IT'S OFFICIAL: The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs Threatening Everyone

page: 9
23
<< 6  7  8    10  11 >>

log in

join

posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 02:49 PM
link   

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


If we destroy the world's economy through inaction, causing the greatest depression seen in history, extremists will rise to power around the world on a revolutionary wave of hate towards the US.

It wouldn't matter who was right or wrong from an ideological standpoint, e.g. Tea Party arguments, all that would matter is billions of pissed off and hate filled people that blamed the US for the collapse.

This is a clear case of perception is reality. You wouldn't be able to argue with them over taxes or the founding fathers, etc. They wouldn't give two craps about our grand history or philosophy and we could be totally right. Being right doesn't stop people with torches, rope, and pitchforks.

If we bring down the world economy this year, we need to be ready to fight and not just China or Russia, but the entire world. If we are not ready for essentially a barbarian horde in the event of a collapse, we will not survive.

On the other hand if we have been waiting on this moment the whole time to create Absolute Spectrum Dominance, the Third Reich may end up looking like Boy Scouts when its over with.
edit on 16/7/11 by MikeboydUS because: ie


Exactly. Glad someone else see ti, too. The 'ptb' desperately want a collapse, because it would mean TOTAL CONTROL for them.

Of course, this entire discussion is moot because EVERYONE knows the GOP will vote to raise the debt limit. They have already assured their Wal Street constituents as much.




posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 02:57 PM
link   

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Carseller4
 


unless of course, what the world thinks has an effect on the repubs constituents....

We do not live in a vacuum


No, we live in a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY, something obviously you don't know what it means.

Spiegel is just "playing favorites"... of course Spiegel will blame Republicans, you think they would blame Obama and his administration the fact that they have "lost" more money than during ALL administrations of U.S. Presidents put together?... Of course not... they want to blame those who want the spending to stop...

The higher the debt ceiling will be raised, the HIGHER AND HARDER THE FALL will be...

We do not live in a global dictatorship, and when your socialist NWO dream comes true there will be millions, if not billions of us fighting against it anyway we can.

edit on 16-7-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:00 PM
link   
reply to post by Bramble Iceshimmer
 


You wont be able to "reset" anything. China will just take over the financial world and you will be a lot poorer!!



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:00 PM
link   
When we're no longer sending out foreign aid to 184 out of approx. 200 countries worldwide (depending on whose count you go by), then I'll be more inclined to listen to their points of view when it comes to how to run a country. (source) As it is, it seems to me that there isn't a country on this planet that doesn't have some sort of crisis going on at home and perhaps they should make sure their own house is clean before they come and try to give ours the white glove test.

What sickens me most is how people on this site are still grasping at any reason to keep the democrat vs. republican fight going. Seriously, get over the finger pointing already and start coming up with solutions that don't involve insults and shifting blame. I know it's easier to just fling mud and point fingers, but it's not doing anything to resolve our issues as a country. I would think that people on this site of all places would understand that.


edit on 7/16/2011 by Jenna because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:00 PM
link   
I have to agree with the whole world that most of the U.S. elected Republican's are crazy and maniacal.

The Republican mental condition, I'll label as - "Just say no" to anything that a democratic president proposes; even though some of these proposal's by Obama, have been overly generous to the Republicans.

This Republican mental condition, probably started with the resignation of President Nixon; because ever since- The Repub's have been trying to cause every Democratic president to resign, be impeached, declared an illegal candidate; or with the intention of causing to disrupt the U.S. and world economies with economic havoc.

"At this late stage, this plan is a dangerous delusion suggesting that the House leadership regards the gravity of a default as seriously as it does global warming. Perhaps it didn't notice that Standard & Poor's, the rating agency, said on Thursday that the failure to raise the debt ceiling would most likely have 'detrimental and long lasting' effects on economic growth."

