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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman

Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman

Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
reply to post by edmc^2
 


c'mon man... it's clearly implying that man was created first... and even if one were to accept your twisted interpretation you're still left with the discrepancy of the wild beasts and the flying creatures being created in between Adam and Eve... where in the first account the animals were created prior to man and man and woman were created simultaneously...


in case you missed it the first time... since I didn't see a reply....


maybe the third post is the charm?


my apologies wearewatchingyouman - thanks for watching me - almost forgot bout this.

But after reading the creation account again in its entirety - I didn't see what you're talking about. But if I skip verses, it seems to be out of sequence - which leads me to believe why you're seeing it.

But to be sure please explain what you're talking 'bout - include the verses.

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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by edmc^2
Interesting - so do you believe that God will accept Muslims if they don't accept Jesus as the Savior?

“Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

What's ur take?


They do believe in Jesus as their savior, they think he was a prophet that died for their sins and will come again to judge them just like you do. I don't believe any of this stuff but I'm asking why you don't believe it since it fits your qualifications for being "infallible". You seem to be avoiding my question.

Why aren't you a Muslim if this is what you believe? The Koran was inspired by the same god as the first two testaments.
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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
reply to post by edmc^2
 


oh... and just out of curiousity... you are a Jehovah's Witness, right? Just because I want to know what your interpretation is.... It makes things simpler when I don't have to guess...
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sorry - i thought you knew:

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.

www.blueletterbible.org...


what's yours if you don't mind?



posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Genesis 1....fifth day God creates beast and flying creatures... sixth day God creates man and woman...

24 And God went on to say: “Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.” And it came to be so. 25 And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and the domestic animal according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind. And God got to see that [it was] good.

26 And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.


Genesis 2... God creates Adam and puts him in Eden... then creates beasts and flying creatures so man can name them... then creates Eve...

15 And Jehovah God proceeded to take the man and settle him in the garden of E´den to cultivate it and to take care of it. 16 And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

18 And Jehovah God went on to say: “It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.” 19 Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call it, each living soul, that was its name. 20 So the man was calling the names of all the domestic animals and of the flying creatures of the heavens and of every wild beast of the field, but for man there was found no helper as a complement of him. 21 Hence Jehovah God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place. 22 And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.


oh... and not to get off topic, because I don't want to make things too complicated for you, but verse 17 is where God becomes the father of the lie rather than the serpent... that is if you believe the bible to be infallible anyways...
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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by edmc^2

Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
reply to post by edmc^2
 


oh... and just out of curiousity... you are a Jehovah's Witness, right? Just because I want to know what your interpretation is.... It makes things simpler when I don't have to guess...
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sorry - i thought you knew:

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


Isa 43:11 I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.

www.blueletterbible.org...


what's yours if you don't mind?


I gathered as much, but wasn't sure if you were a practicing one who looked to the faithful and discreet slave for guidance, or one who just pretty much thought they were right and had his own views on certain things....

I don't really like boxes, but if you need one for me you can call me an agnostic theist....



posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Valid Q and an interesting one:



Why aren't you a Muslim if this is what you believe? The Koran was inspired by the same god as the first two testaments.


I guess I would say:

Primarily - i was born in a Christian country -in a Catholic family (in Asia) - no choice there since I was baptized when I a baby. But after studying the Scriptures (at age 18) - then I came to appreciate it as the Truth. After comparing the teachings of different "books" - I came to the conclusion that the Bible is the only word of God.

As for the Koran - I have not devoted much time to study it because I'm fully convinced that the Bible is the only word of God.

A comparative study between the two will show the superiority of the Bible unless you can prove otherwise.



posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Alright so what you're saying is that the Bible is the only true holy book because you think it is? That's a lot different than what you said in your OP.



posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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God didn't write the bible bro, man did...

Inspired or not it was not written by God

Its also interesting that you use several different versions of the bible to find what best suits your belief.




posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Nosred
reply to post by edmc^2
 


Alright so what you're saying is that the Bible is the only true holy book because you think it is? That's a lot different than what you said in your OP.


Here's what I said:

Why God's Word The Bible IS Infallible!

Simple reason is that - It's author God (YHWH - Jehovah/Yehowah/Yahweh) IS the Living God!

He is the Almighty God having the Will, the Wisdom and The Power to fulfill his own Word and his promises. Thus whatever he says will be done.

