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reply posted on 30-7-2011 @ 11:50 AM by Uncinus
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Find me one of those articles that has anything to do with the weather. Maybe you are confusing space weather with tropospheric weather?

en.wikipedia.org...

Weather is the state of the atmosphere, to the degree that it is hot or cold, wet or dry, calm or stormy, clear or cloudy. Most weather phenomena occur in the troposphere, just below the stratosphere.

Weather is driven by density (temperature and moisture) differences between one place and another.


en.wikipedia.org...

Space weather is the concept of changing environmental conditions in near-Earth space or the space from the Sun's atmosphere to the Earth's atmosphere. It is distinct from the concept of weather within the Earth's planetary atmosphere (troposphere and stratosphere). Space Weather is the description of changes in the ambient plasma, magnetic fields, radiation and other matter in space.


Space weather only has a slight indirect effect on regular weather:

en.wikipedia.org...

The amount of energy entering the troposphere and stratosphere from all space weather phenomena is trivial compared to the solar insolation in the visible and infra-red portions of the solar electromagnetic spectrum. However there does seem to be some linkage between the 11 year sunspot cycle and the Earth's climate.[24] For example, the Maunder minimum, a 70 year period almost devoid of sunspots, correlates to a cooling of the Earth's climate. One suggestion for the linkage between space and terrestrial weather is that changes in cosmic ray flux cause changes in the amount of cloud formation.[25] Another suggestion is that variations in the EUV flux subtlety influence existing drivers of the climate and tips the balance between states such as the El Niño/La Niña states.[26] However, a linkage between space weather and the climate has not been demonstrated conclusively.



reply posted on 1-8-2011 @ 08:59 AM by subject x
reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight


It's based on bad science, paranoia, and ignorance.
I'm pretty sure we can blame Nick Begich for jump starting things with the book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP".


reply posted on 2-8-2011 @ 02:14 AM by TheOneYouFearIsRight
Originally posted by subject x
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It's based on bad science, paranoia, and ignorance.
I'm pretty sure we can blame Nick Begich for jump starting things with the book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP".



So basically what you are saying is, Haarp pretty much doesn't do any of the things that all these people claim that it does?

So, why the drama over it?


reply posted on 2-8-2011 @ 03:50 PM by subject x
reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight


That, I can't answer. Who knows why people need to believe in stuff like that.
It's one of the drawbacks of the internet. Anyone can make anything up, put it on the web, and there will be people who believe it, repeat it, and continue to spread it.


reply posted on 2-8-2011 @ 10:39 PM by TheOneYouFearIsRight
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I think you are right... So, I decided to try it for myself!




reply posted on 3-8-2011 @ 11:46 PM by Phage
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Not so much the atmosphere...the ionosphere.
How long has the DOD been interested?
Ever since the DOD has been interested in long range communications.
Ever since the DOD has been interested in long range detection.
Ever since the DOD has been interested in surveillance.
Ever since the DOD has been interested in preventing others from using all of the above against us.



reply posted on 4-8-2011 @ 01:17 AM by TheOneYouFearIsRight
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So, how does cooking up the ionosphere help us with comm/detection?

Other than some nifty aurora lighting, I don't see a ton of practical applications for it.


reply posted on 4-8-2011 @ 01:22 AM by Phage
reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight


You don't know how the ionosphere affects communications yet you claim that HAARP must be up to no good.
Swell.


reply posted on 4-8-2011 @ 01:58 AM by TheOneYouFearIsRight
Originally posted by Phage
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You don't know how the ionosphere affects communications yet you claim that HAARP must be up to no good.
Swell.


Never made that claim... only made the claim that the ats chatter about Haarp had all but droppped off.

So, aside from short wave and ham radio utilizing the ionosphere, what other great strides in communications can be made by cooking the ionosphere?


reply posted on 4-8-2011 @ 11:03 AM by TeslaandLyne
www.haarp.alaska.edu...

study of upper atmospheric and solar-terrestrial physics and Radio Science


its a study

used to stimulate small, well-defined volumes of ionosphere


it stimulates

within the auroral zone


Where large currents from the Sun move the Earth

. By the time it reaches the ionosphere, the intensity of the HF signal is less than 3 microwatts (0.000003 watt) per cm2, thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less, even, than the variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere


They can't be making Tesla waves thats for sure.
No Tunguskas for HAARP.
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