Hate for the Jews

reply to post by wcitizen


Erm. You quote a rabbi expressing his personal opinions, yet say his words represent the Talmud.

...fyi - Any man's opinion is just his opinion - NOT the word of God.




...It would be good to provide a reliable source for the quotes too.

reply to post by wcitizen


And thats the opinion of one Rabbi.

I have a friend, Rabbi Greenbaum, whos associated with the Temple Institute, the renewed Sanhedrin, aswell as runs his own organization - Azamra.org.

I asked him about these comments of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and what he thought of it.He basically denounced his comments, and was overall confused at what would incite him to speak as he did. Nonetheless, he couldnt resist - being an observant Jew who tries to oberserve the law of holy speech, to speak very highly of his Rabbinc credentials and mental sagacity.

Nonethless, these comments were obviously very stupid and very offensive.

I am a gentile and i chewed out the ear of a few Rabbis over this slur of Ovadia Yosef. Frankly, something doesnt seem right about Rav Yosef, or his sons; there is something strange with that group.

But alas, this plagues every religious group, and every group in general. Bad people can be found everywhere.

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you got an inventive mind.

reply to post by dontreally

True, but off topic.
Still a great website to check out.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Erm. You quote a rabbi expressing his personal opinions, yet say his words represent the Talmud.

...fyi - Any man's opinion is just his opinion - NOT the word of God.




...It would be good to provide a reliable source for the quotes too.

FYI they are almost word for word what is written in the Talmud.

reply to post by dontreally


Knowing can't harm people, only actions can

If you fail to get a job, sure, look at the reasons, but dwelling on them won't help. This constant "why do people hate Jews" mantra isn't solving anything. Neither is calling people insane. Wow, you must be smart if you call others who you don't agree with insane

You see, I don't "study" gnosis, I have experienced it first hand in meditation.

"Spare me the crocodile tears.."

Nice, you stole this line from Norman Finkelstein

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by patternfinder

 

ex kkk, he's not one any longer and he makes alot of sense....of course jewish people won't like him because he's spilling the beans...was he wrong about the jewish slave trade? where it was jewish ships and captains that went down to africa and transported the africans back to america to be sold as slaves? tell me, was he wrong?

Oh..Im sorry. "Former" klu kulx klansman...LOL?

Are you serious? Anyone who was a grand dragon in the klu klux klan, whose basic philosophy is white supremacy and bases itself largely on a satanic/gnostic philosophy, loses all credibility.

These people thrive with lying, and decieving others. And here you are, rewarding them with your naive praise.

As for the information in the books he quotes. Information is intangible, and so can easily be tampered with. There are people who write books about the evils in the Talmud, and as somebody who has read much Talmud, is a non Jew, and who has read alot of Jewish literature in general, i am completely amazed with the slander and base misrepresentation of Judaism through mistranslations, editting, or completely altering Talmudic texts. Even those Texts in the Talmud which do speak negatively of non-Jews, are still contradicted by the code of Jewish Law, the Shulchan Aruch, and by pretty much every Jewish books on Mussar - ethics.

Some Jews may infact be rude to non-Jews, but they are not evil people planning to take over the world as this repulsive satanist Robert Byrd claims they are..

Even common sense should make clear that the Catholic Church is mostly to blame for the mass murder of Native Americans. And even if there were Jews involved in the slave trade. Big deal. There were more Christians, undoubtedly involved in it aswell. It was neither a "christian" nor a Jewish trade. It was big money. That is all. Trade is the only thing egotstical human beings care for, because it means a big payday. There were many Jews in Spain, Portugal, England and the Netherlands who would have thrown in their hat, because tend to excel most in business. Another one of their unfortunate talents.

the slave auctions were shut down on jewish holidays because they were celebrating their holidays, what does that tell you about how jewish the slave trade was? just do a simple google search, and here's a nice little excerpt of what you'll find....

source

The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book Jews and Judaism in the United States a Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.


"Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.


"This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent."

