Originally posted by Tib50
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Wait, why would you say socialism wouldn't work, then start talking about communism as to why it wont work...
its like me saying I don't think the republic will work, so I start pointing out flaws of a monarchy..
its two completely seperate systems..matter of fact, socialist countries tend to fiercely hate communist countrys...
Disasternaut is quite right to follow his natural instincts about socialism and communism, and I hope he will not be hornswoggled by the smooth, slick
arguments of this Saturnine member of the Unholy Muslim/Marxist Allliance, recommended by Vladimir Lenin himself as a good way to destroy western
If you say so...so capitalism is corporatism, which is facism then...fine, if one step = 100 miles, then its all the same...never talk about face
value, just leap right towards the most fanatical end..that sounds reasonable
(btw, thats sarcasm...thats totally unreasonable..like a person experiencing their first kiss does not make them a prostitute...mega epic leaps in
nonsense to go from a "start" to the extreme end..
But meh, thats how its typically programmed into people...always think radically.
Disasternaut is also right to equate socialism with communism, as Lenin himself said:
"The goal of socialism is communism".
And the final result of capitalism is imperialism...again, are we going for reality, or are we going for phrases? Socialism is ultimately all over
the world except for in a few places (such as, oh...Somolia). degrees of socialism is required in society to maintain stability. The arguing point is
to what degree...what should be the measure of socialist programs, and what should be left to capitalist tendencies...not a "should we allow any
socialism at all in the country". Thats nonsense talk and being totally disingenuious. We like a bit of socialism, everyone does...it cuts down on
the crime rate, allows for a moderate chance at making something decent with your life verses just a slave, etc.
If western civilization can be represented by an apple, Socialism is the sneaking way a worm eats an apple from within, while Communism is someone
chopping the apple up with an axe. Either way, the apple gets it.
Western civilization currently is more like an axe that chops the apple tree down to take all the apples off the tree in one load due to greed.
Socialism is the grove tender trying to stop the person from chopping the tree down.
I like this example better:
Socialism is 3 apples you picked, you give one apple to your friend and you eat two apples
Communism is splitting an apple and giving your friend 1.5 apples
Capitalism is loaning your friend an apple, then demanding he give back two
Fiat economy...hooray...sadly, there is only three apples, so your friend can not actually pay back the extra apple...which means he must borrow
another apple to pay back the interest, and then everything crashes, fights break out.
As you can see, neither of the above examples is a good system...communism is the worst of the three because it simply won't work...the old argument
of "why do work just to provide for the lazy" debate is relevant...but socialism mixed with capitalism is so far the best method.
A socialism works...its in place already in areas that are the most educated, healthy, and cultured on earth...the happiest places on earth if you
read the reports. (check denmark, sweden, etc)
This is laughable. Please DO check Denmark, Sweden and Formerly Great Britain to see how the FabianSocialists/Marxists have tried to destroy their
economies and the ethnic and cultural identity of the Danes, Swedes and British by flooding them with immigrants, in particular, Muslims, because they
are the Marxist's special allies.
ok, lets look at denmark:
Denmark has socialist welfare reforms such as a free school system, free medical care, income support and unemployment benefits.
Here is some studies that factor in a number of thing
Happiest place on earth
Denmark is number 1 (ahd has been there for quite sometime)
incidently, the states is 23.
Look at the list, find out how they came to the results...then get back with me.
Final add...northern eurpoean countries are not full socialism...its a socio-capitalist setup...compared to us, they are total socialism, compared to
pure socialism, they are capitalists...its actually a exceptionally well working hybrid
And if you want to see what Full Socialism looks like, please read George Orwell's "1984", "Animal Farm", and Aldous Huxley's "Brave New
Brave new world was ultimately nonsense. it is a very old school take on a technocracy that for some strange reason never factored in resource
enhancements...like somehow science just stopped and so they had to take hard measures to ensure happy and healthy lives mixed with the need to
balance resources and growth.
aka, nonsense...nice fiction, bit dated now, but still worth the read if you enjoy dystopian future senarios built on silliness.
I would find the terminator more plausable for dystopia
Animal farm is about totalitarian communism, not socio-capitalism. doesn't apply.
Notice how I left out the references to muslims...because that argument is a glenn beck fantasy that I won't even bother addressing. Just to
say...there is no socialist middle eastern country I know of (not sure what every single state is mind you, but the major ones are imperial monarchys,
dictatorships, etc...frankly, if it was a socialism, things might be a bit equal and people less likely to go radical...