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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by undo
i think he was wrong about that as yahweh is just a later spelling of jehovah.
Other way around, Jehovah was a later spelling of the "YHWH" tetragrammaton of the OT.
There are no "J" letters or J phonetic sounds in Hebrew.
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by undo
i think he was wrong about that as yahweh is just a later spelling of jehovah.
Other way around, Jehovah was a later spelling of the "YHWH" tetragrammaton of the OT.
There are no "J" letters or J phonetic sounds in Hebrew.
thanks for the correction! i knew it was one or the other, anyway, i wanted to be sure i circumvented the attempt of anyone saying that yahweh and jehovah were different, cause they aren't, however the etymology of his name is reallllllllly interesting.
ever read anything by michael heiser?
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No he didn't. He cherry-picked a few random verses without any context to push an agenda.
Please explain, specifically, where I cherry-picked these random verses rather than just used them to illustrate the point I was making.
There are many passages in the Old Testament that describe the so-called 'God' telling the Jews to massacre cities, towns and villages - are you denying that?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Logman
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
They were polytheistic Canaanites, according to the Torah, which is a book edited for a thousand years since the first book for written (which was not Genesis 1). They worshipped one of many Canaanite gods.
Yes, they were when God first spoke to Abraham. My point, was that when Abraham became the first Hebrew, he was worshiping the One True God, and had been for 18 years. He became the first Hebrew at his circumcision. So you're incorrect, the first "Hebrews" were monotheists. Idolatry and Paganism entered later, much later.
Idolatry and Paganism appeared long after the initial Exodus, even according to the Bible.
Yes, true. And God was severe in punishing His "chosen people" for said idolatry.
There is no archaelogical evidence for mass slavery in Egypy, let alone the enslavement of a whole race. Of course there was some slavery though.
Completely false. Because no one wants to talk about the evidence, doesn't mean there is no evidence.
"The Exodus Decoded" ~ James Cameron
"Mountain of Fire" ~ The Search for the Real Mt. Sinai
Jesus, if he existed was not God. He never said he was God. The Council of Nicea was convened to discuss his divinity, at which time it was decided Jesus was divine. He has also been dead for 2,000 years.
He was killed because He claimed to be God. The title "Son of Man" was taken directly from Daniel 9 where a man has the attributes of God. His title "Emmanuel" means God with us. He took His life back up again after death proving He was God. And the tomb is empty, it has been for 1,980 years. It would be kinda hard for Christianity to make it off the ground in Jerusalem 1,980 years ago if everyone could just walk outside the city walls and see the tomb with the stone still intact don't ya think?
And no, don't get your theology and church history from Dan Brown books. The Nicean council was convened to address the Aryan controversey. His divinity was already long accepted, the council didn't "make" Jesus divine, but they defined His divinity. Also the books of the Bible wasn't even a topic of discussion.
Oh yeah, and Constantine didn't have a vote.
Understood. Which is why I don't debate Christians or Politicians. Nothing I say will change anyone's mind but it can be fun debating people purely on their own beliefs and merits. Nothing I've said is untrue, it all comes from the Torah. We need look know further to discover the real Truth.
No, it's a gross misunderstanding of the Torah. You've said quite a few things untrue so far, (several in this post alone), that's why I've been setting the record straight. It's not for my health.
edit on 16-7-2011 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JonU2
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So, you're saying that your God cannot be questioned?
Whatever he has done or will do, in your belief, is divine and, therefore, humans should just accept that?
If the above is true, then you're only really here to preach and not to discuss...............
the law is the accuser. and the accuser is satan.
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I would think the Muslims would be pleased to show the authenticity of the OT. Unless the Mt. Sinai thing is in dispute, much like who was the true succesor of the covenent, Isaac or Ishmael.
Originally posted by undo
reply to post by NOTurTypical
yeah that's what i said.
my favorite is romans 7-8 this one in particular says the same thing
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
reply to post by undo
you wouldn't be able to rise above your condition and accept the light of salvation if you didn't know you needed it, and the only way you know you need it is if you recognize evil and you can only recognize evil when it's pointed out to you or mom spanks ya on the buttskis. it's pretty philosophically
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by JonU2
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So, you're saying that your God cannot be questioned?
I'll refer to Job 38 for this.
Whatever he has done or will do, in your belief, is divine and, therefore, humans should just accept that?
I recognize His sovereignty.
If the above is true, then you're only really here to preach and not to discuss...............
I could counter that based on the OP's grossly incomplete representation of the attributes described for God in the Bible that you're here for the same reason. You've cherry-picked God's attributed as their presented in the Bible. You've ignored His sovereignty, His justice, His mercy, His holiness, and His righteousness and only concentrated on His wrath for rebellion and disobedience.
So, yes, you're here to preach...................