The elite hate any thing that contains truth. They hate true Christians, as well as true Jews. They would rather have a closet homosexual who openly spits on gays while endorsing the death penalty while opposing abortion while supporting war while leaving veterans to die on the streets than a true Christian who believes in a higher power and generally wants to do good for society. The elite would rather have a wealthy milk cow Jewish lawyer who lives in an overpriced city as opposed to a Jew who is moral and humble and wise.

So in that sense I agree with you that the elite hate Jews, but they also hate Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, there's not too much they don't hate.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Erm. You quote a rabbi expressing his personal opinions, yet say his words represent the Talmud.
..fyi - Any man's opinion is just his opinion - NOT the word of God.

Ahem, FYI here's a similar quote from the Talmud:

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.Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”
end quote

The Talmud contains plenty more gems like that one!

...It would be good to provide a reliable source for the quotes too.

I hope the Global News Service for The Jewish People meets with your approval as a reliable source.
www.jta.org...



www.jta.org...

reply to post by filosophia


Yes, but you interpret it through the lens of a particular metaphysical doctrine, do you not???

I too have first hand experiential Gnosis of God.

All people do. But what are we to make of these experiences??

The episode in the Talmud explains this whole situation. Want an encapsulated explanation for why Judaism believes as it does. Here it is.

"Our Rabbis have taught, four entered into the Pardes. They were Ben Azai, Ben Zoma, Aher, and Rabbi Akiba. Ben Azai gazed and died. Of him it is written, "precious in the eyes of HaShem is the death of his pious ones" (Tehilim 116, 15). Ben Zoma gazed, and went insane. Of him, it is written, "have you found honey, eat your share lest you become full, and vomit it up.” (Mishlei 25, 16). Aher became an apostate. Rabbi Akiba entered, and exited in peace.”

Regarding Elisha Ben Abuya (Aher) who was considered one of the greatest Sages, yet he made a grievous error, this being the relationship between the "Yihud Elyon,” the supernal unity, and the "YIhud HaTahtone", the lower unity.

He thought that they were two separate ways of Divine providence. He thought that the entire Torah, and all the mitzvot are given (only) to those who have not yet perceived the "Yihud Elyon", but only the "Yihud HaTahtone.” For he thought "there is no King without a people" who would serve Him (G-d) and do as He wishes.

However, the one who been able to perceive the "Yihud Elyon,” [realizes] that there is nothing in existence other than G-d, and that all is nullified before Him. Therefore, there is no place for Torah, and mitzvot, for there really is not any free will (to merit reward or punishment).

Thus, Aher rebelled, meaning he thought that he now had the permission to violate the entire Torah, thinking that he was clinging to the "Yihud Elyon.” Even those actions which are the opposite of the HaShem's will, Elisha did not consider to be evil, for he already "knew" that all, already is HaShem, and there is none beside Him.

This mistaken view of his, which he considered turning the evil into good, is called "katzitz b'niti'yot" which means to "cut down the young saplings". What he "cut" was the union of the "Yihud Elyon,” and the "Yihud Tahtone.” He thought them to be two separate ways of Divine providence, and the one who perceives the one cannot perceive (observe) the other.

Elisha made a separation between the aspect of the Divine providence which flows necessarily because His Kingdom is in all places, and which is the sustenance of the manifested planes, and between the "Yihud Elyon" that all is in Him, and nullified before Him, because He is the Source. Yet, this separation is not HaShem's will, for in reality they are both one. This subject is very deep, and profound, how sustenance and nullification are really one and the same.”

Heres an explanation of it from Rav Ariel Bar Tzadok

Elisha Ben Abuya (Aher) had such great ability. Like Rabbi Akiba, he had the potential to enter, and exit the PaRDeS in peace. Elisha was able to experience the "Yihud Elyon" as did Ben Azai, and Ben Zoma before him.

Elisha was not persuaded to stay above, nor did he not integrate that which he experienced. Yet, his process of integrating the "Yihud Elyon" into consciousness was done at the expense of his integration with the "Yihud HaTahtone." In essence, instead of uniting them together, and joining the whole as one, Elisha simply exchanged one spiritual reality for another. By exchanging the realities of the "Yihud Tahtone," for the "Yihud Elyon," Elisha did not realize that not only was he not doing something good, but he was actually doing something bad.

