Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

reply to post by Sovaka


You are seriously misconstruing the bill of rights. Freedom OF religion. It most certainly does not provide freedom FROM it. Unless of course that religion is promoting - and keep this in mind that the WHOLE and COMPLETE religion would need to preach and act upon it - murder or theft, etc., etc. In that case we are providing protection from murder, theft, etc. Not from the religion. If a city were to say no religious people can enter here it is throwing away the constitution and not really an American city at all.

Originally posted by lifeissacred
Wow, you really don't understand Islamic law. None of those 'punishments' is anything to do with the Sharia.

Perhaps you don't understand as much as you think you do.

For instance, Muhammad made it clear that the penalty for homosexuality was death.

www.usc.edu...

Here is a video apparently showing 5 suspected homosexuals being hung in Pakistan.

www.mentalzero.com...

The Koran is clear that sex between unmarried people is prohibited.

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The penalty for fornicating outside marriage is 100 lashes.

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Bangladeshi man lashed 100 times for having sex with Filipina maid in the UAE

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The penalty for homosexual acts is death, according to Muhammad in the hadith and 100 lashes for sex outside of marriage according to Allah in the Koran.

Here are a selection of Sharia legal schools prescribed treatment of homosexuality

* The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.

* Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.

* The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

* Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

www.religionfacts.com...

reply to post by ollncasino


You forgot to add that since 9/11 the USA and it's allies have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims (many of them innocent). We have dropped bombs on at least 4 Muslim countries. We prop up brutal dictators and exploit the Muslim world and you're surprised that some Muslims don't like us?

Our interference and suppression of the Islamic world is what motivates the hostility against us.

Originally posted by demongoat
it is, because how many people are we talking about? 10? 20? at most maybe a hundred?

I'm really happy for you that Muslims plotting to muder people in the USA don't appear to worry you.

They following planned attacks worry me.

• Muslim Americans conspiring to destroy the Brooklyn bridge

• a Somali Muslim living in Ohio plotting to blow up a local shopping mall

• a cell of 7 Muslims plotting to blow up the New York stock exchange

• A US Muslim and accomplice plotting to blow up the NY subway

• two NY mosque leaders who plotted to blow up an Indian diplomat with a shoulder fired grenade launcher

• a group of 4 Muslims who plotted to blow up National Guard facilities and synagogues in the LA area

• 2 Muslims who conspired to blow up the Wyoming natural gas refinery & the Transcontinental Pipeline

• a Muslim flying into Chicago plotting to use a dirty bomb in the USA

• 2 Muslim men plotting to blow up the US Capitol and Word Bank Headquarters

• 7 Muslims arrested for plotting to blow up the Sears tower in Chicago

• 8 Muslims arrested for planning to blow up NY city train tunnels

• a Muslim man who plotted to set off hand grenades in a shopping mall outside Chicago

• 6 Muslims conspiring to attack Fort Dix

• New Jersey, a Muslim who planned to set of a TAPT bomb in the NY subway

• a Muslim who plotted to blow up a Dallas skyscraper

• a Muslim who tried to set off a car bomb outside the courthouse in downtown Springfield, Illinois

• 2 Muslims who plotted to murder civilians in US shopping malls

• 4 Muslims plotting to blow up “aviation fuel tanks and pipelines at the John F. Kennedy International Airport” in New York City

• 4 Muslims planning to shoot down planes with stinger missiles.

creepingsharia.wordpress.com...

reply to post by ollncasino


A minority of a minority scare you. There are millions of Muslims in America, yet you're scared of a handful of crazies, it's irrational fear and people are playing on your fears in order to justify their oppressive foreign policy as well as domestic policy.

Muslims are decent people and just want to get on with their lives.

Persecuting people is exactly what the 'terrorists' want, like it or not the 'war on terror' is an unwinable war because of our insistance on interference instead of disengagement. The motivation of those who would seek to harm us is the fact that the USA and it's allies have killed and continue to kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

As Michael Scheuer has said, if they hated us for our freedoms or our lifestyle then we wouldn't even be dealing with a lethal nuisance. It's because those who would seek to harm us have genuine goals and have aligned themselves with the 'liberation of the Muslim world' that they are a national security threat. Persecuting people won't make this threat go away, they will make it worse.

The second book of the Koran tells muslims to deceive and kill anyone that deny's Islam its religion laws and state....so...just as the old jew testament becomes the jesus new testament, islam has a purpose and a goal and needs to be removed entirely from the US and sent back from whence it came and any one who doesn't like it can crapily follow

Originally posted by lifeissacred
Our interference and suppression of the Islamic world is what motivates the hostility against us.

If it was only that simple.

“I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah.’”

