Originally posted by byteshertz
reply to post by MrXYZ
Cultures around the world talk of a great flood, how is that no evidence?
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by byteshertz
The end of the last Ice Age raised the global sea level by several feet (this is a lot). Many then-coastal settlements would have been flooded. Not to mention the Black Sea Deluge.
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by byteshertz
The current scientific theories (note scientific theories are not guesses, they are fact)
on the origin and dynamics of our planet work in a universe with the laws of physics.
Competing theories (really they shouldn't be called theories since they haven't been tested and retested) do not work in a universe with the laws of physics
Science can do all of those things. Cite, the closed universe model and dark matter.
Science is reality, it doesn't matter how we perceive reality, it doesn't matter what we can measure. Science is science.
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by byteshertz
Atoms of oxygen are different from atoms of hydrogen because they contain a different number of sub-atomic particles due to the electromagnetic force. Molecules of water are different from molecules of rock because the atoms are organized differently, again due to the electromagnetic force. It isn't that hard to comprehend, why are you constantly challenging it with untestable assertions?
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Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by byteshertz
Yes, but the ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE is what keeps it from changing (think ions). This is why matter can only be changed when exposed to high amounts of energy. Thus how the fusion of hydrogen created heavier elements.
Originally posted by fixer1967
There is not enough water on the Earth to make it a WATER WORLD. Here is a picture of what the Earth would look like if all the ice melted. You see a lot of flooding but still a lot of land as well.
www.johnstonsarchive.net...
www.johnstonsarchive.net...
They are saying the sea level would only rise 66 meters (216 feet) so anything that is now higher than that above sea level would still be dry land.edit on 7/17/2011 by fixer1967 because: to add link
Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by byteshertz
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Energy can vary in form, such as heat and electricity. We don't know, yet, what matter is made of at its very farthest base, but that doesn't mean that it needs to be an artificial construct. Imagine you were the first person to discover fire. You have no idea about the methodology of science so you think that fire is created by a "God". However just because the origin of fire was unknown back then doesn't mean it wouldn't be discovered later. The same applies to the Theory of Everything.
Matter cannot be transformed without energy. Matter and energy are not the same. Stop trying to over simplify everything, it makes it painfully obvious that you don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Tested and retested scientific theories are as good as facts because they are the only model that works in our universe. Your "theories" are untestable, therefore are not scientific.edit on 7/19/2011 by SG-17 because: (no reason given)
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If you're still reading this, then you might already have guessed that that's not the whole story... and you're right! The cosmic dance between matter and energy isn't anywhere near as simple as this. You see, they're related on a fundamental level and, in truth, one is the other! As it turns out, matter is every bit as abstract as energy and the ethereal energy that you hear about is as tangible as the matter you interact with! Quick caveat: this part is a lot more free form/stream of consciousness. Feel free to skim the following and don't worry if parts of it don't make sense... the idea is just to get an intuitive feel for what the world you live in is "really made of". Briefly, matter and energy are interconvertible... one can "become" the other (maybe not easily but it is possible). At their core, the "particles" that make up everyday matter are really not anything like the solid spheres we all tend to imagine. And energy itself is a lot more ubiquitous and intrinsic part of our lives than we usually consider. First, as was hinted above, matter and energy are completely interconvertible... one can be changed into the other. This equivalence of matter and energy was formulated by one of the most prolific geniuses of science, Albert Einstein, and is expressed by his famous equation E=mc2. So what does this really mean? It means that, at the fundamental level, there really is no difference between energy and matter. One is equivalent to the other. This can really be seen when you encounter the strangeness that is Quantum Mechanics. This theory of the very small tells us that we can't really think of microscopic particles as particles at all! Instead, we're forced to look at these microscopic "particles" as solid yet not solid... they show aspects of both the solid particles you see around you (like baseballs, for example) and waves (somewhat like those you see on the ocean). It is certainly very strange but it shows that the "ultimate reality" (if there is such a thing) is quite unlike what we experience at our macroscopic level of existence.
Originally posted by byteshertz
Ah yes high amounts of energy required. And what is "energy" made of?
and what are those particles made of? and those particles?
Oh yeah the closer we look the more we see it is all the same - it is all a hologram, it is the same stuff in groups which we percieve to be something else.
If they were the only model that worked then they would not be called a theory they would be called a law.
Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute.
A theory is what one or more hypotheses become once they have been verified and accepted to be true.
The physical conditions Many scientists that believe in the cosmology given in the scriptures say that a thick canopy of water vapor existed over the entire earth. The weight of this canopy gave an atmospheric pressure much higher than that of today. There was a constant stable climate of approximately 72 degrees Fahrenheit, with no rain or winds. Any precipitation was a mist or dew that formed on the early mourning ground. The sunlight would appear as a diffused glow, as this thick canopy would block out radiation from the suns harmful rays. A "greenhouse" effect would be the result in a sub-tropic condition of rich lush vegetation on the one huge continent. (Gen 10:25) This environment was better enhanced to maintain and prolong life as well as congenial in comfort.
Recently in biomedical research, it has been shown that both high pressures and the absence of mutation producing radiation contribute significantly to longevity of life. In addition, the human genetic system and its bloodstream had purity very unlike our degenerated state of today. This was the result of very few accumulated mutant genes, and primeval absence of disease-producing organisms. (Which was a part of the result of sin and its increase not yet fully developed or experienced.)
From this understanding of the environment and the human biological response to it, it is not unreasonable to see how Cain, Able or Seth married their sisters. Genetically they would be pure enough to inter breed without harm. It also explains the longevity of life, the average life span being over 900 years. It was only after the flood and the bursting of this water vapor canopy that allowed the rays to penetrate the earth, that man’s life-span reduced gradually until the time of King David, when the average age was about 76 years as it somewhat remains today. This environment was truly Eden - like.