Understand? A true God fearing person has Gnosis, but he also honors and respects the will of the creator in the lower world, by performing His will.....

And this is why they satirize the bible and make it to be pure nonsense, as if the very same essence werent present in other philosophies.

Paganism and Judaism differs on this one point. Judaism, of course, does not reject Gnosis, or the Ein Sof, or "the father", but they also do not neglect, or attempt to annul the law of God here on earth,

A very healthy, and balanced solution in my opinion.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by wcitizen

 

And thats the opinion of one Rabbi.

No, it's not the opinion of one rabbi. It is based on exactly what the Talmud says - and, what's more, this 'one rabbi' is not just any rabbi.

He is the spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Israeli parliament.

I have a friend, Rabbi Greenbaum, whos associated with the Temple Institute, the renewed Sanhedrin, aswell as runs his own organization - Azamra.org.

I asked him about these comments of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and what he thought of it.He basically denounced his comments, and was overall confused at what would incite him to speak as he did. Nonetheless, he couldnt resist - being an observant Jew who tries to oberserve the law of holy speech, to speak very highly of his Rabbinc credentials and mental sagacity.

Nonethless, these comments were obviously very stupid and very offensive.

They aren't comments, they are references to the Talmud, parts of which are so extremely offensive to non-Jews that most people wouldn't believe it unless they had read it themselves.

And what people don't get is that these beliefs about non-Jews, emanating from the Talmud, do actually underpin the policies and actions of the Zionists.

I am a gentile and i chewed out the ear of a few Rabbis over this slur of Ovadia Yosef. Frankly, something doesnt seem right about Rav Yosef, or his sons; there is something strange with that group.

But alas, this plagues every religious group, and every group in general. Bad people can be found everywhere.

There is also something very wrong too with the doctrinal statements in the Tamud about non-Jews.

They will never admit this to a non-Jew, of course, because, what do you know, the Talmud explicitly instructs them to hide these truths from the Goyim, by denying them and lying if necessary.

These are not just words in a book, observation of the world proves that this attitude does prevail.

One simple example: On top of the fact that all European and US taxpayers are now working to pay of the debt of the PRIVATE, zionist owned banks. US alone gives Israel 3 billion dollars of armements each year. The bill for that is also footed by the taxpayer. And who are the majority of those who pay little or no tax?

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by filosophia

 

Yes, but you interpret it through the lens of a particular metaphysical doctrine, do you not???

No, metaphysical doctrines are about as useful as an egg timer. The 'doctrine' is truth. Metaphysically, truth is absolute. I don't adhere to any doctrine.

I too have first hand experiential Gnosis of God.

All people do. But what are we to make of these experiences??

Not all people have experienced it, namely atheists who have not experienced any proof of God so do not believe in a mystical power. What we make of these experiences is up to us, which is why each person has their own view of the truth, sticking with a 1000's year old text is not going to help us in the present day.

reply to post by wcitizen


You are a lunatic.

There is no tractate in the Talmud that advocates lying to Goyim. The text sourced by those websites isnt even a text. This is something anyone who knows anything of the Talmud would know.

Type it in yourself. Find some google pages which have information on the Talmud. I would even suggest you check out pure academic forums which study Jewish writings.

Its not a text, This isnt a "zionist conspiracy". Simple Fact.

reply to post by filosophia

No, metaphysical doctrines are about as useful as an egg timer. The 'doctrine' is truth. Metaphysically, truth is absolute. I don't adhere to any doctrine.

You really like to beat around the bush, dont you???

An experience of a truth always has some practical effect. The practical effect is formulated by how you understand and interpret the experience of Gnosis. This interpretation is what i mean by 'metaphysical'.

All your views for instance are conditioned by some personal philosophy, based on some ontological certainty ie; the truth of Gnosis.

What we make of these experiences is up to us, which is why each person has their own view of the truth, sticking with a 1000's year old text is not going to help us in the present day.

Exactly. Let anyone interpret their experience in whatever way they want. I agree.