The scripture the I provided backs it up.

As for the Word of God and the Truth - look up the scriptures that I cited. Based on those scriptures I'm fully convinced that the Bible is the ONLY written word of God - that is infallible.



posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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God didn't write the bible bro, man did...

Inspired or not it was not written by God


that my friend IS correct ('xept for the Ten Commandments)

“Now as soon as he had finished speaking with him on Mount Si′nai he proceeded to give Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone written on by God’s finger.” (Exodus 31:18)



Its also interesting that you use several different versions of the bible to find what best suits your belief.


--> See this is what I don't get, if I use just one version people complain, if I use several still people complain - need to make ur mind.

But I like to use all versions for comparative study.

later...

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posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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that my friend IS correct ('xept for the Ten Commandments)


Even those come down to two main commandments...


Use whatever book you want i don't care really... i tend to stick to the KJV...

And some translations have different meanings...




posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by edmc^2
reply to post by EarthCitizen23
 


What do you mean by this statement?

"The Kingdom of Heaven is Within"

Within who?



Your question reminds me of a man, whom co-workers knew who went to Israel in 1999 to await the return of the Messiah. When his money ran out and he returned home, our mutual friends wanted us all to get together and talk,, as they knew my beliefs,, and They are Christian, as their friend.
We all got together and discussed many things,,, end times, prophecy, the Bible of course. My co-workers,, Becky and Tony knew me very well and knew I had studied to be a Reverend, but was a 'born again Pagan'. Their friend was alot like what I see here of Christians on ATS. I will leave it at that.
So,, all night we talked and discussed things,,, me with my views on things,,, they with theirs. It was very interesting as their friend became more and more bombastic in his damnation of who I am.
At one point Becky and Tony's child came into the room as we talked about this very subject of the Kingdom of Heaven being within,, and Divinity (God) residing inside each human.
I asked their "Rapture ready" friend,, as I called him.....
"_______ Is God inside of Will?", their son.
"Yes" he said, "of Course"
"Becky?" I asked,,,,
"Sure, he is." he returned.
"And Tony?",,, and he again affirmed how God resided in our mutual friend.

Then I asked pointing to myself,,,, "Is God WithIn Me?"

"Oh NO~!!!!"
he recoiled and looked at Becky and Tony as he shook his head violently No.
I laughed out loud,,and laughed, but then saw my friend Becky's face.
In one fell swoop her understanding of Christian Arrogance and duplicity came in a flash of Enlightenment.
Becky and Tony knew me very well,, trusted me, loved me and saw my beliefs in action.
Becky was never the same regarding Christian arrogance,,, and happens to be one of the Few '''real'' Christ Like people I have come across.
She saw how someone can wrap themselves up in an air of Christian superiority, and how far from Christ , christians have removed themselves from the core teachings of Jesus. It hit her like a ton of bricks,,, especially since I was the one showing her what Jesus had taught his followers to Know.
A gay Pagan.
She called me the most Christian person she knew, and stood up and gave her friend a lecture that I will never forget.
That day I saw What could be,, if Christians really did follow what Jesus said.
Sir,, The Kingdom of Heaven is Within.
Within ME!
I hope you let it shine Within You too,,
I am sure you think it does,,, as my friends Becky and Tony's "Rapture Ready" Friend,,, did.
But for him ( as I imagine You),,, it was exclusive.
I am sorry but you are mistaken,,, God is not the Stingy mean Sadist of the Bible,,, and is In Each Living Person, Animal and thing.
It is our duty to Wash our Soul WIndows and let the Light Within Shine Out Into the Dark.

And that my friend is Where the Kingdom of Heaven Is,,,, It is Among Us All...
We just don't Live It.

and we all should,,, without exclusion or arrogance of Superiority of Belief.