Quote from: NYT, EDITORIALS, Saturday, July 16, 2011



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:01 PM
link   
The whole world thinks we Americans in general are dangerous maniacs not just Republicans. Then again the majority of the rest of the world points their almighty fingers at us constantly, all the while refusing to look in their own mirror. I suspect their hypocritical nature stems from a long history of blood-lust themselves.
Ironic really when you think about what the rest of the world says about us Americans.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by Jenna


What sickens me most is how people on this site are still grasping at any reason to keep the democrat vs. republican fight going. Seriously, get over the finger pointing already and start coming up with solutions that don't involve insults and shifting blame. I know it's easier to just fling mud and point fingers, but it's not doing anything to resolve our issues as a country. I would think that people on this site of all places would understand that.


edit on 7/16/2011 by Jenna because: (no reason given)


Really? This surprises you? ATS is basically a hotbed for far right Republican(-in hiding, as they all claim to be Libertarians now) propaganda these days. This thread is just yet another of a long line of examples of this glaringly obvious tendency.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:05 PM
link   

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
of course Spiegel will blame Republicans, you think they would blame Obama and his administration the fact that they have "lost" more money than during ALL administrations of U.S. Presidents put together?... Of course not... they want to blame those who want the spending to stop...

Are you saying the Republicans want the 'spending to stop'?

Since when?

This entire topic is a joke, because WE ALL KNOW the GOP will vote to raise the debt limit. They love their wars and subsidies as much as the democrats.

People on ATS who seem to think Republicans are actually interested in fiscal restraint are apparently afflicted by a VERY short memory.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:08 PM
link   
reply to post by centurion1211
 


No but the whole world has lent you $14 Trillion and we want to be sure you are going to pay it back!! Squabbling over rich people paying more tax does not make you look very responsible.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:11 PM
link   
reply to post by HunkaHunka
 


Personaly speaking, I cannot say that I have any animosity to the USA in general, or the large majority of its occupants, legal or otherwise.

The real problem I have is with the leadership of the USA , and I do not mean Obama, or the allegedly ruling party. I mean the whole sorry, stinking , gutless MESS that is the government of the USA. Its the same problem I have with my own government.

Essentialy the US , like my own nation, is run almost exclusively by people who , wether it has been demonstrated or not at this time, are likely the most amoral lumps of walking butt chocolate ever accumulated in one spot, whose interests are NOT those of the people, but centred around CONTROLING the nation, rather than enacting the orders of the people.

Now, I wont pretend to understand the full weight of the actions of the Republicans at this juncture, and what those actions may mean for the future of the world. I have no love for the status quo, and for better or worse,I would LOVE to see the whole sorry mess collapse, but theres no way for that to happen without a lot of innocent people getting hurt, so any hint of a schism with the power to sunder and destroy the workings of the money markets at this point, concerns me.

However, nothing is black and white, and as we here on ATS know better than any pundit or news media figure, nothing is what it seems, and you can never tell enough about present events, until years have been had to pick at the guts of a situation. Take this Phone Hacking issue with the News of The World in the UK, and the involvement of other Murdoch publications in such events (which have caused the FBI to begin to investigate his publications in the US as well).

The issue was first raised years ago, but only NOW after four years since the whole thing came up the first time, are we learning that things are worse than anyone feared at the time. A whole DYNASTY is at risk of utter collapse, one of the oldest and most read newspapers in the UK has gone to the wall, the Prime Minister is looking dumb for hiring Andy Coulson the ex editor of NoTW as his communications director. He got the job on the 11th of May 2010, and then resigned amid a media storm in January of this year.

What I am trying to do by mentioning this scenario, is illustrate that even as bad as things may be at the moment, and as bad as people may think of the folks who are pulling the strings and upsetting the applecart, the chances are that the facts that will come out later, will make this little territorial phallus waving excersize look like tea and cakes at the local deli.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:12 PM
link   

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Really? This surprises you?


No, what surprises me is that they still haven't let it go and moved on to the solution-finding. The horse died years ago, it's time to get a new one if people continue to feel the urge to beat on something.


ATS is basically a hotbed for far right Republican(-in hiding, as they all claim to be Libertarians now) propaganda these days. This thread is just yet another of a long line of examples of this glaringly obvious tendency.


It's ironic that you say that in a far-left thread posted with the intentions of blaming republicans for everything and filled with posts doing just that while painting democrats as blameless. Both sides suck, we get it, can we move on to finding solutions now to our ever-increasing list of problems? Or is this the best that the minds of ATS can come up with now? It's rather disappointing and disheartening to take a 6-month hiatus only to come back and discover that the exact same people are saying the exact same things whilst trying to demonize the other side of the political aisle. You'd think people would get tired of repeating themselves eventually, but apparently not.
edit on 7/16/2011 by Jenna because: Forgot to close the quote tags.
edit on 7/16/2011 by Jenna because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:15 PM
link   
reply to post by ispyed
 


We only owe the world around $4 trillion.

