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posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 04:55 PM
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Yes but really notice, I have changed to a shark... And for all the people wondering. I am not a Mason or a Satanist. I am I, and I am trying to become a mason but my local lodge still has not responded to my email about attending a meeting so for as of now I am I. But soon hope to be one of the chosen.




posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 05:08 PM
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AK's right. I'm just shocked that someone would operate so openly.

ANyway, the Simpsons reference is appropriate. Wasn't there a bigger stone, though?



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 05:08 PM
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posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 05:08 PM
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I loved that episode, Majic.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by AlexKennedy
It's absolutely contrary to the central tenants of the order




We know that you mean tenets.


No, no. I mean the people who live in apartment buildings and pay rent to the Order, of course



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by TomSawyer
Well, I see the brotherhood has arrived just in time to save the day. ;-) You guys are so nice, it's a wonder why you are having recruitment problems.


We're not having any recruitment problems whatsoever up here. Membership is up for the first time in several years. Young people are joining in droves.


Nothing personal guys, but you are like a pack of wolves here.


Jeez! Do parents not teach their children what irony is anymore? Anyone making a statement so patently self-contradictory as the one above would have been labelled as a hopeless square in my day.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Justmytype
I am I, and I am trying to become a mason but my local lodge still has not responded to my email about attending a meeting so for as of now I am I.


Couple of things here: First of all, you probably can't attend a meeting without being a member, at least if Masonry in the States is anything like it is up here.

Secondly, Masonic Lodges are typically closed in July and August, so you'll probably have to wait until September at least to get a response. Getting initiated took me six months from application to initiation, and I don't mind that at all -- it's the old way of doing things, quality over quantity.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 06:55 PM
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[edit on 10/2/2004 by esther]



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by esther


Are the oaths taken in Freemasonry binding only to the individual taking them or are there any that are binding upon the descendents of the oath-taker? My gut tells me that the answer is no, however I have heard this (not here on ATS but elsewhere) and wondered as to its legitimacy.



The answer is no. Each man gives his own word. If his descendants want to join, they choose to do so themselves.
Individual choice plays a large part in Freemasonry.

Also rest assured that all Freemasons would have no compunction about breaking their word if they found out that they had been "duped" or "tricked" into giving it, as some anti-mason theorists would tell you they have been. Just like anyone else, we know that if our word was not given freely and honestly to a just cause, any oath made would be invalid anyway.
It is a telling testimony to Freemasonry that so few men ever go back on their word.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by esther
Ah I know you Masons love me but here I am again. I really am not the enemy, despite what some may think.

I have an honest question because I have received conflicting information on this issue. A simple yes or no answer would be fine, as long as it is an honest answer.

Are the oaths taken in Freemasonry binding only to the individual taking them or are there any that are binding upon the descendents of the oath-taker? My gut tells me that the answer is no, however I have heard this (not here on ATS but elsewhere) and wondered as to its legitimacy.

As I said, I don't think that this would even be possible, but even those who crucified Christ said :"Let his blood be upon us and our children."

(NOT SAYING that the Masons crucified Christ, please don't assume that's what I mean, I was just giving an example for the sake of clarity.)


No.

What you refer to is the ever handy "Corruption of Blood", a great way to supplant your rivals for generations to come. This tactic used in England was expressly forbidden by the Constitution of the United States, which tenets (and tenants, AK) were formed with Masonic teachings in mind.

Care to guess how "Corruption of Blood" oozed it's way into English Criminal Law?

As an aside the correct quote is:

Matthew 27:24-25
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. (KJV)

Referring to the sentencing of The Christ, to crucifixion.

English Criminal Law, and Article 3, Section 3, of the U.S. Constitution.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by TomSawyer
I have a hard time telling who the good guys are sometimes with all of their tongue in cheek comments. Nothing personal guys, but you are like a pack of wolves here.