I always tell people I am a Born Again Pagan,,,, they usually think it means I am Christian. I am Not.
I just happen to remember more than One Life,,, and it has aided me well.
Once you see the Bigger Picture,,, you are unlikely to forget it.
Nor can you go back to Intellectual Childhood and believe such simplistic and arrogant worldviews of the Universe.
Within is a Big Place. Visit and let us know what you find.
You will see many mansions in the Kingdom there,,,( don't spray graffiti on the walls please.)
and you will See,, Shamans, Muslims, Jewish believers, Animist,,, and yes Virginia there are even Christians there,,, believe it or not!!
The Kingdom of Heaven is Not a "White" Only place I promise,,, nor just Christian.
Why do I say that,,
Because I believe the Kingdom of Heaven is Within (Me and You) Here,, NOW,,, On Earth.
Or we could only see the Hell that we have let ourselves create.
Pick which one you wish to be.
I prefer Everyone Making the Grade,,,, as does God. He isn't as Exclusive as Christians pretend to know.



posted on Jul, 21 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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Your post would be useful if I was "Born in Sin" and Needed to be '''Washed in the Blood" to be worthy of my humanity and my soul.

But I was not born such,, nor am I in need of '''being Saved".

Sorry,,, Thanks but no thanks,,,

Wouldn't request much from Jahweh,,,,
he tends to change his mind alot and has Smite-Rage,,, always smiting this and that group of peoples.
Remember Job.



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 12:47 AM
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Remember Job.


I do, and look how he was blessed after all he went through, such a test allowed by God but orchestrated by Satan to try and prove to the angels he could be turn ANYBODY to the dark-side, well he failed.

Job 42:12-17

12The LORD blessed the latter years of Job's life more than the earlier years. He had 14,000 sheep and goats, 6,000 camels, 2,000 oxen, and 1,000 donkeys. 13He also had seven sons and three daughters. 14He named the first [daughter] Jemimah, the second Cassia, and the third Keren Happuch. 15Nowhere in the whole country could be found women who were as beautiful as Job's daughters. Their father gave them and their brothers an inheritance. 16Job lived 140 years after this. He saw his children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. 17Then at a very old age, Job died.
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posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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You wrote:

["It's part of the conversation I guess - but if you have no answer then back to the title of the thread - Why God's Word IS infallible? Because it will never make a mistake as the Author is a Living God."]

Not only do you use a base of constant circle-argumentation. You also recycle the whole concept of circle-argumentation, as if it's an acceptable and legitimate methodology.

It's plain repetitive preaching. But you will NOT succeed with lulling opposition to sleep by droning on in the same tracks. As you know from former experience, there are always those, who can join a: "Is, isn't, is, isn't" propaganda-contest until the whole thing becomes a parody.



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by edmc^2
As for the Word of God and the Truth - look up the scriptures that I cited. Based on those scriptures I'm fully convinced that the Bible is the ONLY written word of God - that is infallible.


So you believe it just because it tells you to? Turns out that that napkin really was an apt analogy.



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 01:16 AM
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Aaaaah, the terrible cornerstones of pauline christianity, genesis 1, 2 and 3.

Talk about building on sand.

If you can get a fundie-christian to relate to that rationally and directly, my respect for you will go still a notch up. I've tried for 1½ year here, and the result is always: "Mumble, mumble, mumble .... and anyway faith is better than rational approaches".



posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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You wrote (on Job):

["I do, and look how he was blessed after all he went through, such a test allowed by God but orchestrated by Satan to try and prove to the angels he could be turn ANYBODY to the dark-side, well he failed."]

Orchestrated EXACTLY like fundie-christians orchestrate the perspectives on it so as to arrive at the 'right' christian interpretation..

And that's not including the convenient exclusion of how many people and animals, which had to die, to prove a point in 'god's' and satans nonsense-contest (which ofcourse as always in OT-related christianity is about control-freakishness and submission. Grovelling to a predatory, 'god'-pretending demon is GOOD).


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posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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Grovelling to a predatory demon is GOOD
I would recommend you re-read Job but read along with the Hebrew and take a close look at how the various gods are named and described.
Job is I think the one good book in the OT because he refuses to grovel and tells the god bragging about how great he is, "You may be the god of this world and can kill me but if you do I am going to the God above you and he will take my side against you." The god backed off and restored Job.

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posted on Jul, 22 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Grovelling to a predatory demon is GOOD
I would recommend you re-read Job but read along with the Hebrew and take a close look at how the various gods are named and described.
Job is I think the one good book in the OT because he refuses to grovel and tells the god bragging about how great he is, "You may be the god of this world and can kill me but if you do I am going to the God above you and he will take my side against you." The god backed off and restored Job.

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You have some pretty interesting perspectives, and I have some spare time just now, where I can follow it up.
And btw, i tried to find Hebrews yesterday, but it's probably called something else in my native language. So could you please give me some direction?






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