The other $10 trillion we borrowed from ourselves, most of it, $6 trillion, from the Federal Reserve.

Maybe the Fed will forclose on the US.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:19 PM
link   

Originally posted by Jenna


It's ironic that you say that in a far-left thread posted with the intentions of blaming republicans for everything and filled with posts doing just that while painting democrats as blameless.


I'm not sure this could be considered 'far right', but you cant deny that ATS s, in general, VERY far to the right. I am not defending the Democrats, and I grow weary of people who think criticism of the GOP equals being a Demeocrat.


Both sides suck, we get it, can we move on to finding solutions now to our ever-increasing list of problems? Or is this the best that the minds of ATS can come up with now? It's rather disappointing and disheartening to take a 6-month hiatus only to come back and discover that the exact same people are saying the exact same things whilst trying to demonize the other side of the political aisle. You'd think people would get tired of repeating themselves eventually, but apparently not.
edit on 7/16/2011 by Jenna because: Forgot to close the quote tags.
edit on 7/16/2011 by Jenna because: (no reason given)


Yeah, I agree its annoying. All it takes are one or two rabid partisans on either of the 'sides' to derail it into stupidity.

So what are the real solutions, in your mind, that you would like to see discussed?



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:20 PM
link   
reply to post by Jenna
 


Amen Jenna,

Didn't Obama promise Egypt 2 billion?



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:25 PM
link   

Originally posted by ispyed
reply to post by centurion1211
 


No but the whole world has lent you $14 Trillion and we want to be sure you are going to pay it back!! Squabbling over rich people paying more tax does not make you look very responsible.


Lol how about the US go back and send bills out to countries we gave money to and did not require them to pay it back.

Most of Europe, in todays dollars, would be paying out the butt on the money we gave them to rebuild after WWII.

If countries want to play that game we can, but you will find out most countries wont be able to repay those amounts.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:29 PM
link   

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
I'm not sure this could be considered 'far right', but you cant deny that ATS s, in general, VERY far to the right.


It swings back and forth really depending on the season, time of day, and the thread. Six months ago most threads were so far to the left I almost fell out of my chair trying to tilt my head far enough to make sense of them. Six months before that it was the same thing, but to the right. This site gives me whiplash sometimes.




I am not defending the Democrats, and I grow weary of people who think criticism of the GOP equals being a Demeocrat.


Me too. The reverse is migraine-inducing as well.


So what are the real solutions, in your mind, that you would like to see discussed?


Honestly? Programs that could be cut to make up for some of our budget shortfall. What, if any, additional taxes or tax increases would be beneficial while avoiding going so far into the realm of unreasonable so as to make people give them an automatic no, or if minor tax decreases really would stimulate economic growth as I've heard some claim. Ways to prevent the government from adding additional expenditures when we don't have additional income to offset them. You know, the things our government should be discussing if they weren't busy doing the same things posters here are doing. I could start a thread on it, but given how things are pretty much the same "I know you are but what am I" nonsense that they were six months ago I have little hope of such a thread lasting more than an hour before the children descended to wreak havoc.



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:31 PM
link   
reply to post by simone50m
 



BOTH parties are a bunch of diabolical lying greedy possessed psychopaths. Lets throw ALL those BUMS out!!!


My Gosh, I think he's got it!!!!


Here is an example of how the US political system ACTUALLY works:


Dwayne Orville Andreas.... is one of the most prominent political campaign donors[1] in the United States, having contributed millions of dollars to Democratic and Republican candidates alike.... he was in the leadership of Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), the largest processor of farm commodities in the United States, ....

In 1972 Andreas unlawfully contributed $25,000 to President Nixon's re-election campaign via Watergate burglar Bernard Barker. Other recipients of Andreas's "tithing" — as he puts it — have included George H. W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, Michael Dukakis, Jesse Jackson, and Jack Kemp....
en.wikipedia.org...


And GEE what do you know we get the World Trade Organization Agreement on Ag in 1995 and international HACCP in 1996. HACCP remove government oversight in corporate facilities and the CDC records I looked at showed a more than doubled increase in food borne illness after 1997.


.....Based on the idea that the plant operator knows the plant better than the USDA, the responsibility for designing an inspection system was turned over to each individual plant.

.... USDA “officials initially described HACCP to the industry in the mid-90’s, the agency made the following enticing promises:

* “Under HACCP, the agency will no longer police the industry, but the industry will police itself.
* “Under HACCP, the agency will disband its previous command and control authority.
* “Under HACCP, each plant will write its own HACCP Plan, and the agency cannot tell plants what must be in their HACCP Plans.”

