said I shoot people?
Who said I am involved in the current or recent conflict?
It has got to be embarrassing when all your assumptions are just wrong.

so you are saying that none of us here had to pay taxes to support your government sanction job and salary in the millitary?

Was waiting for that BS song and dance to come up.
Still worked while serving. Did a job. Earned a paycheck.
Come to think of it, I do believe it was during the time of Clinton reigning high supreme.
Did Clinton do something that you did not agree with???

Originally posted by Janky Red
reply to post by macman

 

My point is... I have to pay for all kinds of crap I don't want to support...

You know what I mean?

If I had to pay for ANYTHING, before public toilets even,

It would be to put food in a hungry persons belly, that would be #1 on my list

I accept that you have provided a great service, I have paid my taxes to support the military, but frankly
I would have rather spent that money first on helping people who need help.

Why do you get your way?

And my desire is evil?

do you think letting someone go hungry is rightious, I don't understand you, you are right.

edit on 21-7-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)

Another assumption that I did not help people.

reply to post by macman


My hatred for the military?

roflmfao...

I served seven years, mostly in the Far East, to the point where I consider any day no one's shooting at me a good one, no matter what else is involved.

I respect and honor the military in a way you obviously don't.

I understood that I was fighting to defend every American, rich or poor, lazy or hard-working, whether I liked them or not, because they were (and are) my fellow citizens.

Your kind of military is exemplified by an incident in an NCO club when my hippie brother came to visit me once.

A set of senior NCOs started making rude comments about his hair and such loud enough to make their disapproval of him known to all in earshot. After a few minutes of enduring escalating verbal abuse, I got up and addressed the senior NCO, asking him to verify for me that the point of why we were fighting was so Americans had the freedom to choose their own way of life. After a moment's silence he acknowledged the wrongness of the behavior and apologized. Had I not called him on it, they would have felt smugly justified in it though.

Are you an actual combat veteran?

If not, don't presume on rights, privileges and honors you haven't earned: you disgrace yourself and dishonor betters.

As a recipient of tax dollars taken from folks who really don't want to support the military, you have zero room to talk about your hard-earned money going for welfare. Your hard-earned money was hard-earned by others before you got it.

When I served, I understood and appreciated that fact.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Janky Red

 

every single person benefits in more ways than one from the military spending.

aint noone dropping bombs on your head and aint noone driving tanks up your street

you can go buy food and put gas in your car.

and noone is benifiting from entitlement spending except those who get their monthly checks but the rest of us suffer from it.

Did you miss what was already posted as an example of everyone benefiting from America having a safety net? I'll reintereate: You don't have scores of homeless harassing you every day for food and money. You don't have to hire your personal security to protect you because poor hungry people are trying to kill you. If you own a business you have educated and functional people to sell your products too as well as hire. It goes on and on...

reply to post by macman


You're simply flailing now...

Go ahead and rethink your position on society and return with a better understanding.

reply to post by dolphinfan


The rich gent in Montana who goes for a sail on vacation, you mean, or enjoys the Park system, or gets a subsidy for cattle ranching?

Without the roads, the employer would have a hard time getting people to work and the products delivered.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or is your understanding truly that lacking?

reply to post by DZAG Wright


yeah that $1000 check a month sure is a safety net and the government can take away any given time

not to mention withhold your cost of living raise for 2 years running and the prices of things continue to go up.

millions of americans are in for a rude awakening to find out hey they still have to work to get by.

and the rest anyone living on the government dime is living in poverty.

be glad tho that morality has worked out for so well for over 100 million people.

people just cant seem to fathom how many people in this country are dependents of the government

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by apacheman

 

that is an absolutely incoherent post.

How does some rich gent living in Montana get more from the Coast Guard than some dude living in a project in San Francisco?

How does an employer derive more value from a road than an employee or some gent on welfare? I'd argue that the gent on welfare derives more since he's totally dependant on the mail man to deliver him his monthly spiff taken from the tax payer.

As far as the Christian references, nice try. Sloth is one of the 7 deadly sins and much of what has been written in this thread is about a lack of desire to compensate folks for their sloth

This is too easy!

If China rolled up on the California coast to begin attacking America, the dude in the project has to do nothing but grab a few things (all he has) and bail. While the rich dude in Montana is in big trouble. He has a million dollar business that the Chinese army will eventually reach and possibly destroy. He has product that he has to distribute to continue making money, but can't because there is a war on our shores. The poor guy has nothing to lose, and may even welcome the break from slavery and oppression. The rich guy will despise having his wealth disappear over night and hiding behind the local poor people to hide him.

Your second retort shows that you're just flailing now but I'll play...

The employers wealth and livelihood is dependent upon good logistics. Without which....well he'd be just another welfare recepient himself. Welfare checks are no longer issued, the funds are electronically deposited on a EBT card. So the welfare customer doesn't have to go anywhere.