Prophet Muhammad farewell address, March 632

Muslims always look to live under Islamic Shariah not under the American constitution.

I am one of them, trust me. I know them. I was very involved with my Muslim community for the first 10 years here in the United States.

I heard them a million times saying that we are here to eventually replace the American Constitution with Islamic Shariah.

Wafa Sultan

fora.tv...

Originally posted by lifeissacred
A minority of a minority scare you.

Historians estimate that about 270 million people have been killed by Jihad since Islam came onto this earth.

• 120 million Africans

• 60 million Christians

• 80 million Hindus

• 10 million Buddhists

www.politicalislam.com...

For a minority of a minority, it has done a lot of killing.

reply to post by ollncasino


It IS that simple. Your two quotes don't change the fact that our countries have killed countless innocent Muslims. We carved up the middle east, we subjected the Muslim countries to brutal dictators and now we are paying the price for it. That is what motivates hostility against us. Our foreign policy is the greatest weapon that those who would seek to harm us have.

Those rotten bastards in mosques are no good.

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reply to post by ollncasino


Dodgy historians making baseless estimates, not exactly a very trustworthy source. No doubt there have been many people killed by the religious empires of the middle east, NO different to every other religious empire that has ever existed.

Originally posted by lifeissacred
reply to post by Tib50

 

Wow, you really don't understand Islamic law. None of those 'punishments' is anything to do with the Sharia.

BBC: Sharia Law

If you knew anything about the BBC, you would know that it has been totally taken over by the Unholy Marxist/Muslim Alliance, and even its top directors have admitted the outrageous BBC bias in favour of Muslims. Islam is the Darling of the New World Order, and it's high time people woke up to that fact.

So why ARE Muslims allowed to chop off people's hands, and sometimes feet, and sometimes heads? Why ARE they allowed to teach their children to commit ritual human sacrifices, by slowly sawing off someone's head from the front, while they choke in their own blood in agony? Why ARE they allowed to throw homosexuals off high buildings, and stone adulterers? Let's hear your learned explanation!

Originally posted by lifeissacred
It IS that simple. Your two quotes don't change the fact that our countries have killed countless innocent Muslims.

Our foreign policy is the greatest weapon that those who would seek to harm us have.

• What great religion originated the term “jihad,” which means a permanent holy war against non-Muslims?

• What great religion has been fighting the West for the last 1,300 years?

• What great religion since the mid-600s persecuted, executed, tortured, taxed, enslaved, beheaded and, more recently, bombed those who do not subscribe to their faith?

• What great religion enslaved 17 million Africans and 1.25 million Europeans

• What great religion occupied Spain for centuries?

• What great religion now occupies 2/3s of the old Christian world?

• What great religion occupied Southern Europe for centuries?

• What great religion besieged Vienna twice?

• What great and peaceful religion orders the killing of any individual who attempts to mock or draw a caricature of the Prophet Mohammed or question the veracity of the Koran?

• What great religion promises 72 awaiting virgins in paradise for a young man to strap a bomb to himself and take as many innocent lives with him as he can?

• What great religion teaches that deception is appropriate when it furthers their cause?

• Under what great religion does the U.S. hold the title, “The Great Satan”?

• What great religion systematically defaces, destroys and builds over historical and archeological sites to remove any reminder of their existence (particularly Christian and Jewish sites)?

for a right winger i disagree with cain.

you ban one you have to ban them all the meaning of freedom of religion and keep church and state serperate is to ensure no religion above another and no religion that can even be banned.

if you agree with cain what part of freedom of religion do you not get?.


its wrong and no one can say its not.

the pilgrims came here to worship however they wanted that right was secure to all future generations and whatever religion one may choose to follow.

Originally posted by neo96
you ban one you have to ban them all the meaning of freedom of religion and keep church and state serperate is to ensure no religion above another and no religion that can even be banned.

If I set up a political party that sought to kill homosexuals, wage violent war on everyone else and treated women as second class citizens, most people would not be very approving.

But if I set up a religion that seeks to kill homosexuals, wage violent war on everyone else and treat women as second class citizens, then that's different.

It's a religion.

Originally posted by Tib50
If you knew anything about the BBC, you would know that it has been totally taken over by the Unholy Marxist/Muslim Alliance, and even its top directors have admitted the outrageous BBC bias in favour of Muslims.

The head of religious programming on the BBC is a Muslim!

No wonder the BBC spin on Sharia law is so economical with the truth.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by neo96
you ban one you have to ban them all the meaning of freedom of religion and keep church and state serperate is to ensure no religion above another and no religion that can even be banned.

If I set up a political party that sought to kill homosexuals, wage violent war on everyone else and treated women as second class citizens, most people would not be very approving.