The witty remarkes just keep on coming here on ATS. *applause*

Nothing personal, Tom, I happen to love wolves and think they are hugely misunderstood.



posted on Aug, 13 2004 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by stancumans
Afterr 20 odd years of persecution, for want of a better word, i actually found out what was going on in my life. I found out that a sentance had been passed on me by the "Mysterious Examiner" and that i was declared a hanged man by freemasons. They don't just go out an lynch you, what's the fun in that? Instead they play with you much like a cat does with a mouse. Ruining every aspect of your life, your health, souring friendships, everything. They pass sentance then use the powers that be to action that sentance. The police, the judicial system are all set against you. I used to get the police knock on my door at 8pm at night ot pictkup money for parking offenses. If you get a job, pressure will be put on your boss to get rid of you nomatter how good you are.

I set up this site

www.murderingmasons.co.uk

The method they use is predicatable, if you feel that they are messing with you, please let me know.

Regards

Stan

Oh and please don't think he must of deserved it, i've led a good life and have kindnedd instilled through every molecule of my body. This was nasty and did not deserve their response.


Stan,

Sorry to waste the space, but I have read and re-read this post and I can only...and partially quote my favorite monkey-shriner Mirthful Me.

...so here goes....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by LTD602
I loved that episode, Majic.


1) Patrick Stewart was a dead-on natural for that part. But heck, is there an august male role he isn't a dead-on natural for?

2) Mirthful Me is, without a doubt, my favorite monkey. With that little fez on, he's just adorable!

3) For the paranoid, I am not, nor have I ever been a Stonecutter. Well, except for that one time, in Band Camp...

4) Scared of the Masons? Then talk to some. I mean for the love of Jeebus, people, they don't bite! Talk to a few masons and you'll see that they are not the ones to fear, but rather the CIA and the Beta Reticuloids, like we knew all along.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 02:40 AM
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Nothing personal guys, but you are like a pack of wolves here.


I resemble that remark.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
which tenets (and tenants, AK) were formed with Masonic teachings in mind.


Hey, you all live in the States, and pay rent to your government, no? Hence, you are tenants


Kidding. Making spelling mistakes is like giving birth to a litter of frogs -- do it once, and people just won't drop it



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 05:18 AM
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All I can say about this website is that it pretty much reads exactly like my life.
He does seem to not realise the real root of the problem though, it is unlikely that he has a tracking device on his car - it is more likely that he has several "friends" who are actively informing on him.
I have had friends join the Masons even after I warned them about what was going on in the lodge - 6 months later they are informing on me to get a leg up to the higher degrees.

As far as the symbols - peg and acorn, I get these sorts of things as well but the symbols are unique to the invidual, for some (probably infantile)reason, toilets featured predominantly in my current harrasment schedule.

The whole mechanic story is very true, it is often the case with plumbing or any other things that are prone to failure as well.

The employment story likewise.



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by MrNECROS
toilets featured predominantly in my current harrasment schedule.


Do you think that could be because you're so full of #?











*sorry mods. it's worth a warn. i just couldn't resist it*



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by MrNECROS
The employment story likewise.


Are you sure it's Freemasons? Are you sure it's not just that you can't get a job?



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Are you sure it's Freemasons? Are you sure it's not just that you can't get a job?


I've been a conspiracy theory fan for many years, so this is nothing new to me at all. Conspiracy theories are a fun hobby, but make a terrible religion. Some folks seem to forget this.

One of the characteristics of conspiracy theory is its attraction for those who believe they are being persecuted. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you, but it also doesn’t mean that they are out to get you, either.

While I have no doubt that there are, in fact, people who really are being harassed by others for some reason or another, I become skeptical when the charge is leveled against shadowy, impersonal organizations. The problem in these cases is always one of motive.

Sure, maybe the CIA really does see a need to plant a tracking device in your glasses, but the underlying and critical question to be answered is “why?”.

In the example here, the individual making the charge was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic living homeless on the streets of New York City. His “persecutor” was the CIA, and he was convinced that they were tracking his every movement, reading his mind and planting suggestions in his head using their “mind rays”.

While the CIA may, in fact, have one or more of these technologies (see MKULTRA in its late stages), what makes little sense is why the CIA would take any interest at all in the wanderings of a street schizophrenic. No doubt, their technology could be used against more profitable targets, and it is truly unlikely that the CIA would take continuing interest in anyone for over twenty years, like this man claimed, especially in light of the fact that he was in no position to be of use to them at all, even as a “lab rat“.