This means those "stubborn Jews" who believe both in the upper unity - Gnosis - and the lower unity - this world and their Torah - are One. As in their saying "Shema Yisrael, YHVH Eloheinu, YHVH Echad" stressing the Echaddddd to emphasize the true unity between the two realms.

Opposing the Jews is a little ridiculous. But then again, what if someone believed that opposing and undermining the "demiurge", through subterfuge, is how the "highest god" in Heaven will become revealed in the world. That would be something Purposeful. It would transform the "God image" and bend it to the will of Anthropos - Man.

This is what Christianity is about. Sick thing.

Judaism is sorely misrepresented both by Christianity and the Media, in general. This has happened to all religion, particularly Christianity and Judaism, but, the values of this society we live in lowers the pristine essence of the religion.

The Jew seeks to unify both worlds, and really, how can anyone argue the rationality of this endeavor? What i dislike is the "Let anyone interpret it in any way they like", meaning, let anyone pursue their own path, even making allowance to killers, thieves, rapists, etc, as if their were no qualitative difference in truth between the way ive lived and the way he has lived.

It takes effort to change your ways, and honestly, any person who labors to be a better person is living a more worthy life. People who harm others, conversely, deserve condemnation, and to be shamed, guilted, and so understand the insanity and delusions of their ways.

Shame, and guilt, dont have to be bad things. These emotion too have a holy expression; in acknowledgement of personal fault, and lackings. Its humbling. It acknowledges your humanity; that we make mistakes, that we are imperfect. This is what the Hebrew word for Sin suggests; "Chet" - sin, also means "to miss the mark". Thats all it is. If we allow ourselves to say something derogative, or cruel, or libelous to or about another person, or if we harm another person in some unjust way, acknowledge it. Fix your character traits, because when you do so, you change your soul.

The soul is not a thing to be neglected, as certain philosophys neglect it. The essence, indeed, is beyond impairment, but the soul, which is the "clothing" of the essence, the ammalgamation of a life of experiences, provides pleasure to the soul in its afterlife.

The pleasure results from the GOOD that the soul did. The soul is BLESSED and REWARDED, because this is the inner will of the Infinite God; that those creatures who do good be rewarded with good. And that Good be the essence, and way of the Earth.

People with your philosophy, neglect the world, and so leave the world in disrepair, as if it were perfect, when in truth its nature could be transformed through human effort, and brought up to the world above.

Thus, there is indeed a selfishness, and egotism, in gnostic philosophy, to insist that everything in this world be good. That judgement is bad.

And you wonder why everything revolves around the Jews??? Poor people. But also, what a lucky people! To be chosen to represent the will of the one true God on earth, to be the protaganist in His story of creation, where His ultimate glory is revealed to all, so all may see, both big and small, how utterly inconsequentual each of us are in His magnificent presence. And how the nullification of our will and desire to His Will is our ultimate purpose in this world. And to think little, or be adverse to this is frankly inane. What else could it be but good? Complaining and saying its evil is akin to a child complaining when his mother takes the knife out of his hand. Child doesnt know any better

Lies from racist sources removed. See this website for more details.

That would be something Purposeful. It would transform the "God image" and bend it to the will of Anthropos - Man.

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children built. 6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do; and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

A German midieval depiction of the tower of Babel.

Look at the explicit imagery. Anthropos - Jesus Christ, peering through the heveans (ie; the demiurge) guiding the work of the builders of the Tower...Its also strange that all of them have redy hair... "The first to come out was red, and his whole body was like a hairy garment; so they named him Esau" "Esau, he is Edom" (Rome ie; Christianity). Red is WAR, on the demiurge. On one side they bring up a bolder (physicality), and the other side a basket (for knowledge), both being integral to their dethroning of the Jewish God, or "demiurgix principle"...


And the Midieval persecution of the Jews was merely "coincidence".... Nope. Theres always been a deeper metaphysical basis for the way the Jews have been treated.

reply to post by wcitizen


You know what, i think you do this professionally.

I dont have time for this.

reply to post by wcitizen


These are all known fabrications and misquotes, why do you push this nonsense? Are you really that ignorant?