Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
As someone who has killed in combat, let me just say that what joy one derives from this act is not so much in the killing (at least, for me), it is
in a mission acccomplished and the effect that those who have given their lives for their cause will not have the opportunity to see that I die for
If those you killed in combat were truly our enemy, and were not provoked into being our enemy by our own actions, then I respect you for your service
to your country. However, seeing how limited your perspective is on the Iraq invasion, I doubt you have the political ken to be able to distinguish
between a real enemy, and someone your chain of command has decided is the enemy for misguided and self-serving reasons.
Let us remember that those whose lives were snuffed out in that instant were not a troop of Brownie Scouts on a field trip. Those were insurgents
hell-bent on denying Iraq a chance at democratic self-rule and in the process killing Americans and Iraqis.
Yes, perhaps that's true. What is your point?
Have you considered that perhaps democracy is not the right shoe for Iraq at this stage? Its a different culture and it has not developed democracy
of its own accord.
Even if bringing democracy to Iraq was the real reason for the invasion (which it certainly was not), what gives you the right to invade another land
to impose upon it your idea of good government? Do you you often tear off people's jeans and force them to put on ones two sizes above at gun point?
Do you often force Buddhists at gun point to sing psalms from the Bible? No... That would be crazy, wouldn't it?
If an alien civilization came to America and forced upon us what it believed to be a superior form of government: one which was particularly
culturally incompatible with our ways, you would be the first to fight them. Think about it.
I have little patience with those who distort the issues in Iraq and paint these insurgents as "freedom fighters." They were killers on their way to
Well then I suggest you grow some patience because you might just learn something. Look at your own sentence! You seem to believe that the fact that
they were killers on their way to kill makes it impossible for them to be freedom fighters. So what is it? Freedom fighters don't kill now? They
fight with flower arrangements and fairy wands? The reality is they ARE freedom fighters And killers.
It is a alliance of concepts you should understand well. Is it not true that you perceive yourself as simultaneously a force of good and a killer?
That's the chance every combatant takes.
That's right: the same chance you take when you go to battle. So because you took that chance, we should not feel loss when you get killed?
That's the reasoning you are trying to apply to these Iraqi insurgents who want you to get the hell out of their country and let them rule themselves
in THEIR way, not yours.
We call them the enemy because that what they are. If they were our friends, we wouldn't be killing them.
Have you ever heard of circular logic? If you haven't, you must simply be a natural master of it. What you just said is the same as saying: "the
sky is green because that is what it is - we wouldn't call it green if it wasn't green". A worthless and laughable way to make a point.
The fact is, in your line of work you are CONDITIONED to 'think' that way (if you can call it thinking). Someone else decides who the enemy is, and
you MUST follow this decision unquestioningly. Obviously, from the above statement you made, the conditioning has worked beautifully with you.
It's easy to be saintly from the safety your living room or your bedroom.
Noone is being saintly here, but some of us are being rational.
In the real world, it is often kill or be killed.
Yes, often it is. Can you demonstrate how that applies to this situation please?
If you love freedom, you should be very glad that men such as that pilot are out there putting their lives on the line for you.
Nonsense. I love freedom, so I despise that that pilot is out there opposing Iraqi self-determination, and perpetuating a vicious cycle of spiralling
into more terrorism, which in turn erodes our freedoms at home.