The common theme among the paranoid is an unshakable belief that they are “special” and have special knowledge or special abilities that their persecutors want to suppress. So they are constantly badgered and hounded by their shadowy persecutors, who are universally so adept at their work that they never leave any physical or objective evidence of their evil schemes.

The fact that the paranoid are not simply murdered and disposed of by their enemies is usually explained away: “if they kill me, then everyone else will know I was right” or “that would be too easy, they want to torture me“. In fact, almost the exact opposite is more often true. They would simply be forgotten, because they have usually alienated anyone who might otherwise believe them.

Most people in positions of power with jobs to do and lives of their own simply don‘t have time to waste torturing someone. That doesn’t mean vindictive people don’t abound, but it’s important to realize that vindictiveness doesn’t come cheap. Such people are necessarily self-limiting: wasting time torturing old foes does not advance anyone’s career. Even a professional torturer would need to move on eventually.

There are many ways to spot paranoid delusions. The classic ones include “voices in my head”, television news anchors “speaking directly to me”, “everyone is out to get me”, “they are following me or tracking me”, “they leave signs only I can see”, every personal failure or misfortune in their lives is caused by their persecutors, etc. The common thread: it’s always about me. They spend all their time and effort doing this to me.

Probably the best way to narrow it down is the simplest: paranoids are almost always loners. They may not start out this way, but sooner or later, a truly paranoid person will end up alone, convinced that everyone they have ever known -- family, friends, coworkers, acquaintances, the supermarket bag boy -- is somehow out to get them and has or soon will betray them.

If you match this description, bear in mind that I have no way of knowing who you are, even though you may already be speculating that I do. So don’t take my word for it. If you really think everyone is out to get you, look into paranoia (on the Internet and in libraries, and no, this information was not planted there to trick you) and try to realize that there are many others out there with the same problem.

If you think you may be paranoid in some way or another, you should know that paranoia is extremely difficult to understand and overcome as an individual. Sadly, you will also probably counter any attempt by others to help you, because, of course, you’ll be convinced that they are themselves out to get you.

If you are paranoid, you no doubt have been ridiculed about it, probably a lot. Indeed this is because the behavior of paranoids can be outwardly comical, although it is, in truth, terribly tragic. Naturally, such ridicule will further convince you that “they are out to get you”.

I cannot say whether those who claim to be persecuted by masons are paranoid or not, but I can say that I get concerned when I see the signs.

I am not a mason, but what I know about masons leads me to think that most of the pernicious activities attributed to them are simply not plausible. They have and do better things with their time.

Does that mean some lodge or another cannot be “renegade” and indulge in such behavior? Definitely not, but if it were discovered by their organization as a whole, I would not want to be in their shoes. Prosecution would be almost mandatory, and compensation of any victims would be an absolute must. Obeying civil and criminal law is a value held by every mason I have ever heard of.

So there it is, a long monologue about paranoia in yet another “freemason conspiracy” thread. Hopefully, those who are not paranoid might come to understand the miserable lot of those who are. It’s truly heartbreaking. While the temptation to poke fun at the paranoid is almost irresistible (to me, as well), once you realize someone may truly be paranoid and not pulling your leg, the only moral thing to do is to try to help them, although doing so is almost impossible over the Internet.

But hopefully, though hope itself may seem futile, those who are themselves paranoid might somehow come to realize that maybe they really are paranoid, or at least showing some signs of it, and maybe, just maybe, find the courage to take the first step to do something about healing themselves, and rejoin family, friends and loved ones as they seek to take back the lives they have so tragically lost.

If this could be you, I wish you nothing but the very best!

Paranoid Personality Disorder

Paranoid Schizophrenia

Google Search for “Paranoid”


[edit on 8/14/2004 by Majic]



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 05:41 PM
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or a clue... lol

You know, its kind of pathetic, the whining of the terminally incapable... they want to blame everyone else for their problems rather than looking into the mirror for the REAL source of their challenges...

Mrnecros is so full of it. Masons don't recruit. Period. Nor do we need "points" to "ascend" to higher degrees. The whole premise on which he posts, especially his confusion of Rosicrucians and Masonry is especilly telling.

unfortunately, in my years as a mason, I have so far met with only three of these guys... Mrnecros, neonhelmet and Samael Moser who seriously try to ascribe their pathetic lives to masonic interference...



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