Originally posted by disasternaut
reply to post by SaturnFX
It seems that your depiction of our country as "invaders" shows very plainly where you stand on our military; sure we rely on other countries for
some of our resources, but this doesn't mean that we murder for them or that we don't help countries with less power than we have. And look, if we
ever fall into a communistic dictatorship then sure I would support opposition to it; but as of right now I just don't see what the gripe is with the
way we do things, honestly, we have it much better than so many countries and we have a system that ultimately works. Why fix what isn't broken? I
must add that I'm not a "blind nationalist" I am fully aware that our country is in trouble, which is why I am going to vote this coming
edit on 19-7-2011 by disasternaut because: spelling
Hey, thanks for the reply
ok, some things
In regards to the US invasion force..
I am not really a 9-11 conspiracy type..I have questions, and I see some looming coincidences, but ultimately I try not to consider it too much
because it makes me feel totally helpless...in saying that...
-Taliban is approached by administration to rent out land to run a oil pipeline through the state
taliban decides no...no deal.
9/11 happens shortly after that, Tally sent to the hills, pipeline erected. Seems very coincidental
I won't go into the reasons behind veitnam or iraq..those speak for themselves. There alre also other less popular wars that recieved general media
blackout...sure is a lot of freedom we have to fight for in a ongoing basis.
In regards to where i stand on our military
I think its a horrible orginization that I wish was never needed to be even invented...but I am not nieve enough to think that it isn't. I see it
for what it is, America's murder machine...and although I am non religious, I tend to see murder as a sin overall..sin to humanity, sin to
intellectualism, sin to progress...
Yes, war is at times necessary, but not as necessary as we are lead to believe...I think it is in the realm of not just defense, but also conquest as
it always has been. our military is not alone in this assessment.
Imagine a world without any military...people would have to talk things out...but again, don't want to wander into hippyland too much..just stating.
my views on the military is the same views I have for a hangmans noose...it serves a horrible function that sometimes is necessary, sometimes is
If our allies decide to go with a communism or other type of government type, that will be their choice. If its imposed on them by a minority or
invading force, we have an obligation to help, but if its the majority choosing it and at the same time observing human rights, then that is their
choice. I have no hate or love for other peoples choices...its their choice, and frankly, I would be interested to see how a different structure
works under peace...we know systems of government falter when at war...sure...I want to know what works best during peace though
I suspect a properly run socialism is the best peacetime governmental structure currrently in existance (considering a technocracy is not yet
I am a patriot (in my opinion). I quite like America. No, I don't believe I am somehow better than someone born elsewhere...if I was born into some
cannibalistic tribe in the brazilian rainforest, well, I would probably like that lifestyle also because I got used to it.
My patriotism is not about patting ourselves on the back for past successes, nor is it pretending that somehow what we got here is unique to the
world...rather, its a desire to see us push ahead in areas that count...and that is the most frustrating to me because I see us failing on all
(technology being the biggest factor).
Thats it...I see that the structure of our country, and the decisions we are making today, will indeed turn us over time into a lesser country. the
east will rise above us and everything we built will be inferior and redundant. and every day, we dig that hole a little bit deeper...
The beauty of the nation is also the poison of the nation...our democratic process, our constitution trying to limit governmental programs,
etc...these are the things that will retard our progress..not big gov programs like medicare or some such, but things like nasa, giant scientific
research firms that give to the nation freely their findings...this is, in my mind, the most critical infrustructure programs we have, yet its also
the things we chop away at quickly whenever there is a bit of a budget crisis..or whenever some politician wants to win temporary points..politicians
are slaves to the short term small mindset of the local voters they represent that are unable to see what comes in 20 years.