....As a result, the inspector was no longer responsible for what was happening on the plant floor: that was left to company personnel. The new role of the inspector was to make sure that plant personnel were carrying out their duties in a manner consistent with the HACCP plan. In many cases this amounted to making sure that all of the paper work was in the proper order....” www.agpolicy.org...


When the Corporations were finally caught the USDA shielded the big corporations and so did CONGRESS! Shielding the Giants is a MUST READ detailing the history of the cover-up of food borne diseases caused by the big corporations.

This is collaborating information:
Senate Hearings
Testimony by Mr. Stan Painter, Chairman, National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals:

Hearing where Stan Painter is called a LIAR by the government. (In a round about way of course)



The Biofuel law (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 ) goes into effect and Archer Daniels Midland cleans up big time on biofuel.


...Today three companies, Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill, and Bunge control the world’s grain trade. Chemical giant Monsanto controls three-fifths of seed production. Unsurprisingly, in the last quarter of 2007, even as the world food crisis was breaking, Archer Daniels Midland’s profits jumped 20%, Monsanto 45%, and Cargill 60%. Recent speculation with food commodities has created another dangerous “boom.” After buying up grains and grain futures, traders are hoarding, withholding stocks and further inflating prices.... www.globalissues.org...


The final move was the Food "Safety
" Modernization act that turned control of the US food supply over to the World Trade Organization.

The IPC and Dan Amstutz, VP of Cargill wrote the WTO Agreement on Ag

2001 Issues for the Agricultural Talks and WTO Trade Round: “The un-scientific so-called “precautionary principle” is unfortunately being successfully and constantly misused as justification to immobilize science and its applications, as well as to confuse the public....

...The internationalization of the food chain demands that identification, registration, tracking and tracing systems also become internationalized. After 31 years with Monsanto, Mr. Auxenfans, retired from the Monsanto Corporation at the end of 1999 as the former Chief Operating Officer (COO) of the Agricultural Division, and its Chairman for the Europe-Africa operations. He is a member of the Board of Directors at both the IPC and the IAMA.” www.agbioworld.org...



AND now the WTO is shoving Monsanto's GMO food down the EU's throat even though the people DO NOT WANT IT. The World Trade Organisation has ruled against the EU in a case brought by the US and other nations against a de facto moratorium on genetically modified products.
Global Governance: Of What Use is Global Governance? by Pascal Lamy, Director, World Trade Organization (WTO): www.theglobaljournal.net...

REFERENCES: IPC & WTO:

smirkingchimp.com...
www.smirkingchimp.com...
www.smirkingchimp.com...



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 03:46 PM
link   
reply to post by pavil
 





If you think we can just keep spending ourselves out of this Depression/Recession then you are sadly mistaken. We just can't keep doing that and raising the debt ceiling to cover our addiction, soon our pushers will (China) will cut us off.


ERRRRRrrrr You are a little late on that one they already did.


Those pretty green slips of paper in your wallet commonly known as U.S. dollars are Federal Reserve Notes. Bank scrip. The Fed can print as much of it as it wants or needs to. With this in mind, consider that fully eighty percent (80%) of U.S. Treasuries (U.S. government debt) sold in 2009 were bought by the Fed because there were no other willing buyers. factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com...


And now the vultures (excuse me the IMF which we tax payers FUNDED) are gearing up to step in and run the USA. Right now they are starting with "suggestions"

...a recent IMF report: “Who Will Pay and How?” determined that under a moderate growth “baseline scenario, a full elimination of the fiscal and generational imbalances would require all taxes to go up and all transfers to be cut immediately and permanently by 35 percent.”

...Moody’s credit rating agency’s announcement that the United States of America is under review for a solvency downgrade, our nation is headed for a crisis...

....The day of reckoning to address the United States’ out-of-control federal budget deficits has arrived. The alternative is to continue on our current path of deficit spending and eventually suffer chaos and financial collapse... biggovernment.com... [/url]



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:06 PM
link   
reply to post by Kitilani
 





That makes sense. Instead of asking me to pay for my house all the time, why doesnt the bank just shut up and chip in?


I see you have FINALLY caught on! The entire debt to the bankers and FED is FRAUDULENT!

It was even tested in Court.

