Woman Gropes TSA Agent's Breast at Security Checkpoint

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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

reply to post by SFA437

As for sexual assault- if someone gives me permission to have sex with them, then it is not rape. If someone gives me permission to play with their boobs it is not sexual assault. Nobody is FORCING people to submit to TSA searches- there is CHOICE involved.

 


I have a feeling if you put a sign outside your house that said "anyone who enters consents to sex", you might have a few people challenging your rules.

Especially if your house is one of the only things between a person and their destination.


So your contention is that the TSA is preventing people from driving, taking a bus, taking a train, flying charter or general aviation, taking a boat.....




posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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SPREAD THE WORD!!! The Word is JURY NULLIFICATION!!!!! We will not allow ANYONE to be punished for taking such action!!! It is our right to refuse to convict anyone for breaking a law that we feel to be unjust. We will see things change pretty fast when these arsehole realize that you can't convict anyone for giving an agent a retalliatory grope. In this case, we really do still have the power to stop this #e.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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The "take other transportation" argument is a lame one.

Don't try to justify the illegal with the inane.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by SFA437

Originally posted by boncho

reply to post by SFA437

As for sexual assault- if someone gives me permission to have sex with them, then it is not rape. If someone gives me permission to play with their boobs it is not sexual assault. Nobody is FORCING people to submit to TSA searches- there is CHOICE involved.

 


I have a feeling if you put a sign outside your house that said "anyone who enters consents to sex", you might have a few people challenging your rules.

Especially if your house is one of the only things between a person and their destination.


So your contention is that the TSA is preventing people from driving, taking a bus, taking a train, flying charter or general aviation, taking a boat.....


Can't take a bus, car, train to other continents can you...

And charter...


All U.S. scheduled and non-scheduled (charter) airlines must adhere to FAA, DOT, TSA and other regulatory agencies' requirements governing safety, security, ...
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Boats...


Everyone should use boats...



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Say, you got me to thinking, are they going to feel up thousands of cruisers every weekend?

I mean, cruise ships are at risk, right?



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by 2012srb
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Say, you got me to thinking, are they going to feel up thousands of cruisers every weekend?

I mean, cruise ships are at risk, right?


The irony, is that some of the highest risk when dealing with security has to do entirely with boats....


I'm actually surprised they haven't targeted that for personalized searches yet.

Edit:

They've talked about it at least.


“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”

Napolitano’s comments, made a day before one of the nation’s busiest travel days, come in the wake of a public outcry over newly implemented airport screening measures that have been criticized for being too invasive.
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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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silly lady shouldn't have done that.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Very true.

You can take out a lot more people on a cruise ship.

Look what a simple virus does aboard ship.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by 2012srb
reply to post by SFA437
 


The "take other transportation" argument is a lame one.

Don't try to justify the illegal with the inane.


Please outline what is illegal with a consensual, voluntary search.

Don't confuse illegal with intrusive, hamhanded and ineffective



Originally posted by boncho
Can't take a bus, car, train to other continents can you...

And charter...


All U.S. scheduled and non-scheduled (charter) airlines must adhere to FAA, DOT, TSA and other regulatory agencies' requirements governing safety, security, ...
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Boats...


Everyone should use boats...


Charter airlines must provide screening but they use private companies which are subject to being fired so they behave like normal people and typically their searches are as minimally invasive as possible. I fly charter all the time and have yet to be patted down. Hand wanded with a metal detector when I beep going through the walk-though but never had my cojones juggled



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by kykweer
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The majority of Americans don't mind, but if you want an "us vs them" war, you should probably move to a middle eastern or african country.

America isn't so bad, least of all when they are just protecting their citizens.


Nobody asked Americans if they mind.

You don't speak for Americans, you are wrong and nothing but a liar spreading propaganda. I am an American and I not only mind but I am outraged.
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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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For explanations of my position I refer you to my previous posts.

I've been very clear about the TSA's procedures being fourth degree sexual assault in the state in which I live.

I quoted the precise statute.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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I would not want to be a TSA Agent....what if you had to pat down "feel" someone up and it turned out they had a loaded adult diaper..and got the nasty "crap" all over you.....yeah I'd quit.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by SFA437

TSA is an OPTION for airlines. They may, at will, hire private security to conduct security screenings. They do not because TSA is "free".


thanks for the info
i didn't realize there was a work around for it. i wonder how many others don't realize this loophole exists. i imagine it would be something that those who have access to the "freebies" for massive amounts of travels should get. it would also be good to have a sign by the searches stating something like "if you don't want to go through this come to (insert area where being done here), and have a private inspection done." wonder how many would opt for it? guess that depends on how much financial rape you are willing to put up with


so you have choices.... a pat down (which many seem to feel is sexual abuse
.....go through a scanner (not my favorite option given on how much we are generaly actualy told about possible side effects of this type of thing.......or can pay a private contractor to do the search.

you HAVE options exercise your rights on which form you want.


Flying is a CONVENIENCE not a "right". Airplanes are privately owned and if one wishes to utilize the property of others it is upon the individual to comply with the owner's wishes.


well really not the owners of the aircraft, but the owners of the airport, but absolutely correct all the same.


but hey don't we have the right to every little convenience like for instance driving



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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There is nothing voluntary about it - either you accept the search or you can no longer participate in commerce, business or pleasure that requires public air transport. It is a covert assault on the Freedom of Americans.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Regarding comparisons to freedom in Africa, et al -

-- Thousands of men died to bring freedom to Americans. It didn't just happen.

Those of you on-board with the TSA are just the kind of people who sat out the Revolution, then enjoyed the fruit of everyone else's labor.

You're prepared to p*** away everything America stands for so you don't have to be afraid to get on an airplane.

In my neck of the woods we call that cowardice.
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posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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think this woman has the right attitude about going thru the tsa inspections. she goes in her undies.
www.myfoxphoenix.com...


sure hope she's being sarcastic.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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reply to post by SFA437

Charter airlines must provide screening but they use private companies which are subject to being fired so they behave like normal people...

 



Do you read your posts before you post them?

So on one hand you are justifying what the TSA does, and on the other you are saying they are not normal. But private security firms act normal and with conscience...



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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TSA agents dont intentionally attempt to harm someone, as this woman did.


Ignorance is no excuse. Despite the fact that most of the TSA are low IQ'd individuals who don't understand what they are doing, that doesn't excuse that their latest methods of searching is harmful to human being personal dignity and well being.

Only the woman knows what her intentions were - you cannot speak for her.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Let's also not forget that when you give a job/industry certain kinds of powers it tends to attract the wrong crowd into its ranks:

Ahem...



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds


Did you REALLY just try and compare a TSA agent at an airport randomly searching a handful of people to guards at AUSHWITZ!!?????

Please, tell me, who is being forcefully corralled into airport terminals against their wishes, only to be indiscriminately gassed?

Your comparison is PATHETIC.


The comparison is spot on.

TSA agents are the guards at ASHWITZ today.





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