So yes, we people who have something to live for are FAR more dependent upon services such as good logistics and the military.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

yeah that $1000 check a month sure is a safety net and the government can take away any given time

not to mention withhold your cost of living raise for 2 years running and the prices of things continue to go up.

millions of americans are in for a rude awakening to find out hey they still have to work to get by.

and the rest anyone living on the government dime is living in poverty.

be glad tho that morality has worked out for so well for over 100 million people.

people just cant seem to fathom how many people in this country are dependents of the government

edit on 21-7-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

SURPRISE!!!!

Yes sir...as much as many people rail about the government....without it we would all be speaking German or Russian or Japanese. Without government it wouldn't be government taxes we'd be paying, we'd be paying the local warlord/crime boss who got too big and powerful for local law enforcement.

Who do you think it was who finally ended the reign of our historical mob boss', here's a hint, it wasn't local law enforcement! They were either on the payroll or not strong enough.

If we didn't have a strong central government we would be a modern version of Afrika. Fifty states (countries) all fighting over silly things while outside nations come in and rape our resources. Could you imagine if during WWII Texas joined the Allied forces? How does that sound? Silly right? I hope so! We would have all been speaking German with pictures and statues of Hitler everywhere.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


thats hilarious i dont see alot of americans speaking english where i live in fact they speak spanish.

warloards or crimelords that is what the us government has become.

blah.

Originally posted by Ladysophiaofsandoz
Maybe if we quit judging everyone else and helped each other out instead of pointing fingers we wouldn't need a government agency to do it for us. Problem is most people and most corporations do not to the right thing unless they HAVE to.

I know we could get Minute Men or some other private militia group to follow welfare recipients around to be sure they are not wasting hard earned tax dollars. They could stand at the checkout to approve purchases made with food stamps. We could encourage them to tell on any of their kind who are breaking the rules. Institute forced abortions and sterilizations to insure they aren't over breeding. Mandatory drug and breathalyzers for them all. We could force them to work. You know what would make it really easy to keep an eye on them if we rounded them all up and put them in some sort of camp. That way we would know for sure they wouldn't be taking advantage of the system. Wow I can't believe no one ever though of this before.

or

Maybe we work harder on buying American made items, punish companies who outsource by taking away their tax breaks, help out our friends and neighbors in times of need, and educate our children so they don't end up in prison or on the dole. I am sure there are a million ways to make it better without going in a really bad direction.

Judgement often leads down a road of hate one that sadly we have been down way too many times before. Really do any of you want to see AMERICAN babies dying of starvation covered in flies. Would it make it hard to smile and whistle "God Bless America" while your hanging out your American flag? Gee I hope so.

Bingo! Well said, but it won't compute with the "not my problem" mind.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

I keep forgetting you are in the UK. We have nursery school that is free after the kids reach age 4 or 5. When they are 4 it is called pre-K, and when they are 5 it is called Kindergarten. In pre-K it only runs from 7:55 a.m. to 12:00 for free. For a working single parent, they either have to have a family member or a paid babysitter to pick the kids up at noon. For Kindergarten and on up into Elementary school, it the school runs from 7:55 to 3:15. So, for a working single parent, they are still going to need someone else to pick up the kids after school.

There are many intact families where the parents can stagger their schedules and make it work. There are many people with extended family that can help out, but sadly there are also way too many families with no options except paying someone else.

My wife's sister and parents live here in our town, but her sister works full time and has a child of her own, her parents both work full time, and we both work full time. We are fortunate to be able to spread around the sick days and such. If the kids get sick, we can trade who it is that has to call in sick and stay home, that way nobody gets into trouble for missing too much work.

Not everyone even has that option, and I have had the misfortune of having to fire single mothers, because the missed too much work, because they were taking care of their kids. I currently have an employee that I feel extreme sympathy for. Her husband ran off, she doesn't have any friends or family in the area, the husband isn't paying child support, she can barely afford basic child support, and when the kids get sick, she has to miss work. She has several kids, and she has missed so much work, that she is about to lose her job. It will be my responsibility to face her and give her the bad news. She has already told me that she is on the verge of losing her home. I don't really have any choice in the matter, because it is my responsibility to make sure the work is getting done and the positions are filled, and in order to protect my job, I will eventually have to give hers to someone else.

The society is very, very broken, no doubt about that.

I guess it's just different. In the UK people manage for the first few years(with family, friends, neighbors), then it's nursery(which is like an introduction to school), then reception and then school.

But there is no costs involved for nursery or if the situation arose, anything before that. The local councils provide these services for no charge(well, taken from peoples tax money).

TBH the system is so familiar to me that I'm just shocked there's advanced and wealthy countries where it doesn't happen. The system in Britain works very well. For the first few years if needs be the government will financially support you so you can look after your child, then you find a job and your child starts early education(nursery).

I guess over there it would be considered a handout or scrounging from the system but British people on teh whole are happy to pay tax to support these services.

Originally posted by neo96
warloards or crimelords that is what the us government has become.

True, you just have to get the other half of the equation.

Originally posted by RRokkyy
The Rich are the Government.

The Rich is the Military, Pharmaceutical, Prison industrial complex paid
for by the middle class and poor.
Imperialist wars and drug wars
butter their bread.