First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Daly (1969)

Mr. Morgan, the bank's president, took the stand. To everyone's surprise, Morgan admitted that the bank routinely created money "out of thin air" for its loans, and that this was standard banking practice. "It sounds like fraud to me," intoned Presiding Justice Martin Mahoney amid nods from the jurors. In his court memorandum, Justice Mahoney stated:


Plaintiff admitted that it, in combination with the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, . . . did create the entire $14,000.00 in money and credit upon its own books by bookkeeping entry. That this was the consideration used to support the Note dated May 8, 1964 and the Mortgage of the same date. The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this. A lawful consideration must exist and be tendered to support the Note.

www.webofdebt.com...




This evidence from 1939 gives a very concise view of how 1% of the population transferred wealth from the other 99% of the population directly into their pockets. And Bernanke just switched from Alan Greenspan's teaspoon to a fleet of bucket loaders!


Appendix E – Money Is Created by Banks Evidence Given by Graham Towers

Some of the most frank evidence on banking practices was given by Graham F. Towers, Governor of the Central Bank of Canada (from 1934 to 1955), before the Canadian Government's Committee on Banking and Commerce, in 1939. Its proceedings cover 850 pages. (Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence Respecting the Bank of Canada, Ottawa, J.O. Patenaude, I.S.O., Printer to the King's Most Excellent Majesty, 1939.) Most of the evidence quoted was the result of interrogation by Mr. “Gerry” McGeer, K.C., a former mayor of Vancouver, who clearly understood the essentials of central banking. Here are a few excerpts:

Q. But there is no question about it that banks create the medium of exchange?

Mr. Towers: That is right. That is what they are for... That is the Banking business, just in the same way that a steel plant makes steel. (p. 287)

The manufacturing process consists of making a pen-and-ink or typewriter entry on a card in a book. That is all. (pp. 76 and 238)

Each and every time a bank makes a loan (or purchases securities), new bank credit is created — new deposits — brand new money. (pp. 113 and 238)

Broadly speaking, all new money comes out of a Bank in the form of loans.

As loans are debts, then under the present system all money is debt. (p. 459)


Q. When $1,000,000 worth of bonds is presented (by the government) to the bank, a million dollars of new money or the equivalent is created?

Mr. Towers: Yes.

Q. Is it a fact that a million dollars of new money is created?

Mr. Towers: That is right.

Q. Now, the same thing holds true when the municipality or the province goes to the bank?

Mr. Towers: Or an individual borrower.
www.michaeljournal.org...

The Average credit card debt per household is $14,687 this does not include education loans, car loans and house mortgages. 97% of the US money supply is in the form of banks loans.- Interesting that the US dollar has lost 96% of its value since the Federal Reserve Act.


If you have any doubts at all about the CRIMINAL INTENT of those who conspired on Jekyll Island to bring about the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Here are the words of the organizer:


Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none is so effectual as that which deludes them with paper money. It is the most perfect expedient ever invented for fertilizing the rich man’s fields by the sweat of the poor man’s brow. Ordinary tyranny, oppression, excessive taxation, these bear lightly on the happiness of the community compared with fraudulent currencies and the robberies committed by depreciated paper. [inflation cv] Our own history has recorded enough, and more than enough, of the demoralizing tendency, the injustice and intolerable oppression on the virtuous and well disposed, of a degraded paper currency, authorized by law, or in any way countenanced by Government. ~Nelson W. Aldrich, United States Senator, at a New York City dinner speech on October 15, 1913 IV Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science #1, at 38 (Columbia University, New York (1914)). [He was quoting Andrew Jackson. cv] www.linuxtoday.com...



What has always amazed me is how ANYONE could defend these looters and thieves AND their puppets in CONGRESS!



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 04:09 PM
link   

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Are you saying the Republicans want the 'spending to stop'?

Since when?

This entire topic is a joke, because WE ALL KNOW the GOP will vote to raise the debt limit. They love their wars and subsidies as much as the democrats.

People on ATS who seem to think Republicans are actually interested in fiscal restraint are apparently afflicted by a VERY short memory.


Real Republicans like Ron Paul do want the spending to stop.

I am not talking about the RINOs (Republicans In Name Only), but the REAL Republicans who want smaller government, less spending, and for our administrations to actually respect and abide by the U.S. Constitution.

That's what I am talking about.





new topics
top topics
 
23
<< 6  7  8    10  11 >>

log in

join