But if I set up a religion that seeks to kill homosexuals, wage violent war on everyone else and treat women as second class citizens, then that's different.

It's a religion.

Let the people who lack common sense suffer.

It is alright with me

reply to post by ollncasino


its not the governments place to legislate how to be better people even if its called a "religion"

i wouldnt be very forgiving for what you proposed or have little tolerance for radical islam.

but cain is wrong its up to those people of that faith islam or others to weed out its own stupidity.

its not mine or the governments.

I hear lots of people saying they have been to North Africa and the Muslims there are easy going, but has anyone here who is a Christian actually been there and spoken about their faith and share in the differences in belief face on? Maybe the non religious travellers have it easy, unless of course you go to places like Saudi Arabia and get caught kissing and hugging a women and you get sent to prison for a few months. Apart from that it seems atheists there have an easy time but if you carried a Bible or two at their air port or carried or preached about Christ in Morocco I do wonder what the outcome would be like. I am not judging the situation as probably these people who preach the Gospel in those northern countries have equal rights and respect by society as we do.

I could be wrong of course and that is fine but I have not heard these holiday goers in true faith actually open up about their religious differences to see what reaction people might get, of course all smiles on the outside as long as you go home afterwards.

On going research here are some articles.

Morocco

Christians in Morocco constitute approximately 1.1% (~380,000) of the country's population (34,859,364 - July 2009 est.).[1]

Article 6 of the Moroccan constitution states, that Islam is official religion of the state.[2] Christian communities can openly practice their faiths (freedom of worship is guaranted by the constitution), however distribution of Christian materials among the Muslims is illegal.[3] There were reports that some foreign missionaries were expelled from Morocco for distributing Christian materials[4] and proselytizing Muslims.[5]
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Protestants number some 50,000 to 100,000 in Algeria. [7] This small population generally practices its faith without government interference.[8] However, converts from Islam can be exposed to the risk of attack by extremists.[8] Missionary groups are permitted to conduct humanitarian activities without government interference as long as they are discreet and do not proselytize openly.[8] Since 2006 missionary outreach among Muslims can be punished with up to five years of prison.[9] The Protestant Church of Algeria is a Reformed Church with about 10,000 members.[10] The Protestant Church of Algeria is one of only two officially recognized Christian organizations in the country. Most Christians meet in homes, to protect themselves, according to ICC. The country's Minister of Religious Affairs has called the evangelical churches "dangerous."

Christians have at times been subjected to religiously-motivated attacks. In 1996, Mgr Pierre Claverie, bishop of Oran, was assassinated by terrorists. This murder occurred soon after that of seven monks of the Trappistes of Tibérine, and of six nuns. It is worth noting that during that era, commonly known as the black decade, between 100,000 and 200,000 Algerians lost their lives.

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Egypt

While the Egyptian government does not have a policy to persecute Christians, it discriminates against them and hampers their freedom of worship. Its agencies sporadically persecute Muslim converts to Christianity.[99] The government enforces Hamayouni Decree restrictions on building or repairing churches. These same restrictions, however, do not apply to mosques.[99]

The government has effectively restricted Christians from senior government, diplomatic, military, and educational positions, and there has been increasing discrimination in the private sector.[99][100] The government subsidizes media which attack Christianity and restricts Christians access to the state-controlled media.[99]
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I wonder how many Churches have been destroyed by Muslims over the years let alone hundreds of years, how many Churches in Europe are being converted to Mosques once Christians leave the area they live in or sell their homes to find a better area to stay in.

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

Turkish Republic of Northern CyprusTurkey invaded Cyprus in 1974. The United Nations has documented their systematic destruction of churches of the Church of Cyprus from 1974 though 2003.[177][178] Many churches were vandalized and their artifacts stolen.[179] Church mosaics and frescoes were removed and ended up in Europe’s black market or sold openly in specialist stores and auction-houses. Some churches were demolished and some have had their use changed to mosques and stables.[180]
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I could mention these countries in treatment of Christiandom.

Turkey
Nigeria
Philippines
Sudan
Somalia
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
Iraq
Iran
Indonesia

And you wonder why some people call it Islamaphobia, I do not think Christian and Jews feel safe once Mosques are built near them. It comes at a price, hatred of freedom is taught behind closed doors the UK has witnessed such things, streets become full of Muslims praying on the ground blocking people from their own homes which happens in France. Then you get the extremists at work and all sorts of threats to deal with, main reason, because the divide in differences is so wide that it will one day cause conflicts.

But this is also why there is this conflict, if it is not here it is there and once the country becomes weak and free for all it could let in another system that will delete the harmony people fought for in the first place.

Do we blame people for speaking up about such issues, no one thinks long term anymore and where things might lead to.